The King is Dead, Long Live The King

mwmorph

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It's official: F1 is broken. At least, with the FOTA's announcement it will create a rival championship, it appears that F1 as we have known it is all but broken. Max Mosley and the FIA have gone back and forth with the FOTA for months, with neither side able to agree on a compromise and both sides claiming the other party is being intransigent.

After meeting at Renault's Enstone, England headquarters the eight "rebel" teams (Ferrari, McLaren, Toyota, Renault, BMW, Brawn, Red Bull, Toro Rosso) decided there was no way to proceed with the FIA, so it would proceed without the FIA. The crucial bits of their follow-up press release state:

"The teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 World Championship.

"These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new Championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners. This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders.

"The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series."

The release goes on to address issues the FOTA has with the "commercial rights holder," by which they mean Bernie Ecclestone. If they mean what they've written, a more stable and less expensive F1 would be a victory for teams and fans. Track owners would probably also profit, since they pay Ecclestone more than ten million pounds simply for the right to hold an F1 race -- and that's part of the money the teams want a bigger share of.

Many observers have said the teams won't set up another championship because they're too focused on selling cars. But the FOTA has already spoken to Carmelo Ezpeleta, whose Dorna Sports company is in charge of Moto GP, and who has experience in taking control of the series from the FIM. If he can provide a turn-key solution, the teams can stick to doing what they do best.

We suspect the FOTA is correct and that brands, sponsors and promoters will follow the breakaway series rather than hang back with Williams, Force India and eight other teams in the F1 reset series. The question is: if those eight teams follow through, and assuming they take their contracted drivers, which series will get your attention next year?

For now, though, bring on the lawyers. Thanks to all who tipped in.

Source: Autosport

My prediction is Williams will dominate F1 in 2010 because they're 1 of 2 teams left that actually built F1 cars in the last few years, problem is no one will care when Räikkönen, Hamilton, Button, Massa, and all the sponsors, constructors and other drivers are gone.
 

LTC8K6

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Well, F1 racing has been pretty poor for a long time now. So let's wait and see what the changes bring. Or what the pressure produces, perhaps.

 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Well, F1 racing has been pretty poor for a long time now. So let's wait and see what the changes bring. Or what the pressure produces, perhaps.

The championship last season was one of the best in recent history.

This is a sad day for the future of F1 IMO. This is the CART/IRL debacle all over again x100.
 

LTC8K6

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The championship last season was one of the best in history.

Well, that's why they are called opinions.

F1 hasn't been exciting in a long time to me, and I was a huge fan.

Bring back the high tech anything goes cars and Ayrton Senna and Nigel Mansell and those screaming BMW 4 cylinder turbos...and passing...and that cutting edge...

It's supposed to be the tip top, so why worry about the costs so much?

It just hasn't had that excitement and anticipation for me in a long time.

It was way more fun when an engine exploded every once in a while.

 

ElFenix

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doesn't frank williams have practically all the good drivers under contract?
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: ElFenix
doesn't frank williams have practically all the good drivers under contract?

That's Sir Frank Williams to you.

and no, he doesn't. over the years, he has had some of the greats, tho.

Senna was the best...
 

KingstonU

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I have been following the sport closely since 2004 and I would say 2007 season was the best ever and 2006 and 2008 was great as well while 2009 so far flips the whole thing on it's head where the bigger the teams seemed to have been in the past, have fallen the hardest.

I follow Kimi and Hamilton very closely, Fernando seems like an a$$h*le, and now Button is in the limelight out of nowhere, but I think he's always deserved it but never had the car to prove his capabilities. Kubica also seems like a great driver though BMW hasn't gotten their car up to pace this season so far.
 

LTC8K6

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I think this season has answered the age old question of whether it's the driver or the car.

Most of the time, it's the car.

Very few drivers are able to take a mediocre car and do anything with it. Alonso and Schumacher have done so a few times, of recent drivers, and I would have to say Vettel did so earlier this year.

Most drivers can take a superior car to the front. Button's car was a little off this week and he couldn't get anywhere with it.

Vettel and Webber had superior cars and they were 1 and 2.

Massa probably overachieved a bit this week as well.

Hamilton can't do anything at all with the mediocre McLaren.

For most drivers, if the car isn't superior, their performance will not be superior.

Few drivers are good enough to drag their poor performing car up to where it really should not be in the standings at the end of a race.
 
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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I think this season has answered the age old question of whether it's the driver or the car.

Most of the time, it's the car.

Very few drivers are able to take a mediocre car and do anything with it. Alonso and Schumacher have done so a few times, of recent drivers, and I would have to say Vettel did so earlier this year.

Most drivers can take a superior car to the front. Button's car was a little off this week and he couldn't get anywhere with it.

Vettel and Webber had superior cars and they were 1 and 2.

Massa probably overachieved a bit this week as well.

Hamilton can't do anything at all with the mediocre McLaren.

For most drivers, if the car isn't superior, their performance will not be superior.

Few drivers are good enough to drag their poor performing car up to where it really should not be in the standings at the end of a race.

it's always been 60% car, 40% driver. that is the unofficial ratio the sport has intended for decades, because it is a team sport.
 

LTC8K6

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it's always been 60% car, 40% driver. that is the unofficial ratio the sport has intended for decades, because it is a team sport.

Never heard of any such ratio in my life.
 

mk52

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Well then how do you explain Alonso beating Piquet in nearly every race and in every qualify despite the same car.
How come Button won 6 out of 8 races and Barricello has never been able to match his speed despite the same car.

While the car is still one of the deciding factors, it's the driver that has to actually win.
The fact that each team has 2 cars really shows you the quality of a driver.
 

randay

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Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
I think they should call it "Formula Ultimate". I'd buy a shirt with a big "FU" on it.

Formula Ultimate Championship Racing?
 
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