The mobile Athlon 64 and motherboards

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jkresh

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I might, but I am going to have an interesting time if it doesn?t work, as I don?t know anyone in the area who has an a64 so getting a hold of a desktop chip to flash the bios (assuming an updated bios would fix it) may be tricky.
 

Bar81

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No, but zzf has a listing for it and that means it's very close. Next week would be a good guess.
 

jkresh

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I emailed asus to ask about dtr support, will post when i get a response.
Will probably be going with the dtr3200+ and the asus 8KN-E, I currently have 512corsair xms 3200 (about 2 years old, so before 3200 was actualy jdec spec). Will be going to a gig, if i plan on overclocking (which I do), should I go with ddr500, or just get another 512 of the corsair?
 
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Yes, I am useing an AK89 MAX. Won't boot with anything but the newest 1.07a BIOS and eve with that im stuck at a multiplyer of 4. Also useung software programs to change the clocks beyond what they can be set to in the bios makes the computer extreemly unstable, a problem I havent had with desktop cpus. Guess I will have to wait for a new bios revision or get a new motherboard.

Anyone know of any boards that are known to work with Athlon 64 mobiles that have working locks?
 

peacefulmoi

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I'm interested in using the Cool 'n Quiet feature of the Athlon 64's. Do any or all of the 754 motherboards support this feature for the CG stepping mobile Athlon 64's?

I'm new to the forum, and I really appreciate Bar's detailed post.

Many thanks.
 

peacefulmoi

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I am interested in the mobile CG processors.

A post on another forum indicated that the desktop motherboards may not support Cool 'n Quiet on the mobile CG processors. He has a 3200+ DTR on an MSI K8T-FSR. Here's the quote:

"So far I cannot get the so-called Cool & Quiet to function. I have it enabled in the bios/power settings to Minimal control and manually installed the windows AMD64 driver. But no difference in speed.
I also tried Bios 1.6 and 1.71b and the latest version of the Core center which I believe is 1.65 or something like that. I did notice that the Windows Update did not show the AMD64 driver update as it does for Bartons and such so I wonder if these newer "DTR CG" Cpu's are in fact different by some way as to be incompatible thus far with current Cool & Quiet technology."

Many thanks for your quick response, Bar.
 

l3ored

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the 3200 is too expensive, so i'm looking at the 3000. it comes in a dtr and a 1.4v mobile, which should i get? the 1.4 is like 12 bucks cheaper
 

Bar81

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Originally posted by: peacefulmoi
I am interested in the mobile CG processors.

A post on another forum indicated that the desktop motherboards may not support Cool 'n Quiet on the mobile CG processors. He has a 3200+ DTR on an MSI K8T-FSR. Here's the quote:

"So far I cannot get the so-called Cool & Quiet to function. I have it enabled in the bios/power settings to Minimal control and manually installed the windows AMD64 driver. But no difference in speed.
I also tried Bios 1.6 and 1.71b and the latest version of the Core center which I believe is 1.65 or something like that. I did notice that the Windows Update did not show the AMD64 driver update as it does for Bartons and such so I wonder if these newer "DTR CG" Cpu's are in fact different by some way as to be incompatible thus far with current Cool & Quiet technology."

Many thanks for your quick response, Bar.


To my knowledge this combination is not possible. Cool n Quiet is a function solely ingrained into the desktop Athlon 64 CPUs. The mobile Athlon 64s to my knowledge use a variation of the PowerNow! AMD mobile technology to throttle CPU speed. Since the boards you want to use are desktop boards I wouldn't expect any board to ever support the PowerNow! technology of the mobile Athlon 64 CPUs.

On the point of Cool n Quiet, it's an overhyped function. I used and was decidedly unimpressed. Remember that this throttling does not come without a price. Personally, when I pay $200+ for a CPU I expect it to operate at top speed whenever I use any application, but Cool n Quiet does not allow that; rather it arbitrarily decides how much CPU power you need and throttles the CPU accordingly. While you may only "need" an 800mhz CPU for office applications, there is a difference in performance between .8Ghz and 2.0 Ghz for example, when opening an application. You lose the instant snap feeling. Granted it's not a huge difference but it matters to some people, including myself. Basically, don't worry about it, you're not missing anything.
 

Bar81

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Originally posted by: l3ored
the 3200 is too expensive, so i'm looking at the 3000. it comes in a dtr and a 1.4v mobile, which should i get? the 1.4 is like 12 bucks cheaper


Whichever is cheaper, they're the same chip.
 

l3ored

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Originally posted by: Bar81
Originally posted by: peacefulmoi
I am interested in the mobile CG processors.

A post on another forum indicated that the desktop motherboards may not support Cool 'n Quiet on the mobile CG processors. He has a 3200+ DTR on an MSI K8T-FSR. Here's the quote:

"So far I cannot get the so-called Cool & Quiet to function. I have it enabled in the bios/power settings to Minimal control and manually installed the windows AMD64 driver. But no difference in speed.
I also tried Bios 1.6 and 1.71b and the latest version of the Core center which I believe is 1.65 or something like that. I did notice that the Windows Update did not show the AMD64 driver update as it does for Bartons and such so I wonder if these newer "DTR CG" Cpu's are in fact different by some way as to be incompatible thus far with current Cool & Quiet technology."

Many thanks for your quick response, Bar.


To my knowledge this combination is not possible. Cool n Quiet is a function solely ingrained into the desktop Athlon 64 CPUs. The mobile Athlon 64s to my knowledge use a variation of the PowerNow! AMD mobile technology to throttle CPU speed. Since the boards you want to use are desktop boards I wouldn't expect any board to ever support the PowerNow! technology of the mobile Athlon 64 CPUs.

On the point of Cool n Quiet, it's an overhyped function. I used and was decidedly unimpressed. Remember that this throttling does not come without a price. Personally, when I pay $200+ for a CPU I expect it to operate at top speed whenever I use any application, but Cool n Quiet does not allow that; rather it arbitrarily decides how much CPU power you need and throttles the CPU accordingly. While you may only "need" an 800mhz CPU for office applications, there is a difference in performance between .8Ghz and 2.0 Ghz for example, when opening an application. You lose the instant snap feeling. Granted it's not a huge difference but it matters to some people, including myself. Basically, don't worry about it, you're not missing anything.

it doesnt work with overclocking anyway, so you wouldnt want it with a mobile
 
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Lower the stock votlage the better. The mobiles are cherry picked cores, they should OC higher/work at lower voltages. That is if it works in your board properly.
 

Diogenes2

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I have one of the 3200+ Mobiles working in the Chaintech VNF3.

I'm running the Beta BIOS, and here is how it went.


It initially booted with FSB = 200 and multiplier of 4.. ( 800 mhz, just like Bar81 reported )

The hardware monitor in the BIOS reported the core volts at .94


I set the volts to 1.45 ( lowest available ), changed the multi to 10 and the FSB to 230.


The chip was Prime stable for 8 hours at 2.3g and 1.45 volts..

Had to go to 1.65 v to get 2.4 stable, and was able to get 2.45 stable also..

It will run a pass of 3DMark at 2.5, but Prime95 craps in 5 minutes or less..

That's about it..

The downside, is that the VNF3 will not run 2 sticks of RAM at 1:1 and defaults
to 5:6..



So if they do not fix the BIOS on this real soon, The VNF3 will be going back,
and I will be reporting on how the mobile chip does in a Gigabyte GA-K8N Pro..




P.S. I had reported earlier that I was working with 2 DIMMS at 1:1 and 250 FSB..
Well, that went away when I cleared the CMOS for the new 3200+.. Now I seemed to be stuck at 5:6, just like others have reported.. Very curious that I was O.K. until I reset the CMOS..
 

Diogenes2

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Originally posted by: l3ored
sounds like dtrs oc better then, unless you think you got a lesser chip

I guess, If you get one that does.. ( overclock better... )
 

peacefulmoi

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Originally posted by: Bar81

To my knowledge this combination is not possible. Cool n Quiet is a function solely ingrained into the desktop Athlon 64 CPUs. The mobile Athlon 64s to my knowledge use a variation of the PowerNow! AMD mobile technology to throttle CPU speed. Since the boards you want to use are desktop boards I wouldn't expect any board to ever support the PowerNow! technology of the mobile Athlon 64 CPUs.

On the point of Cool n Quiet, it's an overhyped function. I used and was decidedly unimpressed. Remember that this throttling does not come without a price. Personally, when I pay $200+ for a CPU I expect it to operate at top speed whenever I use any application, but Cool n Quiet does not allow that; rather it arbitrarily decides how much CPU power you need and throttles the CPU accordingly. While you may only "need" an 800mhz CPU for office applications, there is a difference in performance between .8Ghz and 2.0 Ghz for example, when opening an application. You lose the instant snap feeling. Granted it's not a huge difference but it matters to some people, including myself. Basically, don't worry about it, you're not missing anything.

Thanks, Bar, for this very helpful post. The issue of Cool n Quiet reduced performance never entered my mind.

Since a major concern for me is a quiet system (minimum heat dissipation) am I correct in assuming that the Halt/Stop Grant functions (at least from Max P-State) would still apply to the DTR chip installed in a desktop motherboard?

Many thanks.
 

Bar81

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I assume that is the case. The Athlon 64s can be normally aircooled while maintaining a very quiet system. Outside of my X800 Pro (which I'm not keeping) I have a near silent system with an overclocked A64 and while it's always a delicate balancing act between heat and noise it can be done.
 

jkresh

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anyone know if the k8n-neo works with dtr's, still waiting on a reply from asus, and for the board to show up, but my desktop is dead, and i cant wait to long so if the neo works and the asus isnt coming out this week (and they dont reply) i may very well pick it up.
 
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