The Most Important Vote of My Lifetime

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Blanky

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Monday will be fun
If we can agree on anything, at least this. I won't miss this debate for the world.

In an ideal world both candidates would get into a physical fight and each party would be forced to pick somebody else.
 
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squarecut1

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The left has known for years that the right hates her, but they chose her anyway. They were never interested in a candidate who appealed to the entire nation. They chose hillary in part because the right hates her.

I think you are overestimating the motivations, which isn't there. A more simple explanation of Hillary being the nominee is that the Democratic party is just as corrupt and full of sleaze than the Republican one. In fact it can be argued that in many major cities of the country, the D party is even more corrupt.
 
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DrDoug

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you guys and your perceived superiority and importance are a riot...keep em coming as last time I checked the most important thing in my life is the perception of my posts and or worth on this board...lol.

Again I will love to stop by should he win and watch folks like those contributing in this thread thinking anyone truly cares about their opinions on the matter freak out over it.

That "superiority" that you think you perceive is actually maturity, that's all it is. Children don't understand maturity and resent the fact that adults tell them that they need to grow up when they refuse to act their age. BTW, if Trump wins then Trump wins, we deserve him and everything that comes with him and that's it. No leaving the country, no panic on my part or the like because nothing I say or do would change anything, so why lose sleep over it. If Hillary wins, she wins and Trump slinks away into the dust bin of history.

So go ahead and act out, kid...
 
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Jhhnn

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Strictly speaking he's right. You can't really call a guy cheating on his wife a success for the wife, can you?

Strictly speaking, Gennifer probably won't be there. It's the old bait & switch, a Trump favorite.

And you're following right along with it, huh?
 

Jhhnn

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I think you are overestimating the motivations, which isn't there. A more simple explanation of Hillary being the nominee is that the Democratic party is just as corrupt and full of sleaze than the Republican one. In fact it can be argued that in many major cities of the country, the D party is even more corrupt.

It's not like Dems are peddling the old trickle down economics snake oil is it?

Donald is all about that, and deregulated finance, too. What could go wrong?

I mean again, like the Ownership Society. Like the S&L fiasco.
 

DrDoug

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Strictly speaking, Gennifer probably won't be there. It's the old bait & switch, a Trump favorite.

And you're following right along with it, huh?

Pence is already saying that she won't be there and that Trump was only "mocking" Hillary. and not only that, one of Trump's nutty advisers wants Cuban out because "He's not a legitimate person."

So Trump isn't getting Flowers for Hillary but Hillary is going to be nice anyway and get Trump a big Cuban to suck on at the debate.
 

Jhhnn

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Pence is already saying that she won't be there and that Trump was only "mocking" Hillary. and not only that, one of Trump's nutty advisers wants Cuban out because "He's not a legitimate person."

So Trump isn't getting Flowers for Hillary but Hillary is going to be nice anyway and get Trump a big Cuban to suck on at the debate.

Well, it's probably not too smart to bring in a home wrecking jezebel for moral support...

Not for the female half of the electorate, I suspect.
 

Genx87

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Every vote is the most important in our lifetime. I have a prediction. In 2020 that will be the most important vote in our lifetime.
 

Roflmouth

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Since around 2000, I've also felt that every election is increasingly more important of my lifetime. I don't think it's hyperbole.

In 2004, we had a president who had led us into Iraq for really no reason at all. It was not going well, and he was absolutely resolute in his conviction. Gotta 'stay the course' no matter what. He and his cronies even thought they would actually win the 2006 mid-terms. That's how delusional they were. Dick Cheney continues to troll today.

In 2008, we had a candidate who was clearly itching to not only expand our presence in Iraq, but also possibly go into Iran. And then there was his VP candidate, a clueless and complete moron. Since the primary candidate was an older guy who had taken a lot of abuse in his life, this couldn't be ignored.

In 2012, a guy who wanted to turn back the clock to the crap that had gotten us into the 2008 financial crisis AKA the Great Recession. Didn't give a shit about or even realize there were people out there making less than $250,000 a year. He basically called them leeches. Unemployment was still high, but improving. He claimed all we had to do was lower taxes on the upper class and the jobs would come raining down.

In 2016, holy shit. That's all that has to be said. The Republicans have basically created and encouraged a culture of proud ignorance that believes in things like birtherism.

I don't actually consider myself a Democrat,

Sure you do.
 

fskimospy

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Every vote is the most important in our lifetime. I have a prediction. In 2020 that will be the most important vote in our lifetime.

Meh. I didn't think the 2012 election was the most important of my lifetime, although I did think it was important. While Mitt Romney had some pretty foolish policy ideas I'm sure he would have executed the office competently enough. I have no such confidence with Trump, do you?

It seems like people are trying to convince themselves a Trump presidency wouldn't be a disaster because he will either be too lazy to be significantly involved or they hope he's been lying about what he'll do the whole time. Neither one of those is particularly comforting, haha.
 

Genx87

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Meh. I didn't think the 2012 election was the most important of my lifetime, although I did think it was important. While Mitt Romney had some pretty foolish policy ideas I'm sure he would have executed the office competently enough. I have no such confidence with Trump, do you?

It seems like people are trying to convince themselves a Trump presidency wouldn't be a disaster because he will either be too lazy to be significantly involved or they hope he's been lying about what he'll do the whole time. Neither one of those is particularly comforting, haha.

Heh my response was tongue in cheek. If one were to listen to the media, politicians, talk\radio\opinion shows. Every election is the most important of our lifetime. To say it is the most important in our lifetime means nothing in my eyes. Because in 4 years that election to these people will be the most important of our lifetime.

I have confidence if Trump is elected the anti-war anti-torture anti-govt spying left will re-emerge from the shadows after 8 years of near silence. That would be the only positive of a Trump administration. Otherwise it will be a total disaster.
 

fskimospy

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Heh my response was tongue in cheek. If one were to listen to the media, politicians, talk\radio\opinion shows. Every election is the most important of our lifetime. To say it is the most important in our lifetime means nothing in my eyes. Because in 4 years that election to these people will be the most important of our lifetime.

Haha, that I will definitely agree with.
 

Genx87

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Too bad you don't agree with the second part. Shame because you'd be the prime example of it.

I wrote that after my initial reply. So he may not have seen it. And in eskimospys defense. He has maintained the stance democrats have hurt their brand with how the Obama admin has acted with regards to our civil liberties.
 

nakedfrog

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It still stuns me that one of the candidates is the guy that assured us all that he does NOT have a small penis while up on the debate stage.
I kinda figure some time between now and when President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho gets elected, we'll just strip away the veneer and jump straight to a literal dick-measuring contest.
 
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Jhhnn

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how the Obama admin has acted with regards to our civil liberties.

And that would be how, exactly?

It's easy enough to pontificate with bullshit word salad but an entirely different matter to say something that actually means anything. You should try it for a change.
 

Genx87

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It still stuns me that one of the candidates is the guy that assured us all that he does NOT have a small penis while up on the debate stage.
I kinda figure some time between now and when President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho gets elected, we'll just strip away the veneer and jump straight to a literal dick-measuring contest.

5 times Ultimate Smack Down champion
Pr0n super star
And President of the United States of America.
 

Genx87

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And that would be how, exactly?

It's easy enough to pontificate with bullshit word salad but an entirely different matter to say something that actually means anything. You should try it for a change.

Well killing us without a trial for starters. You forgot the domestic spying program? Or do you want to forgot it? Libya? That worked out well. Syria? No more boots on the ground in Iraq except for the thousands of troops there.
 

emperus

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I'm curious as to what those that think that Trump is the worst ever will actually do? He's an unbelievably bad candidate imo but that's exactly why he has the support he does - not racism, ignorance, fear mongering, etc but a desire to disrupt the status quo in DC by whatever means possible.

What will Trump do or not do in your opinion that makes this the most important vote ever?

This question reads like someone who missed the Bush presidency. Bush is a testament for a candidate that has no intellectual curiosity and little policy understanding and what could possible happen.
 

Jhhnn

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Well killing us without a trial for starters. You forgot the domestic spying program? Or do you want to forgot it? Libya? That worked out well. Syria? No more boots on the ground in Iraq except for the thousands of troops there.

Only one of those reference civil rights, your original point of contention.

It's not like Americans who fought for the Nazis were treated any differently than other Axis combatants, is it? Should we care at all about the nationality of insurgents fighting to overthrow a regime we support?

I think not, but it depends on how far you can get your head out into the weeds, I suppose.

Domestic spying? That's GWB's baby & if you think any Prez won't use it if they have it then you're delusional. They have to, otherwise they're open to charges of dereliction in the event of terrorist attack.

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/how-it-works

It's no surprise that Strongman Trump supports even more of the same, particularly wrt American Muslims-

http://truthinmedia.com/trump-supports-reauthorizing-patriot-act-nsa-metadata-collection/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/politics/donald-trump-muslims-mosque-surveillance/

The truth is that the Obama Admin has held the line on a variety of civil libertarian issues & advanced others, notably those of gays & cannabis users.
 
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