The Last of Us

[exdeath]

I have a Paradigm setup with a Velodyne sub. If I turn the volume way up...like louder than I watch movies even, I don't have an issue with maximum dynamic range. Is that how it's really supposed to be?

Mmmmm Velodyne yumness.

I had a pair of Velodyne HGS-15s in conjunction with Definitive BP3000TL fronts.

Needless to say it was overkill.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Mmmmm Velodyne yumness.

I had a pair of Velodyne HGS-15s in conjunction with Definitive BP3000TL fronts.

Needless to say it was overkill.

Lol...I don't have the room for that. I have an eq-12 sub that I got from a local shop as a floor model. It was used as a demo unit for a bit before I grabbed it. At the same store they were demoing a digital drive plus 18 sub with the 3,000 watt amp. I could not believe that thing. But at $3500 it was way beyond what I am willing to spend on a sub.

I messed a bit with the levels last night and think I found a happy spot for using maximum dynamic range.

 

[purbeast0]

Lol...I don't have the room for that. I have an eq-12 sub that I got from a local shop as a floor model. It was used as a demo unit for a bit before I grabbed it. At the same store they were demoing a digital drive plus 18 sub with the 3,000 watt amp. I could not believe that thing. But at $3500 it was way beyond what I am willing to spend on a sub.

I messed a bit with the levels last night and think I found a happy spot for using maximum dynamic range.

based on what you said your setup consists of, and based off of anubis' quick breakdown, i'd say yours is in the 2nd level that he recommends where he suggested to keep it at normal. he definitely knows his stuff about audio. but in the end, just set it to what sounds best for you.

to me, if i was fighting with settings to get the maximum to sound good, i'd just keep it set at normal if that sounds good without having to change a buncha settings around. changing the other settings around may screw it up for movies or other things, since you said that you were having to turn the game up much louder than movies.

 

[Anubis]

the main difference that i expect in those top 2 groups the design of the speakers themselfs.

CMDrdred has nice stuff but i beleive ist less efficent then what beast and I own which is prob where that max setting becomes most notibily different. Speakers designed for high efficency and high dynamic range

Paradigms are nice which ones do you have?


playing this was the first time i noticed any issues with my setup and running phantom center. im gonna have to build another speaker.

also ambiant noise and all of that will play a lot into what subtle things get heard at lower volumes

 

[ghost recon88]

Just finished the game last night on "hard" difficulty. Gotta say I was a little disappointed in the M16 to be honest, found myself constantly resorting back to my upgraded shotgun and flamethrower.

Overall though, easily one of the best games I've played. The cut scenes and voice acting was well done, and the story was actually good unlike most 3rd person action games these days. Debating going through and re-playing it on the insane mode, maybe I'll wait a few weeks before trying. Kinda sucks that weapons don't carry over, only the upgrades and skills do

 

[lilrayray69]

I still don't see bloody footprints when I walk through a pool of blood, does anyone else?

I'm playin on Hard and kinda wish I had done so the first time around. I find myself using stealth and the bow a lot more. I have a guide to get all the collectibles but I still somehow missed one already, and missed some of Ellie's jokes - so I'll have to go back again! There are a lot of collectibles

One of my favorite parts of this game is when:

Spoiler

You are playing as Ellie and meet David, and he talks to you about how some guy and girl, obviously meaning Joel and Ellie, had gone around murdering tons of people like psychopaths or something. I liked that a lot because even in these games where you're supposed to be the "Hero", like Uncharted or Tomb Raider or Far Cry - or any shooter game mostly - the fact is you're going around murdering tons of people. So I like how in the game they acknowledge that, and how to the other side it looks like you're a couple of psychopaths leaving dead bodies in your wake across the country.

 

[cmdrdredd]

based on what you said your setup consists of, and based off of anubis' quick breakdown, i'd say yours is in the 2nd level that he recommends where he suggested to keep it at normal. he definitely knows his stuff about audio. but in the end, just set it to what sounds best for you.

to me, if i was fighting with settings to get the maximum to sound good, i'd just keep it set at normal if that sounds good without having to change a buncha settings around. changing the other settings around may screw it up for movies or other things, since you said that you were having to turn the game up much louder than movies.

True...when I get home I'll test it out with some blu-rays and demo tracks and see if it is detrimental. I suppose if I had a room set up for better acoustics (I know I have some sound bouncing out of the corners etc) it would make a bigger difference. It isn't like normal sounds bad anyhow, I was just messing around with some settings on a chapter with lots of ambient noise from birds and crickets with running water etc. Then got curious what setup other people are running.

Paradigms are nice which ones do you have?

I have the signature series c3 center, s6 floor speakers and adp-3 surrounds. I think the weakest point of the setup is the receiver, but anyway...I can deal. Until I get a TV for HDMI 2.0 anyway.

 

[lilrayray69]

I was thinkin about the ending some and some parts just don't make sense to me. Guess these are all spoilers...are there still people who haven't beaten it!?

Spoiler

I'd never thought of Joel as the bad guy, even after the end. But I was watching IGNs "spoilercast" or whatever and they were all like "I can't believe Joel was the bad guy!!". I never saw it like that. In the game, when you're trying to revive Ellie from the near-drowning, the two soldier guys come up and knock you out with a butt to the head. Then you wake up in the hospital and are told you can't see Ellie and she's being prepped for surgery. Marlene tells the guard to escort you out and that's that. In that situation, I can totally justify what he did. If I were him I'd have thought that they took Ellie from being unconscious after the near-drowning, kept her unconscious and taken her straight into surgery without any sort of consent or acknowledgement from her. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have let her say goodbye to Joel or anything? And since they were doing that, they obviously didn't really believe killing her was the "right" thing either because they wouldn't even let her know of it.

So that's what happened, but I still don't get WHY they did it that way. It just seems out of character for everyone. I imagined they would have told Ellie about what they were going to do, and she would either consent or not. If she did then they probably would have let Joel see her before going into surgery - as I'm pretty sure she'd insist on that. Maybe if she didn't consent and tried to break free then they would just knock her out and try to get rid of Joel like they did.

All that being said, I don't get the lie at the end. I understand what (I think) it was supposed to represent...but it wasn't necessary. If I were Joel I'd have asked what she remembered - like, did they talk to you or were you just out the whole time? I'd tell her they wouldn't let me see her, that I thought they were going to kill her without even letting her know, and they tried to get rid of me when I asked about it. Lying about how they said they couldn't make a cure at all just doesn't make a lot of sense. Might have said I didn't trust they could've made a cure or something...But that whole dialogue, and lack thereof, just seems like sloppy writing to me.

I also really don't like the part where you have to kill at least the one doctor. By giving the player control at that moment it makes it seem as if there's a choice. When I played I looked around to see if I could leave through the door, just grab Ellie, or whatever. Being forced to kill the doctor was extremely immersion breaking because you realize it's a game and then explore the potential options you think the game may have. That part should definitely have been a cut-scene.

With all that said, I still loved the game and would give it a 9.5 or 9 out of 10. All lost points would be because of the above

 

[Anubis]

 

[lilrayray69]

Is that of a game I should know?

 

[Anubis]

left 4 dead

 

[cmdrdredd]

I was thinkin about the ending some and some parts just don't make sense to me. Guess these are all spoilers...are there still people who haven't beaten it!?

Spoiler

I'd never thought of Joel as the bad guy, even after the end. But I was watching IGNs "spoilercast" or whatever and they were all like "I can't believe Joel was the bad guy!!". I never saw it like that. In the game, when you're trying to revive Ellie from the near-drowning, the two soldier guys come up and knock you out with a butt to the head. Then you wake up in the hospital and are told you can't see Ellie and she's being prepped for surgery. Marlene tells the guard to escort you out and that's that. In that situation, I can totally justify what he did. If I were him I'd have thought that they took Ellie from being unconscious after the near-drowning, kept her unconscious and taken her straight into surgery without any sort of consent or acknowledgement from her. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have let her say goodbye to Joel or anything? And since they were doing that, they obviously didn't really believe killing her was the "right" thing either because they wouldn't even let her know of it.

So that's what happened, but I still don't get WHY they did it that way. It just seems out of character for everyone. I imagined they would have told Ellie about what they were going to do, and she would either consent or not. If she did then they probably would have let Joel see her before going into surgery - as I'm pretty sure she'd insist on that. Maybe if she didn't consent and tried to break free then they would just knock her out and try to get rid of Joel like they did.

All that being said, I don't get the lie at the end. I understand what (I think) it was supposed to represent...but it wasn't necessary. If I were Joel I'd have asked what she remembered - like, did they talk to you or were you just out the whole time? I'd tell her they wouldn't let me see her, that I thought they were going to kill her without even letting her know, and they tried to get rid of me when I asked about it. Lying about how they said they couldn't make a cure at all just doesn't make a lot of sense. Might have said I didn't trust they could've made a cure or something...But that whole dialogue, and lack thereof, just seems like sloppy writing to me.

I also really don't like the part where you have to kill at least the one doctor. By giving the player control at that moment it makes it seem as if there's a choice. When I played I looked around to see if I could leave through the door, just grab Ellie, or whatever. Being forced to kill the doctor was extremely immersion breaking because you realize it's a game and then explore the potential options you think the game may have. That part should definitely have been a cut-scene.

With all that said, I still loved the game and would give it a 9.5 or 9 out of 10. All lost points would be because of the above

Spoiler

I felt that the lie was meant to show how much he ended up caring about her and hoping he could prevent her from feeling regret about any of what happened and not sacrificing her life towards possible cure. Telling her there were dozens of people like her and such. Just allow her to live her life and be happy and allow him an out from the past he has lived since the outbreak. Something like that. Now she knows how much he cares cause I think she knows he was lying, but she doesn't care about the lie. She understands now that she meant more to him as an individual than the population being able to get a vaccine or some cure. Also I think the vaccine wasn't necessarily guaranteed to work, so Joel may have been like "WTF it's killing her for an experiment".

 

[badb0y]

Man what a game! I would give it a 9.5/10.....damn it was intense all the way to the end.

Spoiler

The part that got to me the most was when the black guy's brother turns into a runner and he has to shoot him and then ends up committing suicide because his "reason to keep fighting" was his brother and now that was gone. Really touching since I have a younger brother and I would probably lose it if I was in that position as well.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Man what a game! I would give it a 9.5/10.....damn it was intense all the way to the end.

Spoiler

The part that got to me the most was when the black guy's brother turns into a runner and he has to shoot him and then ends up committing suicide because his "reason to keep fighting" was his brother and now that was gone. Really touching since I have a younger brother and I would probably lose it if I was in that position as well.

Like Joel said... "You find your reason to survive and you hold on to that and keep going" Not an exact quote but you catch the meaning.

 

[purbeast0]

just finished the game and WOW ... this game is EASILY the best game this gen IMO, like not even a competition. it's a good thing there aren't many games that are as good as this masterpiece, else i would never leave my basement. just an incredible ride from the start to finish, even with the slow start of the game. the pacing is perfect once it gets going, and looking back, the pacing at the beginning works well too. i'm just sad it is over now

it took me 14 hours on normal. i collected 99 collectibles but am not sure how many there are total. i was scavenging quite a bit though.

i CANNOT WAIT to see what naughty dog can do with the ps4.

now for some spoiler talk...

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while i don't remember the girls name at the beginning, i'm thinking i remembered it being anna. the recording at the end from marianne said that ellie was anna's daughter - so that was her mom all along? did ellie not even know that it was her mom? i wasn't quite clear about that in general.

i also did like the transformation that joel went through the whole game, and at the end you kind of see that he needs her in his life and can't let her go. the chemistry between the two the whole game was just awesome.

oh another question - why was ellie acting kind of weird when you start spring and are walking towards the hospital? she was all quite and joel kept asking her. was it because she was hiding from joel that she lost a bunch of friends when she first got bit, and was just having internal conflict whether or not to tell him? or was it something else i missed?

 

[Bman123]

Can't wait to see what naughty dog brings to the table with the ps4. I loved this game

 

[Childs]

Spoiler

while i don't remember the girls name at the beginning, i'm thinking i remembered it being anna. the recording at the end from marianne said that ellie was anna's daughter - so that was her mom all along? did ellie not even know that it was her mom? i wasn't quite clear about that in general.

You might be thinking about Tess.

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oh another question - why was ellie acting kind of weird when you start spring and are walking towards the hospital? she was all quite and joel kept asking her. was it because she was hiding from joel that she lost a bunch of friends when she first got bit, and was just having internal conflict whether or not to tell him? or was it something else i missed?

Spoiler

I thought it was more about their journey coming to an end. The whole reason they were together was to get to this place, and the uncertainty of what will happen now that they are there. Does Joel finally leave her like everyone else in her life?

 

[KaOTiK]

just finished the game and WOW ... this game is EASILY the best game this gen IMO, like not even a competition. it's a good thing there aren't many games that are as good as this masterpiece, else i would never leave my basement. just an incredible ride from the start to finish, even with the slow start of the game. the pacing is perfect once it gets going, and looking back, the pacing at the beginning works well too. i'm just sad it is over now

it took me 14 hours on normal. i collected 99 collectibles but am not sure how many there are total. i was scavenging quite a bit though.

i CANNOT WAIT to see what naughty dog can do with the ps4.

now for some spoiler talk...

Spoiler

while i don't remember the girls name at the beginning, i'm thinking i remembered it being anna. the recording at the end from marianne said that ellie was anna's daughter - so that was her mom all along? did ellie not even know that it was her mom? i wasn't quite clear about that in general.

i also did like the transformation that joel went through the whole game, and at the end you kind of see that he needs her in his life and can't let her go. the chemistry between the two the whole game was just awesome.

oh another question - why was ellie acting kind of weird when you start spring and are walking towards the hospital? she was all quite and joel kept asking her. was it because she was hiding from joel that she lost a bunch of friends when she first got bit, and was just having internal conflict whether or not to tell him? or was it something else i missed?

lol you went through the same pattern all of us went through. First saying it is good but not OMG awesome and deserves the crazy scores it got. Then you are like wow it is getting really good. Then BOOM amazing game best this gen.

Told you it got better as you played it

 

[Soundmanred]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Baker

He is Joel and Booker DeWitt .

 

[Sulaco]

Is that of a game I should know?

Wow. You don't know Left 4 Dead?

 

[cmdrdredd]

We never meet Ellie's mom. Just hear recordings about her.

 

[purbeast0]

You might be thinking about Tess.

oh yeah, okay that's right.

 

[Kyle]

Finished it a couple days ago- played over 2 days - 7 or 8 hr sessions- first time I've done that probably in the last decade or so- probably longer. Absolutely amazing game.

 

[purbeast0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ICRQYIoORg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZJ2C6wAVpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbO7D9YkP-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejdjcun2Jo4

finally got around to watching these - awesome little clips. i really REALLY like the music in this game too. i'm going to be checking out some more of that composers stuff.

 

[msi1337]

I finished the game last night. Wow! What a masterpiece. I don't know that I would give it a "10" per se, just because for me all the sneaking around was annoying. The story however was brilliant, and the acting was so good.