The Most Important Vote of My Lifetime

[senseamp]

Trump has no prior experience or history as a public servant.
There are no actions to speak of.

He has a history of outsourcing.

 

[Jhhnn]

His campaign has two rails. Border wall and attacking outsourcing.
Maybe I could shorten that to: Security and Jobs.

Are you going to claim that one, or both, of those is a fabrication? Still doesn't matter. Trump is saying what we want to hear.

GWB told conservatives what they wanted to hear, too. Then what happened?

The best part of it all is that even if you get Trump you won't get what he promises that he can't deliver w/o Congress.

Mexico sure as Hell isn't paying for a wall & Congress won't rescind current trade agreements, either.

So if you're voting for Trump for those reasons you're just indulging your fantasies.

 

[Texashiker]

Silicon Valley here, factories may come back, but not with many people, except maybe engineers designing the robots, aka liberal coastal elites. Thanks tho.

What people like yourself my not understand, people are still needed to produce products.

Look at foxconn in china. They make all kinds of stuff, stuff that can be made here in the usa. Made by people, not robots.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump has no prior experience or history as a public servant.
There are no actions to speak of.

What about the rest of his life? Can we draw no conclusions from that?

 

[senseamp]

What people like yourself my not understand, people are still needed to produce products.
Look at foxconn in china. They make all kinds of stuff, stuff that can be made here in the usa. Made by people, not robots.

Like this stuff?

In all seriousness, even Chinese labor is too expensive for Foxconn.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376966

Foxconn replaces '60,000 factory workers with robots'

Chinese labor cost is $20 per day. You can barely feed an American worker for that much, but then you have to get them health insurance, etc. Hell will freeze before these jobs are replaced by Americans.
These jobs will be given to robots, sorry, no dormitories with suicide nets for Americans, no matter what the Donald promises you.

 

[WelshBloke]

Even ignoring the candidates its a fairly important election.

There's China that wants to flex its territorial and trade muscles, Russian international ambitions, the Middle East is in the worst state in a long time, our main ally in the area (Saudi) is looking weaker and weaker, Europe is in a state of fluxe...

Whomever you vote for is going to have to negotiate through all that.

 

[Victorian Gray]

What people like yourself my not understand, people are still needed to produce products.

Look at foxconn in china. They make all kinds of stuff, stuff that can be made here in the usa. Made by people, not robots.

Are you and other Americans willing to work 12 hours a day 6 days a week? Give up meals to work forced overtime? Live in tightly controlled company dormitories? Work for $400/month?

Yeah, those factories will be back any day now.

 

[flexy]

Donald Duck, the poster child for wild capitalism, the guy who KNOWS BEST how to work capitalism and take advantage of globalism will totally replace many/all Chinese, Mexican, Indian etc. workers and work locations with American ones. Of course it will cost companies 100-1000x more then to produce goods, but it will totally happen, seeing how most corporates ONLY have the welfare of people in mind and not their profit. The entire US will become a paradise, with workers all making enormous amounts of money and no one having to live in poverty any longer. It's true, Trump says so!!

 

[senseamp]

It's far more likely that a lot of the remaining US jobs working class and blue collar jobs will be automated than that manufacturing jobs will come back from China.

 

[Jaskalas]

he can't deliver w/o Congress.

Your argument is to attack the notion of voting for President.
That doesn't hold up.

 

[zinfamous]

Trump has no prior experience or history as a public servant.
There are no actions to speak of.

His actions as a "businessman" you know--that thing that he does that he claims as some sort of experience to do this job that he is totally unqualified for?

he asks the American people to trust him because of his business experience. If the American people actually judged him honestly on how he conducts himself as a businessman, his only supporters would be his family.

 

[zinfamous]

What people like yourself my not understand, people are still needed to produce products.

Look at foxconn in china. They make all kinds of stuff, stuff that can be made here in the usa. Made by people, not robots.

There is no way that you believe any of this is in any way realistic.

 

[Sonikku]

I haven't ruled out the possibility that Trump walks off the stage in the home stretch, lambasting American voters, the two party system, American politics and his own supporters especially for being so caught up in partisanship and us vs them mentality that one in five of his own supporters think he'll start a nuclear war and support him still anyway. I hope he goes into great detail about how he did all of this wanting to see how far he could push it before Americans said enough was enough, with no manner of antics ending up being enough to push half of the American electorate away. I hope he walks off the stage claiming he hoped he has opened America's eyes to how broken their political system has become and how desperately we need to change, before exiting as the ultimate zen grandmaster of trolls.

 

[Victorian Gray]

His actions as a "businessman" you know--that thing that he does that he claims as some sort of experience to do this job that he is totally unqualified for?

he asks the American people to trust him because of his business experience. If the American people actually judged him honestly on how he conducts himself as a businessman, his only supporters would be his family.

I suspect that all the 'race realists' would still be there as well.

 

[Mursilis]

Finally, implicit in your statement is that you believe the smear campaign against the Clintons. Roger Angell and I, for two, do not.

Partisans continue to be partisans, I suppose. I'm continuously baffled by those who refuse to acknowledge the clear and obvious flaws in their own candidate for fear the other candidate will appear to be 'better' by comparison.

Clinton is a bad choice for the Democratic party, but I have no problem admitting she still is miles ahead of Trump. As DrDoug and others have pointed out, neither I nor the rest of the country have any real idea what Trump stands for (other than the interests of Trump himself) and I really don't want to turn over the power of the presidency to such an irrational and immature charlatan whose only clear talent is baiting suckers.

 

[Jhhnn]

I haven't ruled out the possibility that Trump walks off the stage in the home stretch, lambasting American voters, the two party system, American politics and his own supporters especially for being so caught up in partisanship and us vs them mentality that one in five of his own supporters think he'll start a nuclear war and support him still anyway. I hope he goes into great detail about how he did all of this wanting to see how far he could push it before Americans said enough was enough, with no manner of antics ending up being enough to push half of the American electorate away. I hope he walks off the stage claiming he hoped he has opened America's eyes to how broken their political system has become and how desperately we need to change, before exiting as the ultimate zen grandmaster of trolls.

The system isn't broken. People's headsets have been broken by decades of relentless right wing agitprop & negativity.

http://api.theweek.com/sites/default/files/Horsey_Tribune_5.jpg?resize=807x807

 

[senseamp]

What people like yourself my not understand, people are still needed to produce products.
Look at foxconn in china. They make all kinds of stuff, stuff that can be made here in the usa. Made by people, not robots.

Your party gave corporations right to spend unlimited amounts of money (aka free speech) on political ads, they will use it to write the laws that fit them, which means they get to build cheap in China and sell expensive to you in the US. Meanwhile, you got nothing.

 

[sportage]

THIS is all anyone need know about that debate AND about Trump...
#1. Trump admits he prefers not paying any taxes PLUS feels that will also help the future of his kids.
#2. Trump shockingly admitted he believes in full on Reagan economics trickle-down as the only solution.
And people say that Obama and Hillary have no new ideas.
Really Donald? Trickle-down? 1980?
Not only should every middle-classed American be shocked, they should be physical ill by Trump's words.

It should be no wonder to anyone that Trump believes in trickle-down, and wants to return to that era.
Even Reagan admitted later in life that his trickle-down theory did not work.
People REALLY need to pay attention here.
Trump said and believes giving the top 1% more tax cuts means they, the so called job creators, will add and create more jobs. History has proven that giving more tax cuts to the top only provides that top 1% with even more money to buy yachts, buy more luxury homes in Dubai, and most important to BUY ELECTIONS.

If the Koch brothers and the Walmart family were given more Trump tax breaks, they would not hire workers or expand business. The Koch's and the Walmart's would simply buy more elections, own more politicians.
And you know that, and they know that, and Donald Trump wants exactly that to happen.
We all know or should know by now, that whenever business wants to increase profits and cut costs, they fire people. Downsize employee staff.
THAT is how business owners operate.
How they believe as their best option for making even more profit.
Not to hire people but to fire people and cut staff.

That is why trickle-down has never worked nor will it ever.
And surprise surprise, Donald believes in full-on failed trickle-down economics.
Out of touch, out of his mind.
And every middle-classed American voter, and below poverty line middle-classed American voter, had better not even dare consider voting for Donald Trump.
If you do, then you are more ignorant than the combover roosting on Donald Trump's head.
And you would fully deserve what then happens to YOU and to your future under a president Donald Trump.
Plus... shame on you.

Giving the top 1% more tax breaks does not increase jobs or hiring.
All that does will cause local governments to increase local taxes to make up the loss in tax revenue.
Higher state and local property taxes, higher state sales tax, higher state personal tax i.e. car registration and licensing fees. And much higher gas taxes to fill those potholes and repair those roads.

Hillary is in no way perfect. But absolutely if you make under one million a year AND do not own your own business, in no way should you dare consider voting for Donald Trump.
Under trickle-down your state and local taxes would skyrocket, your wages stagnate even more that ever before, plus any stocks or retirement investments you might have would take a huge hit.
Bottom line, you the tax payer have less in your paycheck to take home.
That is, if your company doesn't downsize and eliminate YOUR job first.

Donald Trump said right there in front of millions that he totally believes in trickle-down.
Believes in giving the top 1% even more tax cuts.
Totally believes HE should pay no tax, but YOU the little guy should carry the full tax burden.
And totally believes doing THAT will help YOU, the middle-class in some flying unicorns / space aliens delusional way.
A major moment and admittance of self greed and self indulgence by one very delusional, out of touch billionaire, before millions of little people.
And personal reality check....
If you are not pulling down at least a few million a year, YOU too are indeed one those little people.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Trumps on a whole 'nother level of unbelievable ignorance mixed with unshakeablly smug arrogance. Nixon actually knew politics and diplomacy. Reagan did a lot of damage to our country, and Bush in one fell swoop (Iraq) even more, but, without much question, I'd . . . shudder . . . vote for either if it meant denying Trump the Oval Office. Believe me, I do not say that lightly.

This is the most important election in my lifetime as well. Also, it's worst, not worse. Bad, worse, worst. Believe me, you have plenty of company right on this forum in seemingly not knowing this. <shrug>

Finally, implicit in your statement is that you believe the smear campaign against the Clintons. Roger Angell and I, for two, do not.

I don't believe it either. Nothing I have read leads me to believe any of it is true so you really need to just discount it at that point.

I will be casting my vote for Hillary Clinton.