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isildur

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I have not read the books, so I was a little confused with the lady in the woods thing. Can someone explain what happened when Frodo offered it to her and she got all scary-like. Thanks.


Galadriel (the elf queen in the woods) is old school - she has been around forever almost.
Remember the proloque where the narrator (Galadriel) talked about the 3 Rings given to Elves? One of those was her. She already has one of the Great Rings; so she's already very powerful in her own right, PLUS she has a Ring. If she had the One Ring, she might have been able to then lead the free peoples and outright overthrow Sauron. If that happened though, she would then rule over them as the Dark Queen that she referred to.
That was what that scene was all about - her facing the temptation to take the ring and, in trying to do good, become another tyrant just as evil as the current one.

Good dialogue there: "All shall love me and despair."
 

isildur

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Sorry if I came off testy there guys - I've been eyein this movie opening for a long long time and I've spent alot of time reading complaints from alot of snot-nosed geeks who don't seem to understand film and its differences as a medium from the text. Kami knows what I'm talkin about.

People get bent out of shape over the omission of things that were dear to them from the books, and they don't realize that they would suck on screen and they can't acknowledge that some things must be cut and some things must be changed to make it work as cinema.
Is the spirit of the text maintained? I think it was and I think PJ nailed so many things dead on during that 3 hrs that I find it juevenile to be upset over some of the insignificants.
 

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<< I have not read the books, so I was a little confused with the lady in the woods thing. Can someone explain what happened when Frodo offered it to her and she got all scary-like. Thanks. >>


There is a good explanation above mine but to add, she was Queen of the Elves, holder of one of the original rings of power given to the elf-people. She was immortal and one of the original dwellers in Middle-earth. As she said, she would not become evil as Sauron was if she took the ring but would be changed much for the worse anyway. That dialog was almost lifted entirely from the book.

She gave Frodo a vision of what it would be like IF she took the ring. (In the book she detailed how it had come into her heart to find the One Ring.)

She said, "I pass the test, I will diminish as Galadriel and pass into the West." She also commented on Frodo's revenge for her testing him on their first meeting (only in the book). She was one of the most powerful creatures in Middle Earth - and although "good" - terrifying to some because of her power.

The scene did not detail the gifts the elves gave the party (but I thought I spotted some new cloaks) except the "star" water to Frodo.


And who gives a care as to Christopher Tolkein's opinion. IMO, he couldn't hold a candle to his father's writing. Whatever he wrote in the Silmirilion was downright boring. He is not the Master Storyteller his father was.

BTW, JRR wrote the Hobbit and LOTR for his GRANDchildren (who DO approve of the movie). Again - IMO - I think if old JRR was alive today, he would VERY MUCH approve of this film.
 

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isildur-

The problem is that you keep trying to talk like you are the final word of what is correct and not correct.

Was the movie perfect? No. But, I do think that there was much good about the movie and maybe I've been a little too harsh in my criticism.

How do you know that all the things taken out "would suck" on the big screen??? Have you seen these scenes on film?

As I've repeated numerous time (and am getting tired of repeating), I don't expect thing exactly as in the books and I know things needed to be cut out quite a bit.

But apparently, you're the one master of knowing what should have been left in and what was left out.

I will certainly see it again and possibly I will be able to enjoy it more now that I know what was left out and I won't be "expecting" certain things to happen.

Jason
 

isildur

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dude, LOTR was written for publication, upon request for a sequel to the Hobbit. The Hobbit was written for the kids.
 

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Good movie, but even though i've never read the books it's easy to tell how some scenes were rushed, well not rushed just compressed. Some things just didn't make sense, etc. Mostly what bigjohn said.

Some things I didn't understand were...
What was the deal with gandalf and that other wizard guy? I assume they have rings too? Otherwise that white wizard guy would've killed him.
What was the deal with putting the ring on? Aside from make you invisible, I guess it also put out some sorta beacon for the evil guys to find where you were?
And that red eye kept being flashed all the time? Or was that the inside of mt. doom?
And last of all, how did the evil guys come around again? Alright, you got that big evil dude in the beginning who forged the ring himself. Then the human guy took the ring, he got killed, then the ring went lost for a few hundred years until bilbo found it, or that golbin guy. So...what sparked that whole evil army thing you see all the orcs, and stuff like that?
 

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<< dude, LOTR was written for publication, upon request for a sequel to the Hobbit. The Hobbit was written for the kids. >>


Nonsense, JRR himself wrote, "the tale grew in the telling".

He awknowledges the entire story of Middle Earth grew out of stories he composed to entertain his grandchildren.
 

isildur

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isildur-

The problem is that you keep trying to talk like you are the final word of what is correct and not correct.

Was the movie perfect? No. But, I do think that there was much good about the movie and maybe I've been a little too harsh in my criticism.

How do you know that all the things taken out "would suck" on the big screen??? Have you seen these scenes on film?

As I've repeated numerous time (and am getting tired of repeating), I don't expect thing exactly as in the books and I know things needed to be cut out quite a bit.

But apparently, you're the one master of knowing what should have been left in and what was left out.

I will certainly see it again and possibly I will be able to enjoy it more now that I know what was left out and I won't be "expecting" certain things to happen.

Jason



I can accept that; but I've given the reasons that I think they wouldn't work.

No one else has made any such attempt, nor has anyone tried to counter them, so who is trying to be the last word?

I merely have railed against those who expressed unreasoned condemnation and unsupported criticism. In doing so, I have attempted to both use reason and to support my position.

The "master?" Hardly, but then I hardly need to be the master to do a more reasonable and intelligent job than some of the irrational and shallow ranting that has gone on against some of the changes made.

And dude, since I'm the one backing my stuff up and making direct discursive counters, you can back off with the snide remarks. You may be tired of repeating something, but I keep wondering why you are repeating a position that no one has challenged.
 

apoppin

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<<Some things I didn't understand were...
1. What was the deal with gandalf and that other wizard guy? I assume they have rings too? Otherwise that white wizard guy would've killed him.
2.What was the deal with putting the ring on? Aside from make you invisible, I guess it also put out some sorta beacon for the evil guys to find where you were?
3.And that red eye kept being flashed all the time? Or was that the inside of mt. doom?
4.And last of all, how did the evil guys come around again? Alright, you got that big evil dude in the beginning who forged the ring himself. Then the human guy took the ring, he got killed, then the ring went lost for a few hundred years until bilbo found it, or that golbin guy. So...what sparked that whole evil army thing you see all the orcs, and stuff like that?>>


1. Saruman and Gandalf were wizards of the same order. Saruman was chief of the order and had more power than Gandalf (wait till the next installment to see if that changes). Saruman imprisoned Gandalf in the hopes that he might be able to extract information as to the whereabouts of the Ring (which Saruman planned to use to install himself in place of the Dark Lord Sauron).
2. The Ring conferred Power upon the bearer in direct relation to the "stature" of the bearer. Since Frodo was not power-hungry, it's control over him was limited. The ring made one invisible and also partway in Sauron's evil spirit world. Putting the ring on made Sauron aware but he could not exactly pinpoint the wearer's location. That eye was always searching for the ring - his lost power.
3. See above . . . that was Sauron's evil spirit red eye in his tower.
4. By Isuldur's failure to unmake the ring by casting it into the fires of Mt. Doom, Sauron's evil remained as a spirit presence that would over time rebuild itself. But he could not return to flesh until he had the ring again.



<< And dude, since I'm the one backing my stuff up and making direct discursive counters, you can back off with the snide remarks. You may be tired of repeating something, but I keep wondering why you are repeating a position that no one has challenged. >>


You're not the ONLY one.
 

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<< had a better dramatic effect on the audience than just the dramatic effect of seeing amazing special effect scenery. That was the way that movies used to be made, but now it is all thin characters and flashy computer graphics

this is where I must disagree - I think this film did a fantastic job of using the actors...BUT this is the 1st movie and it, for good reason, focused on Frodo and Gandalf. Sure, I wanted more of Legolas and Gimli too, but you must admit that, even in the book, these guys are really just 2ndary characters, or at least characters who really don't get developed until the 2nd film.

One of the difficulties of filming these books is that there are just so many characters, locales, themes and forces. You have plenty of time, during however many hours it takes you to read each book, to get to know each character - to learn who they are and how they relate to everyone else. This time is simply not there for the film - even when we are talking about a 9 or 10 hour trilogy. Thus, you have to pick and choose; so, while I do expect (and hope!) to see more of Gimli and Legolas in the next film, I didn't really expect to see much more of them than we did in this one, and I really don't think it would have been a good move to attempt much more.

Seriously, PJ could spend the first three hours doing nothing but setting up all of this massive cast!
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That's exactly what this film did....use the characters. The characters were used to drive the computer graphics. I liked the computer-enhanced scenes a LOT, I must admit - I was in serious awe, amazement, and fear for the characters when the Balrog attacked, when the orcs were attacking them in Moria and later, and also of the Black Riders. They were used effectively to tell the story, which for the most part was told according to the books. My point is this: I felt empty when I left the theatre, i didn't feel as if I had just watched an enriching story, but I felt like it had been a number of stunning visuals accompanied by a less-than-fantastic script. Sure, most of the words said in this movie were said in the book, albeit in some instances by different characters, but perhaps not enough dialogue took place. I would have liked to see more character development is all I'm saying. The only characters that I think were developed well were Gandalf and Saruman, and maybe Aragorn. For the most part, the hobbits were portrayed as no more than simpletons or impetuous children. Frodo had more depth than the others, but for the most part I think that is true. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
 

isildur

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Nonsense, JRR himself wrote, "the tale grew in the telling".

He awknowledges the entire story of Middle Earth grew out of stories he composed to entertain his grandchildren.



http://www.tolkiensociety.org/tolkien/index.html

The foundation for Middle Earth was laid far, far before the Hobbit ever came to be. Check out the biography on that site (it's long, I would skim) for the chronology.

 

isildur

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You walked out feeling empty? That does suck, but I am perplexed by your feeling that this movie was all about the effects - I didn't feel that way at all and I am plenty willing to admit when some movies are (<ahem> JP3, EP1 <ahem>).

That's exactly what this film did....use the characters

I said that it used the actors well! All those close ups, man! I think Frodo and Gandalf were both WELL developed, although I do agree that the rest of the hobbits didn't do much - but really, the don't have much to do in Fellowhship.
The next movie should be interesting - lots of plotlines to follow & it could be confusing.

 

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Whew, it takes almost as long to read all of these reviews as it did to watch the movie.

I thought the movie was awesome. It was great, but not perfect. There is no way I can judge it as a movie and not books, because I know the books so well. No, it didn't match my vision of how I thought it should look and be, but I was awed by the vision of the movie. It added a lot to my experience of the saga.

Are we all getting a group together to move to NZ? Beautiful country.

 

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<< actually, i think this movie looks gay, looks more like a harry potter clone >>



No. How could it be a harry potter clone? The books were written in 1954, whereas harry potter was written in like 1995 or something like that. THe movie for lord of the rings was also made before harry potter. Harry potter clone? I think not.
 

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You'lll have to try a little harder to troll if you want to actually pick up more than a couple responses mr "I'm getting a dell"...
 

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<< Are we all getting a group together to move to NZ? Beautiful country. >>



I doubt we could all get along well enough to not kill each other....

I think that maybe the hype I had built up in my head ruined the movie a bit for me....don't get me wrong, I still think it was an amazing movie, I just felt unfulfilled as to the unrealistic expectations I had put upon the movie before I saw it. I realize after re-reading the book that Tolkien doesn't write out the action sequences for us in explicit detail, so there is a lot of room for poetic interpretation. PJ took that liberty and worked wonders with it....amazing scenery and detail, amazing action sequences. Gandalf and Frodo were developed as characters very well, and as they were the main characters that is to be understood, but I left wanting more. Maybe that is the key to my disappointment - I was unhappy to have to leqave the story where it was. I wanted to see a more detailed movie, even though this one was far more detailed than any movie I have seen in the recent past. I agree, some movies <cough> JP3, EP1</cough> were all special effects, but I still bought the DVD and still watch the movies over and over. I was not completely satisfied at the end of this movie, and I guess I am just trying to throw out some explanation as to why.
 

isildur

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Hey man, I'm all for the move to NZ, although my wife would rather move to Rivendell I think. lol

I was disappointed in a way as well; but more just because I knew that it would be another 12 months before we could pick up the story again. I really expect that we will see more of the others, who really are 2ndary, supporting characters, beloved though they be.

;D EP1 is in my DVD shelf too, but no JP3...

lol
 

cetyle

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This movie was incredible. I had only read fellowship and I was kind of afraid that they wouldn't do a good job but thank god for incredible seamless CG and some great actors. I've never seen a movie more than once in the theaters but I'd definitely see this again, it's an incredible experience.

wow.
 

apoppin

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<< He awknowledges the entire story of Middle Earth grew out of stories he composed to entertain his grandchildren. >>



Well, JRR invented his "world" long before his hobbit tales. It is mostly found in the preHistory the Silmarilion.

However, the direct creation of the world of the Ring and the Hobbit's interaction grew out of tales he spun.


<< he told his children stories, some of which he developed into those published posthumously as Mr. Bliss, Roverandom, etc. However, according to his own account, one day when he was engaged in the soul-destroying task of marking examination papers, he discovered that one candidate had left one page of an answer-book blank. On this page, moved by who knows what anarchic daemon, he wrote "In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit".

In typical Tolkien fashion, he then decided he needed to find out what a Hobbit was, what sort of a hole it lived in, why it lived in a hole, etc. From this investigation grew a tale that he told to his younger children, and even passed round. In 1936 an incomplete typescript of it came into the hands of Susan Dagnall, an employee of the publishing firm of George Allen and Unwin (merged in 1990 with HarperCollins).

She asked Tolkien to finish it, and presented the complete story to Stanley Unwin, the then Chairman of the firm. He tried it out on his 10-year old son Rayner, who wrote an approving report, and it was published as The Hobbit in 1937.
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further,


<< By this time Tolkien had begun to make his Legendarium into what he believed to be a more presentable state, and as he later noted, hints of it had already made their way into The Hobbit. He was now calling the full account Quenta Silmarillion, or Silmarillion for short. He presented some of his "completed" tales to Unwin, who sent them to his reader. The reader's reaction was mixed: dislike of the poetry and praise for the prose (the material was the story of Beren and L&uacute;thien) but the overall decision at the time was that these were not commercially publishable. Unwin tactfully this messge relayed to Tolkien, but asked him again if he was willing to write a sequel to The Hobbit. Tolkien was disappointed at the apparent failure of The Silmarillion, but agreed to take up the challenge of "The New Hobbit".

This soon developed into something much more than a children's story; for the highly complex 16-year history of what became The Lord of the Rings consult the works listed below. Suffice it to say that the now adult Rayner Unwin was deeply involved in the later stages of this opus, dealing magnificently with a dilatory and temperamental author who, at one stage, was offering the whole work to a commercial rival (which rapidly backed off when the scale and nature of the package became apparent). It is thanks to Rayner Unwin's advocacy that we owe the fact that this book was published at all - Andave laituvalmes! His father's firm decided to incur the probable loss of £1,000 for the succ&egrave;s d'estime, and publish it under the title of The Lord of the Rings in three parts during 1954 and 1955,
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So now, ALL of you know.

I read LOTR in High School at least 25 times and the school sent me to some college classes for more in-depth study (1969). I read EVERYTHING (in modern English) ever published bu JRR and many other biographical works about him.

LOTR was part of JRR's life masterworks and part of his creation of another parallel world where he could explore linguistics, religon, contemporary and ancient thinking and even environmental thinking (the Dragon's name was Smaug [smog] in the Hobbit).
 

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It was inevitable...the holy wars have begun. No doubt, various Internet forums are now teeming with Tolkien fans arguing over the movie.

My negative stance remains. Taken by itself, the film was excellent filmmaking, a crown jewel of the action/adventure genre. New standards have been set in terms of epic, grandoise scaling and the integration of special effects into the film medium. Full budget, well-selected cast, impeccable visual detail, very good rendition of evil.

But alas, the film's entire feel is just not like the book's and that's where people take issue. Some wait for decades and find out the trilogy will get treated to a $270 million budget and about 9 hours of coverage. Wow! But then the film comes out and we realize it's just an action/sword-and-sorcery rendition of the novels. Indeed, the book alludes to many battles and such, but these are just vehicles for the underlying emotions and messages. Many times I wanted to apply the brake and say "woooh, slow down a bit...you are getting ahead of yourself here." and "must we rush into another fight scene already?" and "the book wasn't this bleek and violent". I suppose I would have removed much of the Isengard scenes and replaced them with more footage of at least the flight to Bree. I wanted the urgency and the build-up of fear to be gradual, but after Gandalf returned to Bag End, the film just took off too quickly...like "quick, quick, hurry so we can get to a fight scene and show some SFX!" There was not much sense of anticipation - a wonderful sensation that the novel invokes - because you are always transfixed on some hyper activity on the screen.

I found parts of Titanic absolutely terrifying because the anticipation factor built up so well. You knew the ship was going to sink, but the film didn't rush it...the waiting is more exciting than the action itself. I guess that's why I find zombies more terrifying than vampires. With a vampire, you're dead pretty quick, but a zombie's slow, deliberate movements just drives me nuts. You know you can outrun them, but their slowness just freezes you still in terror.

The FOTR movie was too much action and not enough anticipation. PJ tried to slow things down by adding scenes where the dialogue and sound fell dead silent, but it still seemed a bit forced. The stay at Rivendell should have been fleshed out more...a break in the action, a time to develop the characters, provide some more details...but no, it's "so when do we leave? Can we leave NOW?"

If you recall Raiders of the Lost Ark, when Indiana Jones travelled around the world, you saw his flight represented by a moving red line across a world map, jumping from point to point and finally ending at Nepal. It was simple and short, but really effective. I said this before, but do you really think the movie gave you any indication of distance...of time? I think not. From The Shire to the Falls of Rauros spans nearly 1000 miles. One thousand miles...and what? 4 months? I think that was lost in the film. They could have at least once shown the party camping out, sleeping, keeping watch, giving some nod to time.

And character development was often MIA. The most loving attention given to Boromir was at his death, but it was too late by then to really care much about him. Same thing with Aragorn...they didn't develop his character well. We know he is the long, lost king but something is missing. The acting was very good, but sometimes an actor can only do so much before the screenplay has to kick in to fill in some details.

My mother was at theater with me - she never read the book - but said after the movie, "That was violent. Is the book anything like that?" I told her "no, what you saw was Hollywood going a little overboard."

I am a little curious by why so many critics have draped this film with such incredible adornments of praise. I guess this is where I am having troubles. I am expected to love this film and cherish it, but it leaves me a little lost. It's like wanting to love, but not being able to find it.
 

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I'm a little hesitant to write this, because no doubt isildur is sitting there with his thumb planted on the refresh key waiting to snipe at people who disagree, but here it is.

This movie was good *enough*, but not great. It is without a doubt one of the best films of the year (it is *not* the best in my book, I would say bottom 5 of the top 10), and it certainly is the best "epic action" film of the year. Those who are looking for a good action flick need look no further. This film, despite its flaws, makes the awful testosterone overloaded "Gladiator" look like a B flick. Rightfully so.

The visuals are for the most part spot on with the magical, fantastic feel they were going for. There were moments which seemed excessively computerized, but for the most part I liked them. Except for the incredibly overdone "horror moments" (e.g. galadriel and bilbo under the influence of the ring). During those moments, I was reminded too much of the fact that Jackson directed "The Frighteners". As I said, though, the vast majority of scenes had very good visuals.

The acting was also superb, really worthy of this material. You could tell people poured their hearts into it, and really cared. I was surprised that I didn't feel like anyone was overacting or trying to look cool too much (possible minor exception for legolas and his way of the gun bow holding stances). The acting was the best part of the film, which on the whole was quite good.

However, I feel that it suffered under the weight of some (possibly necessary) problems. I at first attributed some of the problems I have with it to the director, who surely used too much horror film influence here, but then I realized that no matter who directed it, a $300million budget pretty much dictates that you appeal to the typical hollywood fans as much as possible without alienating the throngs of tolkien fans.

I greatly appreciate the fact that jackson was ambitious on this project. It really shows. Extremely high production values. However, he definitely should be said to have interpreted it more than adapted it. And this is where my problem is. Lord of the Rings is anything but an action epic in my mind. Yet this is what the first film is.

I agree with the folks who state that the pacing is poor. It is not only poor, it is very poor. Don't get me wrong, there are some quiet and subtle moments in this film, just not enough of them. And even those feel rushed. Sure, you have to account for the medium. 3 hours is going to involve a lot of cuts. Just don't expect me to agree that this is as good of a presentation as it could get. Take a look at stuff like "Band of Brothers" and "24" and tell me that it wouldn't be possible to make a 9 hour fellowship. It just wouldn't have as big of a budget, and wouldn't make as much money. But we all know it would be better even with obvious blue screens and wires.

The pacing was just too spastic. I never really felt engulfed by any of the landscapes as I should have. Worse still, the characters seemed to serve the purpose of furthering the plot, as opposed to the plot serving to further the characters. This is certainly not an immediately obvious flaw, until you realize that the material this film is based on is largely composed to be a plot furthering a character / anthropological study.

Another problem was the lack of charm. The books are all about style and charm and that warm fuzzy feeling you get when you think about a hobbit eating far too many meals a day. The film was about action with a little bit of style added to taste. The books were a gloriously creative venture into the world of middle earth, fascinated with every tree and every creature. Cool is one thing, and certainly Fellowship is that, charming is another, and certainly Fellowship is not that.

The last, and perhaps most unchangeable problem I had was the cliched action. I don't recall if some of this stuff was in the book, but either way, it does not make for a good film. It must be written in some secret guide to hollywood film that you must have a character who is in imminent danger and unable to do anything and then, at the very last second, the other character who has gone 30 feet away to urinate shows up at the last second to save the first character. Usually there is the sarcastic quip from one or the other "bout time you showed up" or "can't leave you alone for 30 seconds", at least this film didn't have that. If we are going to be "treated" to an action-heavy film, how about adding a little more style to it? Where are hong kong's finest when you need them? In every way that this movie lacks, Crouching Tiger Excels. Just imagine taking all the panache and romance out of crouching tiger and putting it into this film, and tell me you wouldn't have given up your first born for it.

All that being said, I am still greatly looking forward to the next, and hoping this film is successful enough to allow a little more creative license in the editting and post-production work of the next two. And let's cross our fingers that Jackson can deliver the goods with that sort of freedom - because otherwise I'll sit wondering why infinitely better directors were not given the task. Guys like Michael Mann, M. Night Shyamalan, Malick, etc.
 

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<< you saw his flight represented by a moving red line across a world map, jumping from point to point and finally ending at Nepal. It was simple and short, but really effective. >>


I asked you if you wanted to see that map in an earlier reply to you.



And yes, the books had violent battles. But much of it was left to your imagination.

Anyway, I have to absolutely and completely disagree with your disappointed assement of the movie. I don't think ANY movie would have satisfied you in a protrayal of LOTR - even one you had direct control of.

For me, it was completely satisfying. I realize it ia a MOVIE and NOT the book. I expected it to be different and it was. But it was TRUE to the book's SPIRIT (if not the letter).

I'm done here. You can nitpick all you want to. That DVD will have an honored and permanent place in my collection alonside Tolkein's written works.
 

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Saw it last night, might as well join in. For starters, I hated this book. 2nd most boring I've ever read. (#1 is the Hobbit)That said, I was blown away when the final trailer came out and actually got excited for the movie.

I thought it was OK. I'm really in no hurry to go see it again, if even.

The story's pretty much the same from the book. Dragged on sometimes. I wish Elrond didn't have to declare them as the Fellowship. I think it was better like in the book that it was just a quiet understanding between all of them what they were. That scene was just cheesy complete with the swelling music.

Liv Tyler just didn't work for me as an elf. I guess I've seen Empire Records and Aerosmith's "Crazy" video too many times before. And what was up with that voice? Was she dubbed? Digitally altered?

Viggo Mortensen didn't turn into Aragorn/Strider for me 'til that moment that he cut off the ugly guy's head and said at the end, "Let's go hunt some orc".

Merry and Pippin - who? ah, the token comic relief guys. But can you tell who's who? Some people in my theater couldn't.

Gimli - can you say, overacting? But then he probably had to anyway underneath all that prosthetic.

I was looking forward to Galadriel especially after I saw her in the trailer but that fell short() too. I saw her as this wise, serene, ethereal being but she just ended up being spooky with an I-know-something-you-don't-know look.

Sam was just Rudy in a fat suit with hairy feet. I didn't get why they still included the scene with Aragorn letting Bill the pony go where Sam was all sad, when they didn't establish his closeness to it anyway.

Christopher Lee and Ian McKellen stole the show from everybody else. I can't wait to see Lee in Episode II. His has got to be the most menacing voice and presence in all of cinema.

Legolas was ok. Typical elf character. Boromir was my favorite though.

The score - there was a score? j/k. It was nice but not really something you'd catch right away if you heard it in a music store.

Special f/x? It was good when it was good (Balrog). But when it's bad, it's very bad (Galadriel being tempted). Nothing ILM or Sony Imageworks couldn't do if they wanted to.

PJ can do scary. That much is evident. Action, it's ok but no WOW factors really. Drama, that's where it feels forced. It seemed like he always had to resort to slomo shots and have the music kick in when it was time to make the audience cry.

All in all, entertaining movie but not really the earth-shaking event that everyone claims it is. For me anyway.

 
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