The lunacy of organized religion

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: nobody2you

I think science one day would be able to allow gay people to have children. Does that make science God? I think the world is screwy but i'am just a sicken observer.

I'm guessing you're saying that science will be able to product a child from two X chromosomes or two Y chromosomes and not need one of each. I would wish you luck with that one. Could it happen, I don't know. I'm not a genetic scientist, but I don't think so.

Whenever science is able to "make" or "create" the laws of nature and science, then I would say you could call science God. Again, good luck with that one too.

 

[nobody2you]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: nobody2you

I think science one day would be able to allow gay people to have children. Does that make science God? I think the world is screwy but i'am just a sicken observer.

I'm guessing you're saying that science will be able to product a child from two X chromosomes or two Y chromosomes and not need one of each. I would wish you luck with that one. Could it happen, I don't know. I'm not a genetic scientist, but I don't think so.

Whenever science is able to "make" or "create" the laws of nature and science, then I would say you could call science God. Again, good luck with that one too.

Why do you think it's impossible for people to manipulate DNA? Do you think human are so unique? I dont find it that fascinating when I think about it.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: nobody2you

I think science one day would be able to allow gay people to have children. Does that make science God? I think the world is screwy but i'am just a sicken observer.

I'm guessing you're saying that science will be able to product a child from two X chromosomes or two Y chromosomes and not need one of each. I would wish you luck with that one. Could it happen, I don't know. I'm not a genetic scientist, but I don't think so.

Whenever science is able to "make" or "create" the laws of nature and science, then I would say you could call science God. Again, good luck with that one too.

It's called gene splicing, and it has been speculated on for a while as a way to produce a child from XX or YY chromosomes. It's not there yet, but I would say 20 years or less.

And on the last point you are a$$ backwards: science does not attempt to "create" the laws of nature, only describe them in a verifiable way. The laws of nature are most probably created by variations in the p-brane fields that have enhanced string theory in...

Future Shock

 

[Whaspe]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: nobody2you

I think science one day would be able to allow gay people to have children. Does that make science God? I think the world is screwy but i'am just a sicken observer.

I'm guessing you're saying that science will be able to product a child from two X chromosomes or two Y chromosomes and not need one of each. I would wish you luck with that one. Could it happen, I don't know. I'm not a genetic scientist, but I don't think so.

Whenever science is able to "make" or "create" the laws of nature and science, then I would say you could call science God. Again, good luck with that one too.

It's called gene splicing, and it has been speculated on for a while as a way to produce a child from XX or YY chromosomes. It's not there yet, but I would say 20 years or less.

And on the last point you are a$$ backwards: science does not attempt to "create" the laws of nature, only describe them in a verifiable way. The laws of nature are most probably created by variations in the p-brane fields that have enhanced string theory in...

Future Shock

Just a quick clarification here, you would never be able to create a human with only two XX chromosomes or two YY chromosomes. You'd be missing the other 44. A human with two YY chromosomes would never survive. But ~ half of our population have the XX genotype, they are the women in our life. Creating a child from two men would therefore require either both of them to donate an X (for a daughter) or one to give a Y and the other an X (for a boy). Also, the fusion of two sperm would never survive. The egg is packed full of mRNA and cellular components ready for life while the sperm is built for transport and speed shedding its cytosol and vesicular transport systems. It's conceivable that someday one of the men could donate a stem cell (which would require some modifications) and the other a sperm. The next challenge would be creating a successful implantation and following that, the ability to carry the baby to term. There are a few cases where mothers have had ectopic pregnancies unbeknownst to the doctor until the time of birth. Delivery would have to be by C-section. Using cloning techniques and a donated egg all this could be done with success today. Of course this would require a change of policy regarding cloning techniques and gay men having children.

 

[carage]

There actually is an academic take on this issue.
This book, written by one of my mentors in college, has some take on it.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookse...serid=R0448EpAA8&isbn=0226293858&itm=5
Prof. Gill seems to view both government and religion as market services...

 

[misterj]

Originally posted by: carage
There actually is an academic take on this issue.
This book, written by one of my mentors in college, has some take on it.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookse...serid=R0448EpAA8&isbn=0226293858&itm=5
Prof. Gill seems to view both government and religion as market services...

hopefully someday his research will inspire him to truly understand what he is writing about.

 

[drinkmorejava]

I love how everyone here is coming up with their own rendition of what religion is and it's role in society. Thinking is good, but most of you are indoctrinating your view as being correct, and everyone else?s as being wrong...kind of like the Religious Wars (1562-1648). I say force everyone to take a nice long course in European History before anything else stupid is posted.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: nobody2you

I think science one day would be able to allow gay people to have children. Does that make science God? I think the world is screwy but i'am just a sicken observer.

I'm guessing you're saying that science will be able to product a child from two X chromosomes or two Y chromosomes and not need one of each. I would wish you luck with that one. Could it happen, I don't know. I'm not a genetic scientist, but I don't think so.

Whenever science is able to "make" or "create" the laws of nature and science, then I would say you could call science God. Again, good luck with that one too.

It's called gene splicing, and it has been speculated on for a while as a way to produce a child from XX or YY chromosomes. It's not there yet, but I would say 20 years or less.

And on the last point you are a$$ backwards: science does not attempt to "create" the laws of nature, only describe them in a verifiable way. The laws of nature are most probably created by variations in the p-brane fields that have enhanced string theory in...

Future Shock

If you would have read the post you would see I never stated science DID create the laws of nature. Science is incapable of making laws, which is why I don't think science will ever be able to completely destroy the ideas of a supernatural figure.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: nobody2you

I think science one day would be able to allow gay people to have children. Does that make science God? I think the world is screwy but i'am just a sicken observer.

I'm guessing you're saying that science will be able to product a child from two X chromosomes or two Y chromosomes and not need one of each. I would wish you luck with that one. Could it happen, I don't know. I'm not a genetic scientist, but I don't think so.

Whenever science is able to "make" or "create" the laws of nature and science, then I would say you could call science God. Again, good luck with that one too.

It's called gene splicing, and it has been speculated on for a while as a way to produce a child from XX or YY chromosomes. It's not there yet, but I would say 20 years or less.

And on the last point you are a$$ backwards: science does not attempt to "create" the laws of nature, only describe them in a verifiable way. The laws of nature are most probably created by variations in the p-brane fields that have enhanced string theory in...

Future Shock

If you would have read the post you would see I never stated science DID create the laws of nature. Science is incapable of making laws, which is why I don't think science will ever be able to completely destroy the ideas of a supernatural figure.

WHY, oh WHY do you have to believe that ANYTHING or ANYONE "made" those "laws"? And they are not laws - they are merely expressions of the way things behave - we happen to call them "laws" because we mean to indicate that they should hold true all the time. So they are not "laws" in the legal sense - i.e., no one created them, no one specified them - they just ARE.

You must be an engineer, because your language interpretation is rather too literal...

Future Shock

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

WHY, oh WHY do you have to believe that ANYTHING or ANYONE "made" those "laws"? And they are not laws - they are merely expressions of the way things behave - we happen to call them "laws" because we mean to indicate that they should hold true all the time. So they are not "laws" in the legal sense - i.e., no one created them, no one specified them - they just ARE.

Um, aren't legal laws the exact same thing? Expressions of the way humans should behave? And we call them "laws" because we mean to indicate that they should hold true all the time?

To answer your question of why, it's simply because I don't think anything "just happens." And that's just my opinion. You're obviously welcome to your's, and there is nothing to say that's mine is right and your's is wrong, or vice versa. I just don't think that things just "happened" to all work out nicely, which is why I believe someone/something has to orchestrate the whole thing. It sounds a lot like ID, but I really don't go in for their whole political and educational agenda crap. But for me, that's why.

You must be an engineer, because your language interpretation is rather too literal...

Thanks for the complement.