You just repeated what I said and mouthed off about me saying it.
You stated that the auto/select rifles substantially differ from semi, which isn't the case in any meaningful context for this thread, a fact which bears noting.
This is done by lowering the force propelling the bullet or its impulse, not by violating the basic laws of physics. It's also completing irrelevant here.
Who cares.
Did I ever tell you about the time when a guy in a bar told me stealth aircraft are a waste of money because stealth doesn't work? All these scientists are just idiots. Bar room jimmy said it doesn't work, so that means it doesn't work. He's a no nonsense kind of guy, and that's why I trust his opinions.Who to believe- military armorers or internet blowhards?
The Zodiac killer used a .22. They work great for killing under ideal conditions, but it might take a few more bullets, and they don't really go through walls or body armor. With something like a .308, one expects every target to die in 1 shot regardless of how much cover they have; hiding your head behind a math textbook or your hands will not protect you. I assume this limitation of effectiveness is why Canadian gun laws put no limitations on .22 rifles. It's perfectly legal to have a semi auto .22 with 50 round magazines.The little Browning Semi-Auto .22 you could probably go nuts with using many clips I suppose.
If you want less recoil, use the highest velocity bullets you can find for that cartridge size. This works because energy is proportional to velocity squared, but momentum (recoil) is proportional to velocity without being squared. If bullet B is 2x the velocity of bullet A, the mass of bullet A must be 4x the mass of bullet B. Both cartridges will have the same amount of energy, but the bullet weighing 4x as much at 1/2 the speed will have 2x as much recoil.This is done by lowering the force propelling the bullet or its impulse, not by violating the basic laws of physics
It does matter if second cars lead to more effective cases of vehicular homicide.
Witness above that nobody disputes single shot rifles are much less effective for mass shootings. In case it's not obvious, that's similar to a magazine size of one.
It's kind of impressive, that's why.
Have you ever shot a gun?
Okay, I'll give you the first one.
Second one, never made such a statement,
Funny that's the same exact statement you started your silly ass replies including accusing me of speaking from gaming rather than real life combat experience,
I think you completely missed the point. The point is that "why do you need that?" is a bullshit question in a free society. If I have something that is really bad, tell me why it's bad. If you make a good logical point, I'll get it and take action. But the burden is on YOU to convince me why to give it up; the burden is not on me to convince you why I NEED to own it.
Why the confidence in your own expertise if you can't tell the difference?
Did someone hack your account to write this?:
"Anyone trying to compare the AR-15 to either the M4 or M16 has no clue when it comes to true assault weapons."
My subsequent argument was that they're completely comparable for the purposes of this thread. Would any actual gun expert disagree?
It's a reasonable question, I'd be happy to point you to some references, etc.
Listen, I'm sorry if I offended you, seriously, how can I help?
I think the discussion is better if we have a similar knowledge base.
My thing is the AR15 pistol variant(s), Glocks, and long range shooting.
I really hate that my hobby has become such a political football.
A friend in Hawaii asked me to help him find an AR recently, talk about a PITA, I buy the gun, and pay the transfer fee to my receiving FFL guy, we're going to slap a collapsible stock on it to replace the fixed one, we can only send a 10 round magazine with it, my FFL then ships it to another FFL in Hawaii, who does another background check on my friend, and collects his doctors statement, and makes him fill out a psych evaluation form, and ensures all the t's are crossed and the i's dotted.
My name will be forever linked the the weapon, 2 different states will have collected taxes and fees on it, 2 FFL's will have to process the paperwork, and shipping costs are just crazy stupid.
Here's a few of my favorite sites:
www.ar15.com
www.glocktalk.com
http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums?s=541
That's all pretty silly considering that your friend can buy an AR15 OTC at several gunshops in Hawaii.
It's a reasonable question, I'd be happy to point you to some references, etc.
Listen, I'm sorry if I offended you, seriously, how can I help?
I think the discussion is better if we have a similar knowledge base.
My thing is the AR15 pistol variant(s), Glocks, and long range shooting.
I really hate that my hobby has become such a political football.
A friend in Hawaii asked me to help him find an AR recently, talk about a PITA, I buy the gun, and pay the transfer fee to my receiving FFL guy, we're going to slap a collapsible stock on it to replace the fixed one, we can only send a 10 round magazine with it, my FFL then ships it to another FFL in Hawaii, who does another background check on my friend, and collects his doctors statement, and makes him fill out a psych evaluation form, and ensures all the t's are crossed and the i's dotted.
My name will be forever linked the the weapon, 2 different states will have collected taxes and fees on it, 2 FFL's will have to process the paperwork, and shipping costs are just crazy stupid.
Here's a few of my favorite sites:
www.ar15.com
www.glocktalk.com
http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums?s=541
Tell ya what, go shoot a M16/M4 and a AR-15/variant and then come back and tell how they compare other than firing the same round.
I have gun enthusiast friends and we hang out at the range sometimes. They're more the sort of folks who would work at TrackingPoint designing PGFs. Tacticool ARs are very popular with the wealthier weekend crowd there.
I have gun enthusiast friends and we hang out at the range sometimes. They're more the sort of folks who would work at TrackingPoint designing PGFs. Tacticool ARs are very popular with the wealthier weekend crowd there.
Since you're the expert, can you describe the substantial differences other than auto? And maybe where readily available Colt AR/M4 lies that vast crevasse?
I have gun enthusiast friends and we hang out at the range sometimes. They're more the sort of folks who would work at TrackingPoint designing PGFs. Tacticool ARs are very popular with the wealthier weekend crowd there.
Since you're the expert, can you describe the substantial differences other than auto? And maybe where readily available Colt AR/M4 lies that vast crevasse?
The rhetoric about free society is irrelevant given the aforementioned current interpretation of the constitution. The ridiculously high amount of gun violence is a pretty good reason to attempt some reduction.
But as mentioned before, the problem is the gun violence is largely among people outside the gun lobby, so they don't give a shit.
I see what's going on here, we've been discussing the use of a M16/M4 in combat situations and agent00f is misconstruing that with the use of a semi-auto rifle in mass shooting.
Rather than minutia about firearms which gun nuts could go on all day about, it's a lot easier to use basic english reading comprehension skills to figure out the 2nd amendment doesn't speak to an individual right in the first place. I know reading isn't a strong suit for many americans, but it's literally one sentence and relatively simple at that.
You have a weird definition of wealthy. An AR-15 costs about as much as the XBox One cost before they dropped the price. The ammo for a typical AR (.223 or 5.67) is about as cheap as it gets for a rifle outside of .22LR, runs about .25c per round. By comparison, a hunting round like the 30-06, .308, or 30-30, can easily cost 1.00 - 2.00 per round.
Wealthier crowd? Keep on making a bigger fool of yourself.
LMAO!!!! Divert, divert, divert. Just admit you have no real life experience and only know what you've read on the intarwebs.
Weren't we talking about 30 round mags? If you can demonstrate to me that those directly lead to deaths at a high rate, then we can get into weighing the pros and cons of "why we need that". We've done it with cars and pools and all sorts of other things that kill lots of people every year.
The biggest problem I have with most proposals to reduce gun violence is that they tend to shit on a lot of innocent people's rights while not doing much if anything to actually reduce violence.
You don't know what that word means. I'm only asking for you to substantial your own claim. Flailing around to avoid doing so is what's called a diversion. Talking about war when the thread is nothing about war is what's called a diversion, and so on..
Just admit that you have no real world experience with either full auto M16/M4 or an AR-15 for that matter.
BTW the thread title is "The Media's Latest Depictions of the AR-15 - Is it fair?" and not what you want it to be.
I've some experience shooting the AR-15 and I'm still waiting for you to describe how the M16/M4 is substantially different in any context that's not a complete distraction from this topic.
Well, you can go out and shoot either and explain how an AR-15 is anything like the combat version.
I'm asking the self-proclaimed expert here to explain his own statement. I shouldn't have to go completely out of my way to find out he's not correct.
I'm asking the self-proclaimed expert here to explain his own statement. I shouldn't have to go completely out of my way to find out he's not correct.
I'm perfectly willing to accept the any explanation of these substantial differences from anyone else. As previously mentioned, it's unclear how adding auto/select is meaningful for these shootings in the US. Surely it would be trivial to lord expertise over someone who doesn't know these things from a stick in the ground.
I'm perfectly willing to accept the any explanation of these substantial differences from anyone else. As previously mentioned, it's unclear how adding auto/select is meaningful for these shootings in the US. Surely it would be trivial to lord expertise over someone who doesn't know these things from a stick in the ground.