K is usually 95 watts.What's the difference between a Kaveri-K edition and non-K edition?
It could be, but I'd be severely disappointed if it was. AMD should be improving their clock speeds with FDSOI, not regressing.Are you guys sure that 28SHP is not 28FD? http://i.imgur.com/u6fbE3d.png
It could be Bulk for the GPU, PHYs, etc and FD-SOI for the CPUs, SRAM, etc. Explaining the whole it is perfect for the APU.
SHP is SOI (custom(A custom SOI implementation)) moniker.
LPH is built for high-end SoCs but it is from Samsung.
HPP is built for best perf/watt but it
28 HPP should be ~1.8 Billion
28 LPH should be ~1.9 Billion
28 FDSOI should be ~2.2 Billion
^-- Transistors in 245 mm², VLIW4 is less dense than GCN so the number should be off a bit.
28 HPP (0.5 Node from 32nm) -> 28 LPH (0.55 Node from 32nm) -> 28 FD (0.5 Node above Bulk 20nm)
Are you guys sure that 28SHP is not 28FD? http://i.imgur.com/u6fbE3d.png
It could be Bulk for the GPU, PHYs, etc and FD-SOI for the CPUs, SRAM, etc. Explaining the whole it is perfect for the APU.
SHP is SOI (custom(A custom SOI implementation)) moniker.
LPH is built for high-end SoCs but it is from Samsung.
HPP is built for best perf/watt but it
28 HPP should be ~1.8 Billion
28 LPH should be ~1.9 Billion
28 FDSOI should be ~2.2 Billion
^-- Transistors in 245 mm², VLIW4 is less dense than GCN so the number should be off a bit.
28 HPP (0.5 Node from 32nm) -> 28 LPH (0.55 Node from 32nm) -> 28 FD (0.5 Node above Bulk 20nm)
What are you meaning? Bulk and soi on the same die???
$173, thats ~22% more expensive than the fastest Richland and definitely on par with entry-level quad-core Haswells (3.0-3.2GHz).
Or you can sell the key and practically pay 55 bucks less for 7850?
Kaveri is now above i3 in price, yet CPU wise it cant really compete. And as you said, its now in the i5 4440 area.
22% higher price looks like a desperate attempt. Because the chip certainly doesnt deliver that value.
The big chip also demenstrates that AMD still got plenty of WSA wafer to throw away on close to nothing.
It is smaller than Trinity.
A10 Richland's are also bad value as it is repeatedly claimed on this forum. The shipment figures suggest otherwise, all this despite being into a declining market and being "poor value".
No, it isn't it is smaller by 1! mm²!!!!Its the same size really. 245 vs 246.
What about all the rest? Thats A10 models only. And they discontinue other lines. Not to mention the A10 line got expanded model wise.
What about all the rest? Thats A10 models only. And they discontinue other lines. Not to mention the A10 line got expanded model wise. 4 out of 13 was A10 with Richland. With Trinity it was 3 out of 15 on the FM2 socket.
I only said A10's and that is what I have provided. You would have to ask AMD about the rest or hope they also made slides about them and someone posts it.
What lines were discontinued which were not replaced by a successor?
I count only 10 Trinity desktop APU's including the B models and the A4 4000, but excluding Athlons and FirePros's.
I also only count 10 Richland desktop APU's (no B model Richland's were released), excluding the Athlons. There is only 1 extra Richland A10 part compared to Trinity.
Density is crazy high though. 245mm^2 and 2.4B transistor is quite a feat.
Since integer execution is greatly improved let's hope the FP side of things gets similar boost with Carrizo. If it does they don't need more than 4 cores configuration on desktop. 6 would be nice (3 module) but it's not really necessary. The biggest Kaveri's problem is lack of memory BW for the big GPU on-die, it's a shame stacked memory is not coming sooner.
22% higher price looks like a desperate attempt. Because the chip certainly doesnt deliver that value. I wonder how much the extra need to borrow 500m$ and the delayed 200m$ WSA payment have affected this. The big chip also demenstrates that AMD still got plenty of WSA wafer to throw away on close to nothing.
Kaveri is now above i3 in price, yet CPU wise it cant really compete. And as you said, its now in the i5 4440 area.
The density is not really that high. A 2.8B transistor Pitcairn is 212mm2. Its just natural when all you add is more GPU.
You need to look at all models for the product mix, also those without IGP. Else its simply a natural replacement. From Trinity to Richland there was a 4th A10 as well.
The Athlon's are salvaged APU's, they may use the same socket but it would be the equivalent of me bundling in the FX series into the product mix, as they are CPU only parts.
The FirePro's I am also not including as they are a different brand. They do have a spec that matches the A10 Trinity parts though :whiste:.
I said 6 would be nice. But with native 256bit pipelines in Carizo it will just blast SR core in AVX/FMA stuff so workloads that were running better on intel before will see major shrinkage of the gap with Excavator. Intel will probably still have a lead but 4C Carizo will be more rounded product with lower TDP and way better perf/watt. If it was to clock good then it would do solid in 2015.Roadmaps _still_ show no 3M/6T. Kaveris biggest problem is _still_ its poor CPU performance.
The density is not really that high. A 2.8B transistor Pitcairn is 212mm2. Its just natural when all you add is more GPU.
Density is crazy high though. 245mm^2 and 2.4B transistor is quite a feat.
How much i see no comment on this, but there should certainly be some good comments "because there is question of tiny 600mhz higher defoult CPU frequency+Higher IPC under 45W TDP".
- Richland APU A10-6700T, 2.5ghz/3.5ghz Turbo Core/384 VLIW4 Radeon Cores, 45W TDP
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A10-Series A10-6700T.html
- Kaveri APU A8-7600, 3.1ghz/3.3ghz Turbo Core/384 GCN Radeon Cores, 45W TDP
That even higher density than Intel's 22 nm process! :awe:
Intel 4770K is 1.4B transistors on 177mm^2. So it's:
Intel 22 nm: 1.4B/177mm^2=7.91M/mm^2
GloFo/AMD 28 nm: 2.4B/245mm^2=9.80M/mm^2
And yet it's 22 nm vs 28 nm. Do those nm numbers actually mean anything anymore?