The Muslimication Of America - Detroit Suburb OKs Amplified "Call For Prayer"

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Good lord, talk about bitching just to bitch. It rings for what 5 times for maybe 30 seconds? I hope you don't live next to any schools, fire departments or the such then. Give it a rest Dave.

Not sure where you are going talking about Schools but I can speak for Fire Depts.

Normally in a Volunteer Fire Dept driven town it used to be common to use the Siren on top of the Fire Dept building to sound for when there is a call, 12 Noon and for Warning such as a Tornado etc.

In fact the Fire Dept I was in for 8 years we sounded the Siren for 6 short burts letting us know it is a call for the Ambulance unit only, so if you were a Fireman only you would not go to the Firehouse. If it was sounded for 3 long burts you knew it was a General Fire Call or Auto Accident etc, if it was 6 long bursts you knew it was a Major Call such as a confirmed working Fire.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Good lord, talk about bitching just to bitch. It rings for what 5 times for maybe 30 seconds? I hope you don't live next to any schools, fire departments or the such then. Give it a rest Dave.

Not sure where you are going talking about Schools but I can speak for Fire Depts.

Normally in a Volunteer Fire Dept driven town it used to be common to use the Siren on top of the Fire Dept building to sound for when there is a call, 12 Noon and for Warning such as a Tornado etc.

In fact the Fire Dept I was in for 8 years we sounded the Siren for 6 short burts letting us know it is a call for the Ambulance unit only, so if you were a Fireman only you would not go to the Firehouse. If it was sounded for 3 long burts you knew it was a General Fire Call or Auto Accident etc, if it was 6 long bursts you knew it was a Major Call such as a confirmed working Fire.

I think he was going here about schools Dave:

I can hear the bells from the local public school at 1pm calling them back from lunch even though I live more than 2-3 blocks away... does that mean those are offensive too?

I guess I should've added the morning bell, and recess bells to that too...

There's lots of things that make noise; I don't see how this is any different from anything else. They aren't calling you to prayer unless you believe you have an obligation to observe the muslim prayer schedule, which wouldn't make sense as it sounds like you aren't a muslim...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Good lord, talk about bitching just to bitch. It rings for what 5 times for maybe 30 seconds? I hope you don't live next to any schools, fire departments or the such then. Give it a rest Dave.

Not sure where you are going talking about Schools but I can speak for Fire Depts.

Normally in a Volunteer Fire Dept driven town it used to be common to use the Siren on top of the Fire Dept building to sound for when there is a call, 12 Noon and for Warning such as a Tornado etc.

In fact the Fire Dept I was in for 8 years we sounded the Siren for 6 short burts letting us know it is a call for the Ambulance unit only, so if you were a Fireman only you would not go to the Firehouse. If it was sounded for 3 long burts you knew it was a General Fire Call or Auto Accident etc, if it was 6 long bursts you knew it was a Major Call such as a confirmed working Fire.

I think he was going here about schools Dave:

I can hear the bells from the local public school at 1pm calling them back from lunch even though I live more than 2-3 blocks away... does that mean those are offensive too?

I guess I should've added the morning bell, and recess bells to that too...

There's lots of things that make noise; I don't see how this is any different from anything else. They aren't calling you to prayer unless you believe you have an obligation to observe the muslim prayer schedule, which wouldn't make sense as it sounds like you aren't a muslim...

School is public (ye I know there are private schools too)

Church is private, blaring a call for prayer into the public air for private purpose = No Sir, does not fly. :thumbsdown:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Perknose
If it involves as many virgins as I've heard, Muslimify me, baby!

I do want details, though. Is the Shia Muslimication ritual markedly different from the Sunni? I've heard it's more rigorous and includes significantly more Muslimifying. Will we soon hear the young, hip and Muslimified saying things like, "You can call me anything, my delicate be-burkahed oasis flower, just don't call me late for morning prayers." With Muslims taking over, will the term "religious rug" no longer refer to Jim Bakker's hairpiece?

Lastly, I can't wait to hear the Dub tackle pronouncing "Muslimication". Handicappers, what do you think the over/under on extra syllables will be?

"I can't wait to hear the Dub tackle pronouncing "Muslimication".

He couldn't even think of the word much less try and pronounce it.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Good lord, talk about bitching just to bitch. It rings for what 5 times for maybe 30 seconds? I hope you don't live next to any schools, fire departments or the such then. Give it a rest Dave.

Not sure where you are going talking about Schools but I can speak for Fire Depts.

Normally in a Volunteer Fire Dept driven town it used to be common to use the Siren on top of the Fire Dept building to sound for when there is a call, 12 Noon and for Warning such as a Tornado etc.

In fact the Fire Dept I was in for 8 years we sounded the Siren for 6 short burts letting us know it is a call for the Ambulance unit only, so if you were a Fireman only you would not go to the Firehouse. If it was sounded for 3 long burts you knew it was a General Fire Call or Auto Accident etc, if it was 6 long bursts you knew it was a Major Call such as a confirmed working Fire.

I think he was going here about schools Dave:

I can hear the bells from the local public school at 1pm calling them back from lunch even though I live more than 2-3 blocks away... does that mean those are offensive too?

I guess I should've added the morning bell, and recess bells to that too...

There's lots of things that make noise; I don't see how this is any different from anything else. They aren't calling you to prayer unless you believe you have an obligation to observe the muslim prayer schedule, which wouldn't make sense as it sounds like you aren't a muslim...

School is public (ye I know there are private schools too)

Church is private, blaring a call for prayer into the public air for private purpose = No Sir, does not fly. :thumbsdown:

I can't tell what you're arguing with... if you're simply pointing out a 'relevent dissimilarity' I would question the relevence, but it's true some schools with bells are publicly owned and operated.

You've clearly stated that you aren't opposed to Church bells though, and they are clearly used for private purposes, not public.

I just can't see how you find a line to stand on between Christian bells and muslim ones.

 

[CanOWorms]

brown people bad!!!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Good lord, talk about bitching just to bitch. It rings for what 5 times for maybe 30 seconds? I hope you don't live next to any schools, fire departments or the such then. Give it a rest Dave.

Not sure where you are going talking about Schools but I can speak for Fire Depts.

Normally in a Volunteer Fire Dept driven town it used to be common to use the Siren on top of the Fire Dept building to sound for when there is a call, 12 Noon and for Warning such as a Tornado etc.

In fact the Fire Dept I was in for 8 years we sounded the Siren for 6 short burts letting us know it is a call for the Ambulance unit only, so if you were a Fireman only you would not go to the Firehouse. If it was sounded for 3 long burts you knew it was a General Fire Call or Auto Accident etc, if it was 6 long bursts you knew it was a Major Call such as a confirmed working Fire.

I think he was going here about schools Dave:

I can hear the bells from the local public school at 1pm calling them back from lunch even though I live more than 2-3 blocks away... does that mean those are offensive too?

I guess I should've added the morning bell, and recess bells to that too...

There's lots of things that make noise; I don't see how this is any different from anything else. They aren't calling you to prayer unless you believe you have an obligation to observe the muslim prayer schedule, which wouldn't make sense as it sounds like you aren't a muslim...

School is public (ye I know there are private schools too)

Church is private, blaring a call for prayer into the public air for private purpose = No Sir, does not fly. :thumbsdown:

I can't tell what you're arguing with... if you're simply pointing out a 'relevent dissimilarity' I would question the relevence, but it's true some schools with bells are publicly owned and operated.

You've clearly stated that you aren't opposed to Church bells though, and they are clearly used for private purposes, not public.

I just can't see how you find a line to stand on between Christian bells and muslim ones.

If all Church Bells signifying what time it is on the clock and not a certain "private religion" are truly a problem then ban them as well.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674If all Church Bells signifying what time it is on the clock and not a certain "private religion" are truly a problem then ban them as well.

I thought America was the land of the free?

I personally don't have a problem with church bells, school bells, or calls to prayer. They are more than welcome in my neighborhood.

I think I see where you're coming from here, but it's dangerously close to simply asking for structuralized discrimination. One might easily argue that church bells ringing out the hours are not providing a legitimate public service in the age of the $1 wristwatch.

 

[Kibbo]

It may be different where you are, I know you Americans arn't as pious as up here in Canada, but up here church bells also ring when peeople are married.

I think the big problem you have is that you can't be an American without being Christian. I mean, it's in your constitution, right? So your position is very reasonable.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
It may be different where you are, I know you Americans arn't as pious as up here in Canada, but up here church bells also ring when peeople are married.

I think the big problem you have is that you can't be an American without being Christian. I mean, it's in your constitution, right? So your position is very reasonable.

Excuse me? Please expand upon your justification of this belief.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Kibbo
It may be different where you are, I know you Americans arn't as pious as up here in Canada, but up here church bells also ring when peeople are married.

I think the big problem you have is that you can't be an American without being Christian. I mean, it's in your constitution, right? So your position is very reasonable.

Excuse me? Please expand upon your justification of this belief.

Please check your meter.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: dmcowen674If all Church Bells signifying what time it is on the clock and not a certain "private religion" are truly a problem then ban them as well.

I thought America was the land of the free?

I personally don't have a problem with church bells, school bells, or calls to prayer. They are more than welcome in my neighborhood.

I think I see where you're coming from here, but it's dangerously close to simply asking for structuralized discrimination. One might easily argue that church bells ringing out the hours are not providing a legitimate public service in the age of the $1 wristwatch.

"I thought America was the land of the free?"

It used to be. Now it is whoever has the most money and most influence over Government gets their way.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Obviously you are uninformed. The five calls vary in time because Muslims use the lunar calendar. They are a time keeper b/c Muslims pray five times a day. They are a call for prayer in so much as they let people know what time they need to pray and have nothing to do with prosletyzing as you seem to be suggesting.

the difference is... Church bells dont call people to church. they give the time, and are used in celebration like when i was in germany when the germans won the world cup. Every fricken church bell in the country were going off.

the difference is... Church bells dont call people to church.

You obviously know nothing about Islam. The call for prayer calls MUSLIMS to the mosque to pray at the CORRECT time. It is not an invite of any kind. Besides, it's in Arabic, are you suggesting non Muslims are going to try and figure out what it is saying and then go to the mosque to be "Muslimified"?

Well for starters, you ASSume wrong, I've worked side by side with a ton of Muslims with the Prayer call that pops up on their Laptops and in addition to their smoking breaks, take these breaks as well where they go and place their rugs on the floor and all pray together at these times.

So apparently we now must have these "Calls" blaring atop every Mosque built now huh???

Listen to yourself, the ton of MUSLIMS you work with go and pray, who else is getting "Muslimified"??? (haha, i love that term). And are the calls being broadcast on every mosque? Michingan has one of the largest Muslim populations in America, they had a vote, they got their way. Calm down buddy, no one is going to come to your house and force you to convert.

These Mosques are getting built in every neighborhood in the Country whether there is a "large" Muslim population or not. Let's see how you feel after one is built a few houses from your house and you hear it all day long day after day.

Not only is there one close to my house, I've lived in Malaysia and Saudi Arabia (cant get any more calls for prayer than over there). That's why I think you're being ridiculous. It's irritating, agreed, but there is no "Muslimication" going on, as you suggest. If you're not Muslim, it is nothing more than an annoyance, JUST like church bells. And where are you getting this whole "These Mosques are getting built in every neighborhood in the Country whether there is a "large" Muslim population or not"? Do you have any statistics or is this more Islamophobic paranoia?

I'm still waiting for Dave to get back to me on this one...
I agree with you on a lot of things, but I cannot see where you're getting any of this from.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

I'm still waiting for Dave to get back to me on this one...
I agree with you on a lot of things, but I cannot see where you're getting any of this from.

Get back to you on what??? Simply driving around and seeing new Mosoques being built all over the place?

 

[dmcowen674]

We're talking about Bells Vs Loudspeakers blaring a humans voice calling for prayer.

Apples and Oranges.

Guess I'll build a giant tower with a Loudspeaker and blaringly announce everytime I make a post here on AT, qualifies as a religion for me right, since I post religously.

 

[kage69]

Funny, I haven't seen one in almost 4 years.

 

[freegeeks]

I don't see the problem

you can buy earplugs

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: kage69
Funny, I haven't seen one in almost 4 years.

A post from Dave?

You must be kidding

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

I'm still waiting for Dave to get back to me on this one...
I agree with you on a lot of things, but I cannot see where you're getting any of this from.

Get back to you on what??? Simply driving around and seeing new Mosoques being built all over the place?

Hey, youre the one who said "These Mosques are getting built in every neighborhood in the Country whether there is a "large" Muslim population or not. " Don't pull stuff out of your ass if you don't know what the hell your'e talking about. And like I said, you don't seem to know or are able to comprehend the significance of the call for prayer. I thought you were smarter than that.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Hey, youre the one who said "These Mosques are getting built in every neighborhood in the Country whether there is a "large" Muslim population or not. " Don't pull stuff out of your ass if you don't know what the hell your'e talking about. And like I said, you don't seem to know or are able to comprehend the significance of the call for prayer. I thought you were smarter than that.

I don't care about the "significance of the call for prayer". I'm strictly talking about the infrigment on my right to the public air not being filled with religiousness beyond's it's walls.

Let's have all the Indian Tribes in America erect Towers with Loudspeakers blaring their chants.

Let's have all the Catholic Churches add Louspeakers blaring the Pope's daily musings.

and so on and so on. It's the precedent being set here...

 

[kage69]

A post from Dave?

Heh...mosques you tit!


In his defense, he isn't the news whore he used to be.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
I don't see the problem

you can buy earplugs

And pig fat makes even the cheap ones slide right in.

 

[kage69]

I'm strictly talking about the infrigment on my right to the public air not being filled with religiousness beyond's it's walls

Anyone else just loving the irony here? :laugh:

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
We're talking about Bells Vs Loudspeakers blaring a humans voice calling for prayer.

Apples and Oranges.

Guess I'll build a giant tower with a Loudspeaker and blaringly announce everytime I make a post here on AT, qualifies as a religion for me right, since I post religously.

This would crack me up. If I had the video production (or even flash) skills, I'd put together a movie

 

[JHutch]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I don't care about the "significance of the call for prayer". I'm strictly talking about the infrigment on my right to the public air not being filled with religiousness beyond's it's walls.

Geez, Dave. Most church bells are ALSO used for religious purposes. For instance, there is a catholic church a few hundred yards from my house. Guess what gets played every Sunday morning? Church bells.

Guess what gets played every day during the Christmas holidays at noon? A christmas carol.

I'm not Catholic. Heck, I'm not even Christian (Baha'i if you're curious). Those bells ARE a religious usage, but I've never complained. Now, if the silly things went off loud enough to wake my 5 month old from her nap, me and the padre are gonna have words... but until then, live and let live, man!

JHutch