The Los Angeles reality disconnect

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: dderidex

Originally posted by: Ameesh
you think this is just limited LA? its all over, you see that south park called stupid slutty whore, it was right on the money.

Yeah, but it's much, MUCH worse in LA.

Where do you think the rest of the country gets it from? LA has always been the "center of fashion" for the US, so any trend sweeping the nation started there years back, and the current state of LA fashion will always be a good sight scarier than the rest of the country.

Seriously, I travel on business all over the country. LA scares the hell out of me, the people there are FREAKS. So superficial it hurts.

This is exactly what I'm trying to say. I don't think I have ever seen a preadolescent girl wear a feathered boa anywhere else. The reality disconnect comes in where the parents either don't realize or don't care that other adults could be looking upon their children as objects of sexual attraction. While I'm not a parent, if I were, I would certainly hope that my first instinct would be to keep my children safe.

Something is wrong when "fashion" achieves a percieved importance that's higher than the basic welfare of children.

 

[Spamela]

i don't blame LA, the media, TV, or anything else
except the weak or deluded parents who can't say "no."

OTOH, to pedophiles, it probably doesn't matter what they wear.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Spamela
i don't blame LA, the media, TV, or anything else
except the weak or deluded parents who can't say "no."

OTOH, to pedophiles, it probably doesn't matter what they wear.

I tend to think it's more "deluded" parents, myself. They live in a world where this is normal.

And good point about the pedophiles.

 

[Mandos]

I'm surprised someone hasn't asked for pics yet, as many jackarses we have on this place.

I want a daughter but I want her to be so innocent and stuff for like ever. I want my girl to be my girl for like at LEAST the first 10 years of her life. DOnt want her growing up at 5, as in clothing and stuff. Goddarn vain shist.

 

[illustri]

big newflash to some of you, sexuality isn't a phenomenon in and of itself, you are forcing your own adult roles on these kids who in fact have little idea or care about it themselves.

hell even a kid's complete nakedness isn't sexual unless your dirty minds grant it that power, are you going to put clothes on your pets? not take them to the zoo? or not watch the discovery channel?

lighten up

 

[SupaDupaPan]

Originally posted by: Spamela
i don't blame LA, the media, TV, or anything else
except the weak or deluded parents who can't say "no."

OTOH, to pedophiles, it probably doesn't matter what they wear.

I blame the media due to the fact that say ... 10 years ago they didn't have this problem. Little girls didn't want to go and wear skimpy little outfits out wearing barely anything. The parents themselves are also a problem too, but without the influence from the media, they would have never been presented with this (the problem of the girls dressing *slutty* or what not.)

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: illustri
big newflash to some of you, sexuality isn't a phenomenon in and of itself, you are forcing your own adult roles on these kids who in fact have little idea or care about it themselves.

hell even a kid's complete nakedness isn't sexual unless your dirty minds grant it that power, are you going to put clothes on your pets? not take them to the zoo? or not watch the discovery channel?

lighten up

Got any young daughters?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: illustri
big newflash to some of you, sexuality isn't a phenomenon in and of itself, you are forcing your own adult roles on these kids who in fact have little idea or care about it themselves.

hell even a kid's complete nakedness isn't sexual unless your dirty minds grant it that power, are you going to put clothes on your pets? not take them to the zoo? or not watch the discovery channel?

lighten up

Not sure what you're asking here. Your first statement is correct; roles are indeed being forced on these kids, and they really don't have much idea of their true significance (hence the moral problem).

However, your second statement doesn't make sense. You're telling me to "lighten up" about this, because lack of clothing shouldn't be a concern, because lack of clothing on children per se isn't sexual (which is true)? The problem here isn't lack of clothing; it's clothing/makeup that specifically emphasizes sexuality.

Sexuality is not a bad thing, but it is something that develops gradually over our teen years. It should not be emphasized in pre-teenage girls. (my opinion)

 

[asia]

nvm

 

[Mandos]

Originally posted by: asia
nvm

I thought not.

 

[Mandos]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: illustri
big newflash to some of you, sexuality isn't a phenomenon in and of itself, you are forcing your own adult roles on these kids who in fact have little idea or care about it themselves.

hell even a kid's complete nakedness isn't sexual unless your dirty minds grant it that power, are you going to put clothes on your pets? not take them to the zoo? or not watch the discovery channel?

lighten up

Not sure what you're asking here. Your first statement is correct; roles are indeed being forced on these kids, and they really don't have much idea of their true significance (hence the moral problem).

However, your second statement doesn't make sense. You're telling me to "lighten up" about this, because lack of clothing shouldn't be a concern, because lack of clothing on children per se isn't sexual (which is true)? The problem here isn't lack of clothing; it's clothing/makeup that specifically emphasizes sexuality.

Sexuality is not a bad thing, but it is something that develops gradually over our teen years. It should not be emphasized in pre-teenage girls. (my opinion)

I agree with illustri, whereas nudity isn't sexual, but astaroth is true too. It shouldnt be emphasized, definitely not. But what can you do, all the girls want to grow up so quick and be so sexually attractive as the older folks. Its the way the human mind works. If the media didnt force this on everyone, we wouldnt have such a problem because the girls eyes wouldnt be turned to that so soon in their life

 

[Bateluer]

It seems to be really bad in the south, where its warmer. People can wear less and be comfy. You should see Arrowhead Mall, Metro Center, or Desert Sky Mall in the summer here in Phoenix. Its sad really.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
This thread is exactly why I will LITERALLY destroy the very fabric of American society before I spawn. If I have to drive the entire planet back into a puritan hell to ensure that my daughters aren't told that slutty == acceptable, I shall.

That's because men want "slutty" bad girls,sex sells, plain, vanilla boring women are only good to marry, produce offspring, bring home a paycheck and be ignored while hubby stares at the barely clad starlets on tv or views porn in the den.

What people say they want is often very different from their true secret desire... I suspect men only want plain,vanilla wives because they figure they'll be faithful as no other man will want them.

 

[Megatomic]

You sound pretty bitter Geekbabe.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
You sound pretty bitter Geekbabe.

Yeap, geekbabe offers an observation and she's automatically consigned to the "bitter" heap. Did you ever stop to think that maybe my observations are based on some real life observations and experiences ?

There is a disconnect in this country between our stated values and what we actually do in practice.
If the public didn't like/buy the lolitta "slut" look it wouldn't be offered for sale period.We happily go along with the packaging of younger and younger pop stars as sexual commodities but cry "not my little girl" at the mere prospect of somebody eyeing ourt own daughter in the same way.

 

[Megatomic]

Perhaps they are (re: observations) but unless you know all men or even some men in all the various cross sections of society I'd say your observations are limited. That's hardly scientific now is it?

Now I'm not going to sit here and try to deny that men don't like slutty, but I will deny that men (most and I do not include pedophiles) like slutty girls. And I'll also state that while men several decades ago would marry plain jane women for the reasons you state, I don't believe that to be the case now. I married an attractive woman, I like her to be that way. Other men have hit on her, but she has always declined the invititations.

 

Why arn't you people outraged that in other countries children are married off before puberty and have children in their very early teenage years?

 

[Spamela]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Megatomic
You sound pretty bitter Geekbabe.

Yeap, geekbabe offers an observation and she's automatically consigned to the "bitter" heap. Did you ever stop to think that maybe my observations are based on some real life observations and experiences ?

There is a disconnect in this country between our stated values and what we actually do in practice.
If the public didn't like/buy the lolitta "slut" look it wouldn't be offered for sale period.We happily go along with the packaging of younger and younger pop stars as sexual commodities but cry "not my little girl" at the mere prospect of somebody eyeing ourt own daughter in the same way.

trying to raise the consciousness of ATOT? good luck.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

bratz doll
another

These are the dolls my 6 year old niece wants for christmas! They look like hookers.
:disgust:

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: Jehovah
I don't want any daughters, and this post just reinforced the fact.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Spamela

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Megatomic
You sound pretty bitter Geekbabe.

Yeap, geekbabe offers an observation and she's automatically consigned to the "bitter" heap. Did you ever stop to think that maybe my observations are based on some real life observations and experiences ?

There is a disconnect in this country between our stated values and what we actually do in practice.
If the public didn't like/buy the lolitta "slut" look it wouldn't be offered for sale period.We happily go along with the packaging of younger and younger pop stars as sexual commodities but cry "not my little girl" at the mere prospect of somebody eyeing ourt own daughter in the same way.

trying to raise the consciousness of ATOT? good luck.

lol, nah, just an observation, I do wonder how many of those crying "not my daughter" here frequent the "barely legal" teen model type porn sites though. We say we value/want one thing but go the opposite direction when it comes to action in a lot of cases it seems.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
This thread is exactly why I will LITERALLY destroy the very fabric of American society before I spawn. If I have to drive the entire planet back into a puritan hell to ensure that my daughters aren't told that slutty == acceptable, I shall.

That's because men want "slutty" bad girls,sex sells, plain, vanilla boring women are only good to marry, produce offspring, bring home a paycheck and be ignored while hubby stares at the barely clad starlets on tv or views porn in the den.

What people say they want is often very different from their true secret desire... I suspect men only want plain,vanilla wives because they figure they'll be faithful as no other man will want them.

Wow, you read my mind set for 1st marriage, after that hell for a few years, I gave up, and refused to compromise.

Also, there's that whole madonna/whore thing guys have going on, marry an attractive woman (or acceptable to be brutally honest, most guys settle) and after they have a baby, men have a hard time dealing with fvcking a "mother"

Cliff notes-guys are a mess...

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
This thread is exactly why I will LITERALLY destroy the very fabric of American society before I spawn. If I have to drive the entire planet back into a puritan hell to ensure that my daughters aren't told that slutty == acceptable, I shall.

That's because men want "slutty" bad girls,sex sells, plain, vanilla boring women are only good to marry, produce offspring, bring home a paycheck and be ignored while hubby stares at the barely clad starlets on tv or views porn in the den.

What people say they want is often very different from their true secret desire... I suspect men only want plain,vanilla wives because they figure they'll be faithful as no other man will want them.

Wow, you read my mind set for 1st marriage, after that hell for a few years, I gave up, and refused to compromise.

Also, there's that whole madonna/whore thing guys have going on, marry an attractive woman (or acceptable to be brutally honest, most guys settle) and after they have a baby, men have a hard time dealing with fvcking a "mother"

Cliff notes-guys are a mess...

Why anybody would "settle" for somebody to marry is beyond me, it's self-defeating and a breathtakingly cruel thing to do to another person.

 

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
This thread is exactly why I will LITERALLY destroy the very fabric of American society before I spawn. If I have to drive the entire planet back into a puritan hell to ensure that my daughters aren't told that slutty == acceptable, I shall.

That's because men want "slutty" bad girls,sex sells, plain, vanilla boring women are only good to marry, produce offspring, bring home a paycheck and be ignored while hubby stares at the barely clad starlets on tv or views porn in the den.

What people say they want is often very different from their true secret desire... I suspect men only want plain,vanilla wives because they figure they'll be faithful as no other man will want them.

Wow, you read my mind set for 1st marriage, after that hell for a few years, I gave up, and refused to compromise.

Also, there's that whole madonna/whore thing guys have going on, marry an attractive woman (or acceptable to be brutally honest, most guys settle) and after they have a baby, men have a hard time dealing with fvcking a "mother"

Cliff notes-guys are a mess...

Usually thoes mothers let themselves go and turn from a woman a guy will want (or settle for), to a woman who doesn't turn him on at all.
Another thing is that most people do get bored of having sex with the same person all the time.
No matter how much "experimenting" and toys and crap you bring into the sex, you still have the same person. Eventually that just gets to the point where it feels like chore.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Why arn't you people outraged that in other countries children are married off before puberty and have children in their very early teenage years?

This is actually a very good and insightful question, and I think the answer lies in the "out of sight, out of mind" concept: Far away cultures are just that, far away. If that were happening here in the US, I think people would indeed be concerned about it.

Here's a problem that I have with American culture: We sexualize these young children, yet profess "shock" and "outrage" at Janet Jackson's tit.