The Kaveri Pre-Launch Thread (A10-7800 and A10-6800k @3,5 Ghz)

[norseamd]

why not just shut down the fab

 

[NostaSeronx]

why not just shut down the fab

AMD and GlobalFoundries are separate corporate entities. Both are tied down by a contract but it seems GlobalFoundries is the one that benefits.

GlobalFoundries must provide a node every cyclical generation to AMD. AMD must make a chip on that node every generation. If GlobalFoundries can't release that node in time, well AMD has to lag its roadmap.

 

[Hitman928]

Not to mention the company that owns GF also has a large stake in AMD now. The wafer agreement was great for AMD at first as they had the volume they needed and I believe they only paid for working chips for the first 2-3 years but it has really come back to bite them, if they don't order a certain number of wafers every year they have to pay a very large fee to GF regardless. This especially hurts as GF's processes up to this point have been behind the competition by a significant amount.

 

[norseamd]

AMD and GlobalFoundries are separate corporate entities.

i thought amd used to own global foundries. i meant before they spun it off.

does global foundries not have any requirements on their end? if they can not get the new process node up and running why can amd not break the agrrement or go somewhere else?

 

[DaZeeMan]

AMD Q4 earnings estimates:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/197422607/AMD-Earnings-Estimates-for-Q4-2013

 

[DaZeeMan]

Nothing new that I sawhttp://translate.google.com/transla...7850k-procesor-kaveri-premiera-zapowiedz.html in this article, but the Google translated headline was kinda funny...

Prime Minister AMD Kaveri Buttoned The Last Button

http://translate.google.com/transla...7850k-procesor-kaveri-premiera-zapowiedz.html

http://www.benchmark.pl/aktualnosci/amd-a8-7700k-a10-7850k-procesor-kaveri-premiera-zapowiedz.html

 

[avtek21]

The Baidu preview of the AMD Kaveri mentioned that software drivers would be forthcoming to unlock the performance and the latest info indicates how much. Previous Musemage image manipulation bench of Kaveri and A10-6800 was basically tied at around 5300.

Now with update the performance is boosted by 30%-40% to 7529!

http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-a10-...g-pictured-bios-update-fm2-boards-compulsory/

 

[ShintaiDK]

The Baidu preview of the AMD Kaveri mentioned that software drivers would be forthcoming to unlock the performance and the latest info indicates how much. Previous Musemage image manipulation bench of Kaveri and A10-6800 was basically tied at around 5300.

Now with update the performance is boosted by 30%-40% to 7529!

http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-a10-...g-pictured-bios-update-fm2-boards-compulsory/

So Iris Pro is faster. Ouch.

 

[mrmt]

does global foundries not have any requirements on their end? if they can not get the new process node up and running why can amd not break the agrrement or go somewhere else?

No, they don't use GLF by their own will. When AMD spun off their fabs to Globalfoundries, fabs, they didn't have the capacity to maintain, they got a lump sum payment and also sent some of their debt to the new entity. In exchange they were bound to Globalfoundries until 2024.

Circa 2011/2012 they were declaring that they wanted to reduce their dependence on the subpar foundry and my guess is that they were trying to exchange their ownership share of Globalfoundries for that, but then the Bulldozer disaster struck on and AMD was wiped out in servers and couldn't gain traction in mobile, and here we are.

 

[USER8000]

So Iris Pro is faster. Ouch.

Not really unless you got some new info you can share. When an Iris Pro based Core i3 is exactly the same price as the Kaveri based CPUs then maybe.

Perhaps you want to show us the socketed Core i5 R series CPUs for desktop?? Or even the DIY soldiered motherboards which we can buy??

I am not seeing any,and how much will they cost?

I have been looking for them for months in the UK or even at German and French retailers which. I can only see a version of the Brix with half the eDRAM of the one Anandtech tested and it looks like it will be expensive. It will be close to £400 for the Core i5 with taxes and that is without memory or storage too,which will add another £100. So at least £500. It looks like the CPU on the cheapest version will be the Core i5 4570R with only 2/3 the L3 cache of the Core i7 4950Q,no HT and lower clockspeeds(2.7GHZ to 3.2GHZ) and only 64MB of eDRAM instead of 128MB.

Have you got some insider information from Intel you want to share??

I am looking for forward to the GT3e version of the Core i3 4330.

It would make a good secondary system to my main system with a low power Xeon E3.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I can only see a version of the Brix with half the eDRAM of the one Anandtech tested and it looks like it will be expensive.

All Iris Pro got 128MB. And its 4 times more than actually needed.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7399/...review-iris-pro-driving-an-accurate-display/3

Broadwell expands the Iris Pro line. And Kaveri will have to face that in the mobile segment.

 

[itsmydamnation]

So Iris Pro is faster. Ouch.

i wouldn't assume anything, it does support quad channel so who knows in the mobile space. But your bastian of level and fair judgement :thumbsup:

All Iris Pro got 128MB. And its 4 times more than actually needed.

what does this mean and base on what? it is in effect an eviction cache/ bandwidth multi. how do you know it would get the same bandwidth mutli effect @ 32mb?

 

[ShintaiDK]

i wouldn't assume anything, it does support quad channel so who knows in the mobile space. But your bastian of level and fair judgement :thumbsup:

Evidence please. And not draw from guesswork thank you.

 

[USER8000]

All Iris Pro got 128MB. And its 4 times more than actually needed.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7399/...review-iris-pro-driving-an-accurate-display/3

The Brix has 64MB:

http://techreport.com/news/25866/gigabyte-brix-pro-mini-pc-has-quad-core-haswell-with-gt3e-graphics

Broadwell expands the Iris Pro line. And Kaveri will have to face that in the mobile segment.

So I can buy socketed and/or soldiered DIY Broadwell motherboards with a Core i3 with GT3e soon! I assume in the next month or so?? Awesome.

You know how much they will cost?

Looks like my mini-box running a Zotac 9300 ITX motherboard is being replaced soon.

Plus Gigabyte are stupid for releasing the Brix now since Haswell is going to be replaced so soon with Broadwell equivalents.

They really should have got off their arses quicker,as they cannot keep doing this. They might end up releasing the Broadwell update when Skylake will appear in mere months.

Why are OEMs so slow?? They take months to release systems after certain CPUs are launched. Its annoying.

 

[NTMBK]

All Iris Pro got 128MB. And its 4 times more than actually needed.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7399/...review-iris-pro-driving-an-accurate-display/3

Broadwell expands the Iris Pro line. And Kaveri will have to face that in the mobile segment.

Actually, it seems that the Brix Pro has 64MB eDRAM.

One of the interesting aspects in the press release was the reference to 64 MB of eDRAM on the Iris Pro HD 5200. Anand's testing of the i7-4950HQ estimated the amount of eDRAM to be around 128 MB as per Intel's specifications. However, Gigabyte continues to hold on to the 64 MB eDRAM number for the i7-4770R and the i5-4570R even after a request for comment was sent. This is one additional aspect that we would like to evaluate in our second part of the review.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7648/gigabyte-brix-pro/5

Odd, but as you say 128MB was overkill for Haswell anyway. Maybe halving the cache size will help lower costs.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Evidence please. And not draw from guesswork thank you.

there are multipule, the die shot ( unless you think DDR3 interfaces have magically changed). or the fact that its stated that FM2 its using memory channels DCT 0 and 3 enabled.


But how about you answer my question!!!!!!! :whiste::whiste::whiste:


edit: also look at PS4 die shot from chip works..... the memory phy looks very similar........

edit2:

http://linux-kernel.2935.n7.nabble....ecoding-for-newer-Fam15h-models-td696358.html

In reply to this post by Aravind Gopalakrishnan
Adding support for handling ECC error decoding for new F15 models.
On newer models, support has been included for upto 4 DCT's,
however, only DCT0 and DCT3 are currently configured. (Refer BKDG Section 2.10)
There is also a new "Routing DRAM Requests" algorithm for this model.

Tested on Fam15h M30h with ECC turned on using mce_amd_inj facility and
verified to be functionally correct.

 

[el etro]

there are multipule, the die shot ( unless you think DDR3 interfaces have magically changed). or the fact that its stated that FM2 its using memory channels DCT 0 and 3 enabled.


But how about you answer my question!!!!!!! :whiste::whiste::whiste:


edit: also look at PS4 die shot from chip works..... the memory phy looks very similar........

edit2:

http://linux-kernel.2935.n7.nabble....ecoding-for-newer-Fam15h-models-td696358.html

This is real. Only thing that i don't know is if these two extra channels of memory controller can be enabled.

 

[itsmydamnation]

well this is a pure guess but they need a new chipset for quad channel and they know that against iris pro in the mobile space dual channel isn't sufficient, then launching on desktop on FM2 first makes sense from a time to market perspective.

 

[SPBHM]

well this is a pure guess but they need a new chipset for quad channel and they know that against iris pro in the mobile space dual channel isn't sufficient, then launching on desktop on FM2 first makes sense from a time to market perspective.

they only need a new "socket", but they could easily sell a BGA version, using GDDR5 (if the memory controller have indeed support for that) soldered on the motherboard, for laptops and mitx mbs, like Intel did with GT3 (the BGA only, not the memory part)

 

[mrmt]

Not really unless you got some new info you can share. When an Iris Pro based Core i3 is exactly the same price as the Kaveri based CPUs then maybe.

Iris pro and Kaveri aren't really desktop products, but mobile products. Those chips are all about cramming a given balance between CPU and GPU power in a small space and TDP constrained environment. That AMD is selling these chips first on the desktop just says that they are not able to sell them in the mobile market, or at least that GLF new "super" high performance process is not ready for prime on the mobile market.

If you are not TDP/space constrained like in mobile, why bother with APU for desktops? It won't save you enough money for more than two pizzas and won't give you the performance you can have by going discrete.

This scenario is likely to change in a few years down the road with stacked memory and smaller nodes, but until then...

 

[mikk]

The Brix has 64MB:

http://techreport.com/news/25866/gigabyte-brix-pro-mini-pc-has-quad-core-haswell-with-gt3e-graphics

And still faster in 3dmark Firestrike than the 128MB mobile variants. Intel admitted 64MB would be enough. Are 64MB confirmed somewhere from Intel/Gigabyte?

 

[monstercameron]

bought the board and ddr3-2400 cant wait to pick up kaveri! i feel mobile will definitely have quad channel...

 

[sniffin]

So Iris Pro is faster. Ouch.

lol Iris Pro. You can't even buy them in my country, and from the few international stores I've seen they are up to $300 more expensive than APUs.

If Intels gpu architecture was any good at all it'd wipe the floor with Kaveri with it's on die memory, but it's not. As soon as AMD get more bandwidth (stacked memory or even just enabling the two extra controllers) it won't even be close.

Intel are half a decade behind Kepler and GCN. Always cracks me up how much you guys talk up Intel graphics. It's nothing but a terrible architecture thats constantly being doubled up thanks to Intel's huge process advantage

 

[USER8000]

The only Core i5 4570R Firestrike score I can find is here:

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/491...ell-generation-specifications-and-performance

The score is under 1400 which is lower than the Core i7 4950Q Anandtech tested:

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6993/55307.png

It looks like the Core i5 4570R is slower overall in most games than the Core i7 4950Q:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7399/...review-iris-pro-driving-an-accurate-display/3

 

[monstercameron]

lol Iris Pro. You can't even buy them in my country, and from the few international stores I've seen they are up to $300 more expensive than APUs.

If Intels gpu architecture was any good at all it'd wipe the floor with Kaveri with it's on die memory, but it's not. As soon as AMD get more bandwidth (stacked memory or even just enabling the two extra controllers) it won't even be close.

Intel are half a decade behind Kepler and GCN. Always cracks me up how much you guys talk up Intel graphics. It's nothing but a terrible architecture thats constantly being doubled up thanks to Intel's huge process advantage

same could be said for amd or nvidia, they scale their cus up with new manu. process. Iris pro is just good.