Discussion The media should stop giving air time to Trump lackeys

[imported_tajmahal]

You mean the many clips from rallies where he spews outright lies, and calls for violence against his opposition? Yeah, I would agree with that. I don't think it has the merit to be aired on television to millions of people.

You were painting the picture as if he said ANY and ALL political footage though, which is definitely not what he stated. So...why the misrepresentation? For argument's sake?

You mean the 2 rallies he had in Louisiana and the one in Minneapolis? So......why the misrepresentation? For arguments sake?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So if anyone......anyone tells a lie they should never have coverage of the media again? Not just "Trump lackeys" But anyone? at anytime? Why pretend it's only 1 side that lies? We both know it isn't limited to one side.

Lying to the American people is not a right. When they say something that is a provable demonstrative lie stop the coverage.

If it is your contention Trump lying to people is protected speech then scroll a chyron across bottom of screen indicating Trump or his people are lying. Then we can protect your precious lying

 

[Pohemi]

You mean the 2 rallies he had in Louisiana and the one in Minneapolis? So......why the misrepresentation? For arguments sake?

So you mean he's only made false claims at those three rallies? Or are you referring to the ones where he threatened violence or goaded his followers to do violent acts?

 

[ivwshane]

So if anyone......anyone tells a lie they should never have coverage of the media again? Not just "Trump lackeys" But anyone? at anytime? Why pretend it's only 1 side that lies? We both know it isn't limited to one side.

How many lies do you allow a person to spew before you stop listening to them? How many lies should someone be allowed to tell before the media stops giving them a platform to spread those lies?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So you mean he's only made false claims at those three rallies? Or are you referring to the ones where he threatened violence or goaded his followers to do violent acts?

I have no idea. Do any Democrats ever tell lies at their rallies? This thread is about "giving air time to Trump lackeys" Do only Trump lackeys tell lies? Why did the OP set up one party as telling lies when we all know that both sides tell lies.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

How many lies do you allow a person to spew before you stop listening to them? How many lies should someone be allowed to tell before the media stops giving them a platform to spread those lies?

I expect politicians to tell lies. They have never disappointed me.

 

[ivwshane]

I expect politicians to tell lies. They have never disappointed me.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[Perknose]

I expect politicians to tell lies. They have never disappointed me.

^^^ I'll just leave this incredibly revealing statement of yours here.

 

[zzyzxroad]

So if anyone......anyone tells a lie they should never have coverage of the media again? Not just "Trump lackeys" But anyone? at anytime? Why pretend it's only 1 side that lies? We both know it isn't limited to one side.

Yes that is correct. Do you have any other questions?

 

[interchange]

So if anyone......anyone tells a lie they should never have coverage of the media again? Not just "Trump lackeys" But anyone? at anytime? Why pretend it's only 1 side that lies? We both know it isn't limited to one side.

Trump lackeys are the folks who are not attempting to engage in a debate but rather telling intentional lies at the moment. Any engagement in that behavior does not deserve air time. If there is reasonable suspicion that someone will use their air time to this, then perhaps the best strategy would be to pre-record any interviews and only broadcast if someone is reasonably attempting to collaborate by providing a different perspective or opinion instead of intentional disinformation.

If instead we were broadcasting ISIS recruiting videos and I advocated against it, would you yell at me for being too critical of ISIS because I didn't instead say that we shouldn't broadcast any terrorist videos?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Goodness gracious. Let me get this right. You think the press in general should silence any and all political speech and thought from the side you don't agree with and only show your point of view?
But you kinda feel sad about silencing free political speech? Because it's your opinion that a large group of Americans don't agree with you? Thank you for your input.

Thanks for the extra straw. We seem to be running short these days.

 

[HomerJS]

So if anyone......anyone tells a lie they should never have coverage of the media again? Not just "Trump lackeys" But anyone? at anytime? Why pretend it's only 1 side that lies? We both know it isn't limited to one side.

Nice try. There is a distinction between going 3 mph over the speed limit vs 40 over. One gets ignored. The other gets you jailed and license revoked.

12 lies/day qualifies. 12 in 8 years doesn't

 

[pcgeek11]

I think he probably doesn’t want to give air time to people who willingly lie to the press and American people.

It’s sort of like how a lot of people on this forum want to get rid of trolls and liars. It’s not because of their views, it’s because they are trolls and liars.

In order to accomplish that they would probably have to stop allowing 90% of politicians of both parties from having air time.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I expect politicians to tell lies, they have never disappointed me.

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These aren't all of them.

 

[ivwshane]

In order to accomplish that they would probably have to stop allowing 90% of politicians of both parties from having air time.

Observable reality would disagree with you.

 

[ivwshane]

I expect politicians to tell lies, they have never disappointed me.

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These aren't all of them.

Obama told mostly false or worse lies 151 times out of his 8 years or 19 lies a year.

Your boy trump has told 514 lies during a three year period, or 171 lies a year.

And that’s not even comparing the severity of each lie.

 

[pcgeek11]

Observable reality would disagree with you.

I disagree.

I'm not comparing levels of lies or how many lies each one tells.

You said:

" I think he probably doesn’t want to give air time to people who willingly lie to the press and American people. "

I would venture to guess that at least 90% if not more politicians willingly lie to the press and the American people on a regular basis. And in order to achieve what you stated they would have to ban most politicians.

 

[ivwshane]

I disagree.

I'm not comparing levels of lies or how many lies each one tells.

You said:

" I think he probably doesn’t want to give air time to people who willingly lie to the press and American people. "

I would venture to guess that at least 90% if not more politicians willingly lie to the press and the American people on a regular basis. And in order to achieve what you stated they would have to ban most politicians.

Put up or shut up. If you are going to venture into pedantry you better bring the goods.

 

[pcgeek11]

Put up or shut up. If you are going to venture into pedantry you better bring the goods.

I quoted you word for word and stated my opinion on what you said.

I'm sorry your words offended you.

Who draws the line of how many or how large of a lie is allowed?
How many intentional lies are acceptable to you?
How do you grade the level of each lie?

 

[ivwshane]

I quoted you word for word and stated my opinion on what you said.

I'm sorry your words offended you.

Who draws the line of how many or how large of a lie is allowed?
How many intentional lies are acceptable to you?
How do you grade the level of each lie?

I’d say three strikes and you are out. The networks/news program can make the call on how serious the lies are.

 

[dawp]

I don't agree. It provides more ammunition to point out perceived "liberal bias".

Invite them on but hammer their lies if they try it, and don't let up.

live fact checking is pretty effective, have a list of likely claims and have counter arguments ready when they bring them up.

 

[pcgeek11]

I’d say three strikes and you are out. The networks/news program can make the call on how serious the lies are.

Three strikes rule alone would rule out most politicians of all parties.

Glad we can agree on something.

 

[fskimospy]

Man are you guys furiously attempting to #bothsides this.

His point is simple and entirely correct. We should not invite people on TV that we know are going to engage in a deliberate lying campaign. Sadly, that’s mostly conservatives. Instead of getting mad at the OP for saying this conservatives should stop elevating people who engage in this behavior.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Three strikes rule alone would rule out most politicians of all parties.

Glad we can agree on something.

Only until they learn that they will be caught and struck out, then they would stop. Why are you arguing so hard for maintaining lies in politics?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I expect politicians to tell lies. They have never disappointed me.

It's a strange thing when people believe that all things are equal in politics. Obama lied? Sure did. Bush (both) sure. Bill Clinton? Absolutely.

Yet they didn't do so to the magnitude of enormity that Trump does in his very Orwellian "reality" that is defended by some. Trump displays a degree of pathology beyond any holder of the Office in our history.

Who should be the judge? As someone said, the facts of the matter, such as Trump breaking the law with his actions for which he is currently being investigated.

Here is the law itself

It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

Note (2) and "other thing of value" and that it doesn't have to be money. Note there is no quid pro quo in the law.

Yet falsehoods made about this being necessary is an outright lie. Therefore it is a matter of journalistic responsibility to not give such statements any sense of credibility. They can and should certainly show the lie and who tells it, however offering a platform? No, not at all.

Likely some will look at what I have posted and say "well what about"... and I reply that if a Democrat were a Trump in office and the Dems took the same approach then the same should apply, but that's not where we are now. We have an admitted criminal in the form of Trump and the law which is broken.

The only two options are to deflect or lie. No, there's admitting the facts of the matter in this context, but that's a distant third.