The Media's Latest Depictions of the AR-15 - Is it fair?

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Artdeco

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you have no idea what i know about guns and you are assuming wrong. i know enough to have an intelligent discussion, so why do you continue to avoid that discussion?

ftr, my uncle was a lifelong Illinois state trooper and taught me gun safety and how to shoot decades ago when i was a teenager.

i also never claimed to have all of the solutions, unlike you.

What's stopping you from learning something?

An opinion based on faulty data is an uninformed opinion.
 

glenn1

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so you think all weapons of war should be legal?

That's a different question than the one you asked and thought incorrectly I hadn't answered. And I answered it in my last post. You pick the correct tool for the job. I wouldn't use a pellet gun or bow and arrow on the battlefield and likewise I wouldn't deploy a flamethrower to shoo away some wolves.

Should all weapons be legal? Sure, why not? If you want to spent several hundred dollars for two seconds of fun putting a few dozen rounds of .50 caliber machine gun rounds downrange then why not. Not my thing anymore since that was actually my job for many years, but different strokes for different folks. Limiting some middle aged dad from being able to enjoy a shooting hobby isn't going to keep you any safer from the next mass killing. It would be akin to making umbrellas illegal and thinking rain would no longer fall.
 

agent00f

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I will put this here. Repeat after me, clip =! magazine.

and this one, the majority of the recent mass shootings were from hand guns, not evil black "assault" rifles - http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=0


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Rather than minutia about firearms which gun nuts could go on all day about, it's a lot easier to use basic english reading comprehension skills to figure out the 2nd amendment doesn't speak to an individual right in the first place. I know reading isn't a strong suit for many americans, but it's literally one sentence and relatively simple at that.
 

Londo_Jowo

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There is no way I would want to go into a war zone with a AR-15 or any other semi-auto rifle. I would want to have 3 round burst at a minimum or full auto to provide cover fire. Anyone trying to compare the AR-15 to either the M4 or M16 has no clue when it comes to true assault weapons.
 

agent00f

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Auto is irrelevant for anyone actually good at shooting, and these weapons are relatively easy to convert anyway. It's illegal but not like anyone going on a spree is going to care.
 

Svnla

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Rather than minutia about firearms which gun nuts could go on all day about, it's a lot easier to use basic english reading comprehension skills to figure out the 2nd amendment doesn't speak to an individual right in the first place. I know reading isn't a strong suit for many americans, but it's literally one sentence and relatively simple at that.

First of all, not sure why you quote my post (which was about the difference between clip vs. mag and the types of guns that were used in the recent mass shooting) that has nothing with your rant about the true meaning of 2A.

Secondly, if you want to argue the true meaning of 2A, get a law degree, become a lawyer, then argue against the lawyers from NRA in front of the USSC. Don't whine and bitch here.

Good luck, newbie.
 

agent00f

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First of all, not sure why you quote my post (which was about the difference between clip vs. mag and the types of guns that were used in the recent mass shooting) that has nothing with your rant about the true meaning of 2A.

Secondly, if you want to argue the true meaning of 2A, get a law degree, become a lawyer, then argue against the lawyers from NRA in front of the USSC. Don't whine and bitch here.

Good luck, newbie.

I quoted your post as an example of the completely pointless debate over minutia when it's plain as day this entire charade is built on willfully poor english skills.

Scalia's opinion is rather obviously forced (consider reading it instead of speaking out of ignorance), so it's not as if its rationalization of conservative ideology is based on anything except will to power.
 

Jhhnn

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And wrong again. There are a ton of semiautomatic rifles that are just as capable, and you're ignoring the bulk of homicides are committed with handguns, but the media keeps bleating about AR15's, sigh...

Do you think other types of guns shoot flowers instead of bullets?

Use some critical thinking, don't repeat what the media is telling you, read Wikipedia watch some YouTube videos, etc.

Seriously, watch this video and take a deep breath

https://youtu.be/P20xln3H3nk

When I said AR15 variants, i should have said all 5.56 semi-auto carbines that use Nato STANAG magazines & firearms of similar configuration.

They've been the weapon of choice in civilian massacres in this country for some years. There are good reasons for that, of course. That's what they're for- killing people.
 

MongGrel

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First of all, not sure why you quote my post (which was about the difference between clip vs. mag and the types of guns that were used in the recent mass shooting) that has nothing with your rant about the true meaning of 2A.

Secondly, if you want to argue the true meaning of 2A, get a law degree, become a lawyer, then argue against the lawyers from NRA in front of the USSC. Don't whine and bitch here.

Good luck, newbie.

You seem to be too busy splitting hairs than saying much that is relevant atm, to be honest.
 

Svnla

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I quoted your post as an example of the completely pointless debate over minutia when it's plain as day this entire charade is built on willfully poor english skills.

Scalia's opinion is rather obviously forced (consider reading it instead of speaking out of ignorance), so it's not as if its rationalization of conservative ideology is based on anything except will to power.

If you want to say anything about "poor english skills", you need to take a look at the mirror first, look real hard.

Again, unless you are a board licensed lawyer that specializes in Constitution Law, your argument is worth as much as the next guy/gal.

Unless you have new thing to say, don't bother to quote me again and waste my time with your pointless rant.
 

Svnla

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You seem to be too busy splitting hairs than saying much that is relevant atm, to be honest.

My post was about clip vs. mag (AR 15 feature) and how little AR15s were used in recent mass shooting.

What is the title of this thread again? Something about "depictions of the AR-15", therefore, my post was right on the spot and valid.
 

MongGrel

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Auto is most useful for providing cover fire, since you can't hit shit with all the recoil. Tell us about your skillz in counterstrike with it.

Pretty much, but modifying a sear isn't that difficult to do, and most people in a war zone wouldn't be say, um, dancing on a packed dance floor in the middle of a war zone.



Wtf does clip vs Mag description have to do with anything. Of course they are called mags these days, all though in WWII even some military rifle manufacturers still referred to a mag as a clip.

That is not relevant at all.
 
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MongGrel

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How about we discuss my use of a M16 in Beirut 1984 instead? Recoil???? Let me guess you got bruised firing a AR-15 too.

I always found that one ridiculous myself, the M16 is one of the lightest recoil rifles out there. The only way I could see anyone getting recoil off one is if they were afraid of it and were holding it 3 inches off their shoulder and firing it might slam back a bit.

When I said AR15 variants, i should have said all 5.56 semi-auto carbines that use Nato STANAG magazines & firearms of similar configuration.

They've been the weapon of choice in civilian massacres in this country for some years. There are good reasons for that, of course. That's what they're for- killing people.

It is what they were designed for, more or less.
 
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shady28

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I quoted your post as an example of the completely pointless debate over minutia when it's plain as day this entire charade is built on willfully poor english skills.

Scalia's opinion is rather obviously forced (consider reading it instead of speaking out of ignorance), so it's not as if its rationalization of conservative ideology is based on anything except will to power.

Your argument is based on complete and likely willful ignorance of history.

Alexander Hamilton - you probably don't know who he is so here's the first sentence of his Wikipedia article :

Alexander Hamilton (January 11, 1755 or 1757 – July 12, 1804) was a Founding Father of the United States, chief staff aide to General George Washington, one of the most influential interpreters and promoters of the U.S. Constitution, the founder of the nation's financial system, the founder of the Federalist Party, the world's first voter-based political party, the founder of the United States Coast Guard, and the founder of The New York Post newspaper.


Here are some direct quotes from Alexander Hamilton :

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton


"... for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
Alexander Hamilton



"...that standing army can never be formidable (threatening) to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in the use of arms."
Alexander Hamilton


Want to go on with some more drivel about how smart you are in re(mis)-interpreting the meaning of the Constitution?

Like the man said, this is not Facebook and you're a newbie.
 

Artdeco

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When I said AR15 variants, i should have said all 5.56 semi-auto carbines that use Nato STANAG magazines & firearms of similar configuration.

They've been the weapon of choice in civilian massacres in this country for some years. There are good reasons for that, of course. That's what they're for- killing people.


The AR15 is just the gun du jour if you really want to make a difference ban handguns

 

Londo_Jowo

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I always found that one ridiculous myself, the M16 is one of the lightest recoil rifles out there. The only way I could see anyone getting recoil off one is if they were afraid of it and were holding it 3 inches off their shoulder and firing it might slam back a bit.

You can always tell when someone has never fired one. Even in full auto the recoil is minimal. You may get some side tracking but if you fire with that in mind you can lay down some decent cover fire.
 

agent00f

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If you want to say anything about "poor english skills", you need to take a look at the mirror first, look real hard.

Again, unless you are a board licensed lawyer that specializes in Constitution Law, your argument is worth as much as the next guy/gal.

Unless you have new thing to say, don't bother to quote me again and waste my time with your pointless rant.

Mr "Unless you have new thing to say" isn't really in a position to judge the english skill of others.

A degree in constitution law is unnecessary to determine a forced conclusion given novel interpretations of english/law, per "prefatory clause", were concocted for this very purpose.
 

MongGrel

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I still do not see wtf the 2 amendment has to do with the description of an AR15 platform either, but of course things were going to veer off I guess.
 

MongGrel

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You can always tell when someone has never fired one. Even in full auto the recoil is minimal. You may get some side tracking but if you fire with that in mind you can lay down some decent cover fire.

+1

I used to have a Remington Gold Medallion in 7mm Remington Magnum that would knock you pretty hard, but the thing was hotter than a 30-06
 
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