The Nail In Obamacare's Coffin

shady28

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Obamacare was expecting between 2 and 7 million people to enroll.

So far they've had about 750,000 accounts created. The last I read, about 150,000 enrolled.

But 16 million are losing their healthcare.

This program is destroying healthcare in the United States, not expanding it.

Responsible people who have had healthcare will die because of this law. This is a failure on a scale that the USA has, to my knowledge, never before seen.


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/58821

"Because the Obama administration's regulations on grandfathering existing plans were so stringent about 85% of those, 16 million, are not grandfathered and must comply with Obamacare at their next renewal. "

http://www.chicagotribune.com/featu...states-have-had-their-20131024,0,772318.story

"More Americans In 3 States Have Had Their Insurance Canceled Under ObamaCare Than Have Filed An Exchange Account In All 50"



EPIC FAIL
 

spacejamz

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But he can blame it on the website failures, right? Sounds pretty convenient to me...
 

DucatiMonster696

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/whistlinginconspicuously

Report: Obama administration knew millions wouldn't be able to keep insurance

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-adminis...able-to-keep-insurance--report-222249311.html

Before the Affordable Care Act became law in 2010, President Obama promised Americans they could keep their healthcare plan if they liked it. But already hundreds of thousands of citizens are receiving notification that their plans are being cancelled because they don't comply with the new law, and, according to NBC News, the Obama administration has known for at least three years the cancellations were coming.

While campaigning for health care reform in 2009, Obama went out of his way to make one thing perfectly clear: if you like your current health care plan, you will be able to keep it.

On June 15, 2009, Obama said this: "We will keep this promise to the American people. If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan. Period.”

In 2012, he echoed that sentiment, saying, "“If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”

However, many are finding that not to be the case. More than 300,000 cancellation notices have been sent out in Florida, according to Kaiser Health News, and another 180,000 in California. In New Jersey, the number of cancellations tops 800,000, the Star-Ledger reports.

According to NBC News, approximately 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million Americans who buy their health insurance individually should expect to receive a cancellation letter over the next year "because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law."

This could result in millions of Americans being forced to purchase different policies, potentially at higher premiums.

So how did the Obama administration know the cancellations would be coming?

The Affordable Care Act states that people who had health insurance prior to March 23, 2010 – the day President Obama signed the bill into law – will be able to keep those policies even if they don't meet the requirements of the new law. However, the Department of Health and Human Services tightened that provision, so that "if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered," NBC News reports.

Because the market for individual insurance experiences significant turnover, the insinuation is the Obama administration had to have known many policies "grandfathered" in would not qualify for the ACA. NBC News claims that the administration knew in 2010 that "more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them."

“This says that when they made the promise [that individuals could keep their plans], they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” Robert Laszewski of Health Policy and Strategy Associates told NBC News.

Monday, former Obama adviser David Axelrod said on MSNBC's Morning Joe that "most people are going to keep their own plan." When asked about Axelrod's admission of "most" as opposed to all, White House spokesman Jay Carney acknowledge that some individual's plans will be cancelled, but countered that the plans they switch to will be better and affordable.

"What the president said and what everybody said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to create minimum standards of coverage," Carney said. "… So it's true that there are existing health-care plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act."

Actually, what the President said back in 2009 was "[the Affordable Care Act] is for people who aren’t happy with their current plan. If you like what you’re getting, keep it. Nobody is forcing you to shift."

Only now, some who like their plans are being forced, including Laszewski. According to NBC News, he has a so-called "Cadillac plan" – "the best health insurance policy you can buy," he said – but recently received notice in the mail that it was being cancelled.
 
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Angry Irishman

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How can this be true? I was given a pamphlet to read and my opinion was swayed on this very forum. Hopefully people will start to learn to think for themselves and get off the political party tit for awhile.
 

AViking

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Isn't this thread kinda worthless until the deadline to have insurance or pay the penalty?
 

AViking

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"because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law."

What does that mean?

Besides I had my insurance "cancelled" multiple times by Blue Cross. Always something that needed to change and my premiums increased.
 

AViking

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I like how NBC is trying to argue semantics. As if healthcare plans that don't meet your minimum standards are acceptable.

What are the minimum standards?
 

michal1980

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I like how NBC is trying to argue semantics. As if healthcare plans that don't meet your minimum standards are acceptable.

What are the minimum standards?

Semantics? LOL.

Obama said if you like you plan you can keep it.

There was no * next to his statements.
 

1prophet

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That's what is supposed to happen.

The lost care will be replaced by increased coverage. Single men will get newborn baby care and 70 year old women will finally get free contraceptives and abortions.:awe:
 

AViking

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I'll repeat the question. What are the minimum standards that these cancelled insurance policies were unable to meet?
 

AViking

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Here are the minimum standards

1. Must cover a strong set of comprehensive benefits

2. Provide good value by limiting the amount of money paid out of pocket

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CPA

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I like how NBC is trying to argue semantics. As if healthcare plans that don't meet your minimum standards are acceptable.

What are the minimum standards?

It's not minimum standards, it's maximum standards. "Cadillac" plans are being cancelled.
 

AViking

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Yes there is one guy, Robert Laszewski, who claims that. He works for Health Policy and Strategy Associates whose clients are health insurance companies.

It's probably in his best interest to complain about ACA.

Fact check. I know we can all do it.
 

Doppel

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I like how NBC is trying to argue semantics. As if healthcare plans that don't meet your minimum standards are acceptable.

What are the minimum standards?
Oh for shame.

You are the one arguing semantics. Obama said people could keep their plans if they liked them. It's a very simple statement with a simple meaning. Millions won't be able to. And yet you pretend somehow that he was not wrong. Now who's arguing semantics?

You are changing the question. Nobody gives a shit what the minimum standards are as they are relevant to this matter, which is that people wanted to keep their plans but can't. You're doing the equivalent of a wife who's told her husband not to get drunk and not to sleep around and when he's caught sleeping around he keeps trying to change attention to the fact that, victoriously, he doesn't drink anymore.

Your logical fallacy is that the matter of keeping plans is made irrelevant by the fact that new plans are better (which is of course not only subjective and pedagogic but also completely immaterial to whether plans can be kept or not).
Fact check. I know we can all do it.
You can't.
 
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AViking

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Yes he should have said that Americans could have private health insurance plans. That would have been accurate. The new law had minimum standards and obviously anything with less is not going to work. If ACA was a better bill maybe it would have mandated that insurance companies change plans to cover the minimum standards rather than just cancel everyone. Not sure if that would work since I don't know how much that would cost insurance companies but the model we have had in the states is that insurance companies maximize their profit and not their healthcare coverage. Having private insurance for something everyone needs and will regularly use is a far cry from something like auto insurance and life insurance. We need to abandon that system but we have a half measure for now.
 

nehalem256

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Yes there is one guy, Robert Laszewski, who claims that. He works for Health Policy and Strategy Associates whose clients are health insurance companies.

It's probably in his best interest to complain about ACA.

Fact check. I know we can all do it.

Funny, I thought liberals complained before that Obamacare was a massive subsidy for health insurance companies?:hmm:
 

Doppel

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Yes he should have said that Americans could have private health insurance plans. That would have been accurate. The new law had minimum standards and obviously anything with less is not going to work. If ACA was a better bill maybe it would have mandated that insurance companies change plans to cover the minimum standards rather than just cancel everyone. Not sure if that would work since I don't know how much that would cost insurance companies but the model we have had in the states is that insurance companies maximize their profit and not their healthcare coverage. Having private insurance for something everyone needs and will regularly use is a far cry from something like auto insurance and life insurance. We need to abandon that system but we have a half measure for now.
You keep trying to skirt the question. It's really sad to watch.

Was he wrong or not in that everybody could keep their insurance if they wanted it? This is a simple yes or no, and as I mentioned elsewhere, there's no real motivation for you to lie about it like Jay Carney does because you aren't on pay roll. Your honesty is free.
 

AViking

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Why the fuck would anyone want to keep these shitty insurance plans?

The new law will provide better coverage for around the same price.

Lots of these plans being cancelled are those that charged a premium to cover people with preexisting conditions. The law nullifies these policies. Others had insurance that only had limited coverage. The law does away with all of that.

So once again, who gives a shit besides partisan hacks? I for one only care about healthcare coverage improving and our standard of living increasing.
 
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