The NBA really is rigged

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: KeypoX
seems like it is rigged i can't believe the bullshit that celtics are getting away with. And they are calling every little thing on lakers

You're not watching tonight's game then.

 

[KeypoX]

god they dont call shit on celtics this is bullcrap! not that i give a crap about nba but it sucks to watch this game get decided by the refs

 

[KeypoX]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: KeypoX
seems like it is rigged i can't believe the bullshit that celtics are getting away with. And they are calling every little thing on lakers

You're not watching tonight's game then.

um yeah dude in the 3rd they had like 3 fouls, its ugly and it seems the players know it, but if they say something they get in trouble.

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: KeypoX
seems like it is rigged i can't believe the bullshit that celtics are getting away with. And they are calling every little thing on lakers

You're not watching tonight's game then.

well, i wouldnt say that the refs are too sensitive on lakers defense, but they are letting far too much get away for the celtics

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: KeypoX
seems like it is rigged i can't believe the bullshit that celtics are getting away with. And they are calling every little thing on lakers

not in game 3, its the other way around....

 

[KeypoX]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: dbk
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3436401 They rigged the Mavs/Rockets series in 05 as well (allegedly)

no way, it's t-mac's fault


anyway, even if the guy is completely uncredible, he is saying exactly what a lot of people who've stopped watching the NBA think.

there are probably even more people who stopped watching because of officiating regardless of if there is a conspiracy or not. refs across the court and with no angle to the play should not be blowing whistles. players should not be able to run the ball like a running back without getting called for a carry or travel. guards and big men should be officiated the same way. calls that could easily go either way should be either not called at all or called for a jump ball or a double foul and inbound to the last team with possession. flopping should be cracked down on hard. guys who have threatened to fight star players should not be officiating said player's games. the NBA has done very little to address very real concerns about the officiating, and they are losing potential fans because of it.

The funny thing is that people start calling it a "conspiracy" but the problem is its not a conspiracy. Maybe it is a lie, but not a conspiracy, and who is to say that this guy is lying. It will get washed under the table as this guy was sore, but maybe hes not just sore and he is telling the truth.
I guess we will never know and of course he will be portrayed as a liar and a cheater.

 

[JJChicken]

Woah this not the 2008 NBA thread. sorry for thread crapping!

 

[KeypoX]

i dont think this game was setup or anything but we need better refs, i just think they are to stupid to do there jobs.

 

[KillerCharlie]

Who cares, it's just a form of entertainment like TV and movies. Is anyone actually surprised?

 

[Killerme33]

It's interesting how some of you guys all saw these terrible calls on Saturday, considering there was no game on Saturday.

In all honesty, this is not too surprising.

 

[JS80]

Gawd watching the refs during that game was like watching the media rooting on Obama

 

[venkman]

Originally posted by: KeypoX

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: dbk
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3436401 They rigged the Mavs/Rockets series in 05 as well (allegedly)

no way, it's t-mac's fault


anyway, even if the guy is completely uncredible, he is saying exactly what a lot of people who've stopped watching the NBA think.

there are probably even more people who stopped watching because of officiating regardless of if there is a conspiracy or not. refs across the court and with no angle to the play should not be blowing whistles. players should not be able to run the ball like a running back without getting called for a carry or travel. guards and big men should be officiated the same way. calls that could easily go either way should be either not called at all or called for a jump ball or a double foul and inbound to the last team with possession. flopping should be cracked down on hard. guys who have threatened to fight star players should not be officiating said player's games. the NBA has done very little to address very real concerns about the officiating, and they are losing potential fans because of it.

The funny thing is that people start calling it a "conspiracy" but the problem is its not a conspiracy. Maybe it is a lie, but not a conspiracy, and who is to say that this guy is lying. It will get washed under the table as this guy was sore, but maybe hes not just sore and he is telling the truth.
I guess we will never know and of course he will be portrayed as a liar and a cheater.

Conspiracy, according to the intergoogle, is a secret agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal act. Stern and the refs attempting to fix the games would fall under racketeering laws.

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
Who cares, it's just a form of entertainment like TV and movies. Is anyone actually surprised?

you know there are literally millions of dollars riding on these games right? the fbi dont get involved in sports scandals for nothing

 

[aceO07]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/ne...08&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

No credibility . bla bla bla

Didn't some ex-NBA ref get 25 years in jail for rigging playoff games recently?

 

[kranky]

Home team had this % more free throws than the away team:

Game 1: 25% (7 more FTs)
Game 2: 280% (28 more FTs)
Game 3: 54% (12 more FTs)

 

[MrChad]

Bill Simmons has had two great commentaries on NBA officiating over the years.

From 2006 (last several paragraphs): http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ry?page=simmons/060620
From last year: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ry?page=simmons/070722

In any event, Donaghy definitely has credibility issues, but his words echo the sentiments of a lot of current and former NBA fans. Stern has to do something other than casually dismiss his credibility to reassure folks that the integrity of his sport is in tact.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: MrChad
Bill Simmons has had two great commentaries on NBA officiating over the years.

From 2006 (last several paragraphs): http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ry?page=simmons/060620
From last year: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ry?page=simmons/070722

In any event, Donaghy definitely has credibility issues, but his words echo the sentiments of a lot of current and former NBA fans. Stern has to do something other than casually dismiss his credibility to reassure folks that the integrity of his sport is in tact.

oh yeah i beleive that the NBA fix's games. its been said to many time by to many people.

but yeah Donaghy has credibility issues. but is supect he is telling the truth about this.

 

[hoihtah]

i say all refs should be an independent organization. one union for all sports. minimize owner/league/ref involvment.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

I hate all this suspecting of calls. "incompetent," yet human officials were probably an issue since the NBA started. I don't believe the NBA fixes games. This entire debacle is truely not fair for the fans and the players.

 

[hoihtah]

wrestling's got scripts
baseball's got steroids
nfl's got hidden cameras
now nba's got refs.

put all that together... and you have one fine show.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: hoihtah
wrestling's got scripts
baseball's got steroids
nfl's got hidden cameras
now nba's got refs.

put all that together... and you have one fine show.

only one of those admits it is not real

 

[zinfamous]

NBA Vice President Richard Buchanan said "... The NBA remains vigilant in protecting the integrity of our game."

NBA?
Integrity?

BWAHAHAHAHA

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: hoihtah
wrestling's got scripts
baseball's got steroids
nfl's got hidden cameras
now nba's got refs.

put all that together... and you have one fine show.

only one of those admits it is not real

Since we all know WWE is for fookin real. Which one?

 

[NeoV]

omfg people

saying "try not to eject star players" is far from fixing games

The kings blew that series, not the refs. Was there a call or two that could have gone either way? Sure -heck, I was rooting hard for the Kings myself - but the refs didn't make C.Webb vanish is games 6 and 7, he did that all by himself. Peja's shooting went south too - was that a fix?

The crap with the Rockets series was a response to Cuban's antics, where he was charting officials calls, etc - the NBA just made sure that their refs were all on the same page because the officiated was under such scrutiny.

As for the current series - how many times did the Lakers take the ball to the hoop in game 2? They pretty much took nothing but jump shots - which is their fault, not the officials - you saw in game 3 the Lakers be much more agressive going to the basket - and as a result they got more fouls callled. As for why Powe got so many free throws - a better question is - why is he getting the ball at the basket so much? Keep him off the offensive glass or don't leave him to double whomever is driving to the basket, and he won't get so many free throws - when he does get the ball, they are practically tackling him, it's not like the calls he's getting are bad calls - he's certainly not a star player anyway, so it's not like the refs are giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Officiating basketball games is hard - and yes, the 'makeup call' has been in practice for as long as I've been watching NBA games, and yes, star players likely get calls that non-star players don't - but it's part of the game.

This is a guy who got caught up in the wrong crowd, owed people a lot of money, helped some games go certain ways - cover or not cover point spreads for the most part - and he got caught. This doesn't mean the entire NBA has a problem, or that other refs are doing similar things.


Personally, I'd like to see the NBA and college ball do away with charging inside the lane - charging/blocking is a very tough call to make, and to me, most of the charges are not really playing D, it's just getting in the way of someone who beat the guy defending them.