The Kaveri Pre-Launch Thread (A10-7800 and A10-6800k @3,5 Ghz)

[monstercameron]

some power numbers just in http://foro.noticias3d.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=421821&p=5036332&viewfull=1#post5036332
seem impressive

 

[witeken]

I already posted that Anand measured thoses chips at 83W or so ,
not exactly what one would call mobile.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/20

Anand praises the power consumption.

 

[monstercameron]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/20

Anand praises the power consumption.

Anand praises anything intel your point?

 

[Abwx]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/20

Anand praises the power consumption.

Anand s praises wont change the fact that he measured it at 83W.

 

[Abwx]

some power numbers just in http://foro.noticias3d.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=421821&p=5036332&viewfull=1#post5036332
seem impressive

Nice numbers , encoding show a decent CPU efficency
improvement , moreover when we know that it has 20%
better IPC in this very task.

 

[monstercameron]

Nice numbers , encoding show a decent CPU efficency
improvement , moreover when we know that it has 20%
better IPC in this very task.

the OC numbers are a little troubling, that is a large rise for such a small OC.

 

[Galatian]

We have seen no power graph associated with ocl benches,
that s just arguments pulled out of thin air , indeed that is
i5 when looking at ocl and i3 when looking at the prices curves...



I already posted that Anand measured thoses chips at 83W or so ,
not exactly what one would call mobile.

I'm sorry your just making a fool out of yourself. What exactly are you pointing out? It seems to me your compare power consumption to thermal dissipation? The Iris 5200 Pro might draw 85 power, but that doesn't mean is dissipating that much heat. You're trying to tell me the 15" rMBP is not a mobile?

 

[Abwx]

the OC numbers are a little troubling, that is a large rise for such a small OC.

On Hitman that s 53% more TDP for 23% more frequency ,
he had to increase voltage by just 12% to reach this TDP number.

Edit : the gpu is also ocked , by 38% so the numbers
as well as GF process are not bad at all.

 

[Abwx]

I'm sorry your just making a fool out of yourself. What exactly are you pointing out? It seems to me your compare power consumption to thermal dissipation? The Iris 5200 Pro might draw 85 power, but that doesn't mean is dissipating that much heat. You're trying to tell me the 15" rMBP is not a mobile?

Undoubtly.

 

[dosmastr]

well if the cold keeps up, I could dig an 83watt pocket heater

 

[dosmastr]

and now to incur some wrath:
Think intel will drop prices once the launch happens?

 

[AtenRa]

Excellent :thumbsup:

 

[grimpr]

2M/4T always competed against dualcore Intels. 1M/2T is born hopeless. 1 FPU etc.

Dualcores with Hyperthreading exactly, means the i3. Dont try again comparing the 4 threaded APUs to Intels low level Celerons and Pentium, it fails.

 

[monstercameron]

Dualcores with Hyperthreading exactly, means the i3. Dont try again comparing the 4 threaded APUs to Intels low level Celerons and Pentium, it fails.

well to be fair single threaded IPC still goes to intel but high relatively high clocked celeron/pentiums

 

[monstercameron]

Excellent :thumbsup:

it has me questioning beema/mullins on glofo or tsmc? or has it been confirmed tsmc?

 

[Centauri]

some power numbers just in http://foro.noticias3d.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=421821&p=5036332&viewfull=1#post5036332
seem impressive

Awesome. I had to disable TC and undervolt my 5800k to get it into that kind of envelope.

 

[AtenRa]

it has me questioning beema/mullins on glofo or tsmc?

From what I have seen so far, I would bet on GloFo. It is strictly made for APUs low power at the highest possible performance.

 

[cbn]

Using Newegg prices are a comparison for pre-built desktops:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...el%20Core%20i3 (Core i3 starts @ $399)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...8-Series%20APU (A8-6500 APU starts @ $479)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0-Series%20APU (A10-6700 APU starts @ $499)

Using the Current Fry's sale for Pre-builts here is what I am coming up with:

http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com...-PC-with-4th-Gen-Intel-Core-i3-4130-Processor (Core i3 for $348)

http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com...80-UR22-Desktop-PC-with-AMD-A8-6500-Processor (A8-6500 for $448)

Now granted the Core i3 systems come with 4GB RAM vs. 8GB for the AMD systems, but that still a pretty big disparity in pricing IMO.

simple so add the cost for 4gb more ram and a dgpu that can outperform [richland]kaveri...

I actually wonder if the $348 Core i3-4130 desktop beats the $448 A8-6500 desktop in some gaming scenarios.....with no added discrete video card....and with 4GB RAM. (re: The A8-6500 quad core is only clocked 3.5 Ghz with 4.1 Ghz turbo and the iGPU has only 256 stream processors).

P.S. I made a mistake on the Newegg pricing for Core i3. It actually starts at $409.99 (The $399.99 desktop had a Core i3-3220T T processor in it)

 

[KompuKare]

I'm sorry your just making a fool out of yourself. What exactly are you pointing out? It seems to me your compare power consumption to thermal dissipation? The Iris 5200 Pro might draw 85 power, but that doesn't mean is dissipating that much heat. You're trying to tell me the 15" rMBP is not a mobile?

Surely that is exactly what it means? Unless Apple are able to magically make the heat disappear...

But, I can't see any mobile chip drawing that much. I measured the maximum draw I cold coax out of old C2D laptop (Thnkpad T400) while stressing the CPU + CD + HDD + RAM charging the battery at 55W. So unless the rMBP was running FurMark while also running Linx AVX2 I can't see it getting anywhere near that. (Having said all that, I didn't see any power figures in that Anand article.)

ATM, Iris Pro is not in competition with Kaveri as it is in totally different price range. Whether that changes with Broadwell is hard to say, but Intel do tend to charge a premium for their large dies. And from a pure transistor/perf point of view I don't really think Iris Pro is that spectacular. Intel's process node advantage allows them to try these brute-force approaches with a huge die but that doesn't mean it's a great design.

 

[monstercameron]

I actually wonder if the $348 Core i3-4130 desktop beats the $448 A8-6500 desktop in some gaming scenarios.....with no added discrete video card....and with 4GB RAM. (re: The A8-6500 quad core is only clocked 3.5 Ghz with 4.1 Ghz turbo and the iGPU has only 256 stream processors).

P.S. I made a mistake on the Newegg pricing for Core i3. It actually starts at $409.99 (The $399.99 desktop had a Core i3-3220T T processor in it)

intels hd igp has some merits, I am sure it does in a few cases.

 

[Homeles]

Anand praises anything intel your point?

If AMD had anything worth praise, he'd probably give it to them as well.

In fact, I do recall him liking Phenom II quite a lot.

"AMD Phenom II X4 940 & 920: A True Return to Competition"

Sounds like Intel bias to me!

 

[know of fence]

The only ones that pop out as bottlenecks are Crysis Warhead and Saints Row IV. We looking at the same graph?

CPU bottlenecks are the worst, they tend to directly translate to visible stutter. They don't have to pop out, just seeing a difference in avg.FPS means the CPU is the culprit slowing down everything at some point. I count 8 wins for Intel and a generous 3 for AMD, but really only Dirt Showdown.

That said I actually was thinking of the R9 280x, pairing which with Kaveri would be ridiculous. But hey the 270x a 250 dollar video card is quite a reasonable match, if someone absolutely positively needs to have an AMD setup.

 

[Abwx]

On Hitman that s 53% more TDP for 23% more frequency ,
he had to increase voltage by just 12% to reach this TDP number.

Edit : the gpu is also ocked , by 38% so the numbers
as well as GF process are not bad at all.

I quote myself to add that the 5800k toped at 150W on furmark + wprime simultaneously according to hardware.fr , well belows the 200W mark on this review , unless the CPU is ocked it point to an inefficient plateform so we could well see much better numbers tomorrow..

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/878-12/moyenne-gpu-consommation-overclocking.html

 

[parvadomus]

Amazing power numbers AMD y you dont update ur 8-core!!

 

[Erenhardt]

Can someone paste power numbers here. Looks like my region is banned from that forum.