The Military Draft

[Amused]

Originally posted by: gUEv
I dont really like to spew liberal rhetoric or buzzwords but due to the fact that I am 19, the reinstatement of the draft has been at the back of my mind for some time now.
50 year olds are being called into combat....we are trying to pass legislation to allow women in forward fire teams...but bush says he has enough people to fight the war? D:

realistically its not like it could "just happen" overnight or something, and whoever pushed for it would become extremly unpopular from some groups.. but i really wouldnt trust a promise from bush anymore.

if i was drafted tommorow I would not go, if the current situation is as it is now. I am not a hippie, I am not a pussy... but I would not go. I would serve this country proudly and voluntarily in almost any other conflict (maybe save vietnam...although i ran my birthday and I would have actually avoided the draft, had i been alive). perhaps if there was some other development or if we really needed help (...moreso) then perhaps...but as it is...fck it

Two things you need to understand:

1. The stop-loss program is being implimented because there is a shortage of EXPERIENCED soldiers, not raw recruits. The stop-loss keeps experienced soldiers on duty until the newer troops can be trained and gain experience.

2. Recruitment rates are not below what is needed to keep the armed forces at full capacity. The size of the armed forces and number of total troops allowed is set by Congress. They cannot recruit beyond that point unless Congress allows them to. So far, Congress has not been asked to increase the number of troops. If and when they are, VOLUNTARY recuitments will more than fill the needs. If needed (and they are no where near that point now) the armed forces can easily raise the number of recruits volunteering by offering signup bonuses, and better benefits and/or lowering standards. They aren't even doing this right now. The only real bonuses are the standard ones offered to recuits with special skills and experienced soldiers as part of the stop-loss. What does this mean? This means that there are MANY things they can do before bringing in the worst kind of soldier: The conscript.

Conclusion? There is NO NEED for a draft. None whatsoever. You've been duped by leftwing fear mongering.

 

[bamx2]

I think it will comback soon. Sooner with Bush but will also still happen under Kerry .

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: mwtgg
They don't need me.

How many soldiers are deployed in Iraq? How many fatalities have there been so far?

1100 enough for you?

Putting words in my mouth? I'm not trying to mock their deaths, but look at the big picture. I'll take a guess of 100,000 US Troops deployed in Iraq, there are probably more, but let's go lower.

1111 deaths / 100,000 troops = ~1%

Edit: I was way off, as of March 31, 2004, there were 211,028 soldiers deployed in Iraq.

9/11 dead: 3000
Us population 300000000
Look at the big picture.

You do you realize the more and more you post, the more and more you come off as an idot, right?
Seems as if most of what you post came from something such as "Liberalism for Dummies."
Those that died in the World Trade center did not sign up and go to work knowing the possibility of getting killed in action while at work. Every memeber the US military sign up knowning that their are certain risks that they may encounter.

still, u play the numbers game to dimish the deaths of some, you better be ready to dimish the deaths of all based on the same rule.

Did I or did I not say that I wasn't mocking their deaths?

The fact of the matter is, those doing their jobs in the WTC did NOT ask to be killed. However, those that enlist in the military knew the risks, and took them. They are very brave people, and I respect them dearly.

DING DING DING why can't some people understand that soldiers get killed it is a job hazard. Were the WTC deaths Soldiers? No. My good friend shipped out for Iraq Wednesday. He was out of the military but reinlisted after seeing his 1st child born. He wants her to live in a safe world. And he is willing to pay the ultimate sacrafice to do so for his child and YOUR children too.

It is not Diminishing the Deaths they are doing what they are paid to do, trained to do, and in many many cases are proud to do.

My boss has a cousin come back from Iraq to get killed in a car accident last week. People Die everywhere! A shame yes but regardless of the circumstances they will never see him again.

actually a large number of those who died were indeed those who have death as a job hazard. remember the firefighters? and its a stupid idea that soldiers are "asking to be killed" hazardeous job or not. you can stretch that and say that that living in america, esp ny, target of jihad nutters is "asking to be killed". in the end your just playing a silly numbers game to denigrate the deaths of group x to justify your support for an incompetent leader who went to his misguided war on the cheap, braying all the way about how little it would cost so that he could continue to justify his tax cuts. leading to the unecessary deaths of thousands of civilians, and over a thousand of our soldiers.

so, was your tax cut worth that soldiers life? its your money if more may die because of an incompetent leader lowballing his way into war, so be it huh

 

[ShellGuy]

Every person who signs up for the Armed Services knows they may be sent to war. End of story.. I think every man woman and child should have to compleat Basic Combat Training in their choosing of service ARMY prefered... LOL... I went and it was a great building block for me.. It teaches you most of all how to be a team player... I meet alot of people in the world who arn't even close to it.. Just because we send you to basic doesn't mean you have 2 stay... To the young man who said he would dodge the draft... All i can say is you would be called a puss by me... I went I did my time.. What is to say that your Job wouldn't be playin in the band for the Pres... I know for sure they don't send band members to the front lines... I had a few in my basic training... The point is you signed up and you did your service... I can't see the draft comming back.. ANY time... Just go look at your local recruting station or your local MEPS.. You will see many young men and woman who WANT to fight and poss die for their country.. If women want to go to the frontlines and fight side by side with the men then let them...



Will G.

 

[BrianA]

Originally posted by: jemcam
The President of the US does not have the power to reinstate the draft. Explain to me how the President can do what you're saying please. He doesn't have the power authorized to him to do so.

The President also doesn't have the power to declare war (not even a stupidly vague "War on Terror"), but yet, somehow we're currently involved in two that the Congress did not authorize.

So don't use that as the basis of your argument. If there's a will, the President will always find a way.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: bamx2
I think it will comback soon. Sooner with Bush but will also still happen under Kerry .

SuperTool is no longer the thread dumbass...

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: BrianA

Originally posted by: jemcam
The President of the US does not have the power to reinstate the draft. Explain to me how the President can do what you're saying please. He doesn't have the power authorized to him to do so.

The President also doesn't have the power to declare war (not even a stupidly vague "War on Terror"), but yet, somehow we're currently involved in two that the Congress did not authorize.

So don't use that as the basis of your argument. If there's a will, the President will always find a way.

Wrong.

Congress did authorize use of force specifically against Iraq. The War Powers resolution gave him the required authority to act against the government of Afghanistan and the terrorists they harbored within their borders

The President can not initiate the draft. Only Congress has that power.

 

[Acanthus]

I love the retards spouting off about the reserves....

Maybe if our army wasnt half reserves from the dems it wouldnt be a problem in the 1st place.... on top of that... THATS WHAT THE FRIGGIN RESERVES ARE FOR.

 

[dr150]

I heard Powell directly say he's for a draft.

Bush said no idraft in the debate.

I guarantee you once Bush is elected, a Draft will BE imposed. Remember that Bush gives a fvck about what others think. He even was quoted as saying a dictatorship would be easier--especially if he was the dictator.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: dr150
I heard Powell directly say he's for a draft.

Bush said no idraft in the debate.

I guarantee you once Bush is elected, a Draft will BE imposed. Remember that Bush gives a fvck about what others think. He even was quoted as saying a dictatorship would be easier--especially if he was the dictator.

You guarntee it?

Care for a wager?


I've got a 1000 bucks that says there will be no draft proposed or passed by the Bush administration.

 

[Fritzo]

Nope. Won't happen. Drafts don't work since the troops drafted don't want to be there and turn into liabilities.

 

[SNiPeRX]

This is crazy, the draft is not coming back, im a contract cadet at the Citadel... We just had budget increases and POC selection has increased to fill the gap between active and reserve. I am more then happy to go into the military and serve my country because it has given so much to me. All you cry babies who are scared of the draft which isnt going to happen. Lets put it hypothetically, lets say you do get drafted; do this, go get three purple hearts for bs injuries and then go into politics as you all can see its works very well. Hell when you get back become a traitor and go infront of congress and bitch about soldiers do what they have to, in order to survive.

Thanks

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dr150
I heard Powell directly say he's for a draft.

Bush said no idraft in the debate.

I guarantee you once Bush is elected, a Draft will BE imposed. Remember that Bush gives a fvck about what others think. He even was quoted as saying a dictatorship would be easier--especially if he was the dictator.

You guarntee it?

Care for a wager?


I've got a 1000 bucks that says there will be no draft proposed or passed by the Bush administration.

I want in on that bet!

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: BrianA

Originally posted by: jemcam
The President of the US does not have the power to reinstate the draft. Explain to me how the President can do what you're saying please. He doesn't have the power authorized to him to do so.

The President also doesn't have the power to declare war (not even a stupidly vague "War on Terror"), but yet, somehow we're currently involved in two that the Congress did not authorize.

So don't use that as the basis of your argument. If there's a will, the President will always find a way.

Ummmm. No war has been "declared" since WW II. Do your homework, it takes an act of Congress to officially "declare war", and there's a whole lot of stuff that happens along with that. I won't bore you with details since you don't appear to pay attention to them or the truth before running your mouth.