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[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: cheezy321
I can live with you being a Spurs fan. There is only one thing that we disagree entirely on.

I hate Manu Ginobili with a passion. I think hes a below average to average player who has had his career stats inflated because of the referees and his continuous flopping. His career PPG would probably be about 4 - 6 points lower if he actually played like a real NBA player and not a flopping whining bitch. He is literally the only player in the NBA who I hate with a passion. There are a veritable SHITLOAD of NBA fans who are in 100% agreement with me.

You think Manu Ginobili is the 2nd coming of Christ and some player who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I completely disagree and I truly hope he will never make it to the HOF (and I truly believe he wont).

I also predict his career is over after this year. Those weak ankles cant take it anymore.

rofl, i'm not a ginobli fan but even a casual watcher will tell you that he is NOT below avg.
he is most def an above avg guy that can shoot and great ability to draw a foul.

Fixed for you. And I said he would be a below average player if the refs did not bail him out when he flies recklessly to the lane without a prayer of making the shot.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
:thumbsup: for this thread, I was thinking of starting one.

Now guys, predict where Ai will go? anychance for spurs/celtics?

He's gonna end his career in memphis.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: cheezy321
I can live with you being a Spurs fan. There is only one thing that we disagree entirely on.

I hate Manu Ginobili with a passion. I think hes a below average to average player who has had his career stats inflated because of the referees and his continuous flopping. His career PPG would probably be about 4 - 6 points lower if he actually played like a real NBA player and not a flopping whining bitch. He is literally the only player in the NBA who I hate with a passion. There are a veritable SHITLOAD of NBA fans who are in 100% agreement with me.

You think Manu Ginobili is the 2nd coming of Christ and some player who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I completely disagree and I truly hope he will never make it to the HOF (and I truly believe he wont).

I also predict his career is over after this year. Those weak ankles cant take it anymore.

rofl, i'm not a ginobli fan but even a casual watcher will tell you that he is NOT below avg.
he is most def an above avg guy that can shoot and great ability to draw a foul.

Fixed for you. And I said he would be a below average player if the refs did not bail him out when he flies recklessly to the lane without a prayer of making the shot.

You obviously have so much hate for him that you don't care how good of a player he is. He's a great player. He flops cus that's what all Euro's do. Yes he's still Euro even though he's from South America. He's a great player and a game changer. Hate him all you want but it still doesn't change the fact that he's a great player.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: cheezy321
I can live with you being a Spurs fan. There is only one thing that we disagree entirely on.

I hate Manu Ginobili with a passion. I think hes a below average to average player who has had his career stats inflated because of the referees and his continuous flopping. His career PPG would probably be about 4 - 6 points lower if he actually played like a real NBA player and not a flopping whining bitch. He is literally the only player in the NBA who I hate with a passion. There are a veritable SHITLOAD of NBA fans who are in 100% agreement with me.

You think Manu Ginobili is the 2nd coming of Christ and some player who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I completely disagree and I truly hope he will never make it to the HOF (and I truly believe he wont).

I also predict his career is over after this year. Those weak ankles cant take it anymore.

rofl, i'm not a ginobli fan but even a casual watcher will tell you that he is NOT below avg.
he is most def an above avg guy that can shoot and great ability to draw a foul.

Fixed for you. And I said he would be a below average player if the refs did not bail him out when he flies recklessly to the lane without a prayer of making the shot.

I think you lost some credibility there. Ginobili is an awesome player who can get in the lane and make some unbelievable shots. He knows how to step it up with the game on the line and can be an excellent clutch shooter. Sure he'll try to draw fouls, sometimes fake contact, but they all do and that's the business of the game.

I'm not sure how he'll be with all these ankle issues, but he's an nba stud.

 

[DayLaPaul]

Ginobili is an above average player, not a great player. Great players make those around them better. Ginobili is not that. Even before his injuries, you couldn't build a franchise around him.

Now I don't know what his international body of work is, but from what I've seen of his NBA career, he is not a Hall of Famer. I do know that the Basketball Hall of Fame is not as selective as the other sports, so that does improve his chances.

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: cheezy321
I can live with you being a Spurs fan. There is only one thing that we disagree entirely on.

I hate Manu Ginobili with a passion. I think hes a below average to average player who has had his career stats inflated because of the referees and his continuous flopping. His career PPG would probably be about 4 - 6 points lower if he actually played like a real NBA player and not a flopping whining bitch. He is literally the only player in the NBA who I hate with a passion. There are a veritable SHITLOAD of NBA fans who are in 100% agreement with me.

You think Manu Ginobili is the 2nd coming of Christ and some player who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I completely disagree and I truly hope he will never make it to the HOF (and I truly believe he wont).

I also predict his career is over after this year. Those weak ankles cant take it anymore.

rofl, i'm not a ginobli fan but even a casual watcher will tell you that he is NOT below avg.
he is most def an above avg guy that can shoot and great ability to draw a foul.

Fixed for you. And I said he would be a below average player if the refs did not bail him out when he flies recklessly to the lane without a prayer of making the shot.

I think you lost some credibility there. Ginobili is an awesome player who can get in the lane and make some unbelievable shots. He knows how to step it up with the game on the line and can be an excellent clutch shooter. Sure he'll try to draw fouls, sometimes fake contact, but they all do and that's the business of the game.

I'm not sure how he'll be with all these ankle issues, but he's an nba stud.

Cheezy might also not realize it, but the Lakers ha(d/ve) the first true flopper, and some of the worst. But as I pointed out, Manu does attempt to legitimately get fouls, just like Bryant.

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
Ginobili is an above average player, not a great player. Great players make those around them better. Ginobili is not that. Even before his injuries, you couldn't build a franchise around him.

Now I don't know what his international body of work is, but from what I've seen of his NBA career, he is not a Hall of Famer. I do know that the Basketball Hall of Fame is not as selective as the other sports, so that does improve his chances.

Seriously? Dude, it's the basketball hall of fame, so that encompasses his entire career.

He is the only player in existence with an NBA Championship, Olympic Gold medal and Euroleague championship. Like you said, you don't know what his international body of work is - so probably best to stay out of the conversation.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: cheezy321
I can live with you being a Spurs fan. There is only one thing that we disagree entirely on.

I hate Manu Ginobili with a passion. I think hes a below average to average player who has had his career stats inflated because of the referees and his continuous flopping. His career PPG would probably be about 4 - 6 points lower if he actually played like a real NBA player and not a flopping whining bitch. He is literally the only player in the NBA who I hate with a passion. There are a veritable SHITLOAD of NBA fans who are in 100% agreement with me.

You think Manu Ginobili is the 2nd coming of Christ and some player who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I completely disagree and I truly hope he will never make it to the HOF (and I truly believe he wont).

I also predict his career is over after this year. Those weak ankles cant take it anymore.

rofl, i'm not a ginobli fan but even a casual watcher will tell you that he is NOT below avg.
he is most def an above avg guy that can shoot and great ability to draw a foul.

Fixed for you. And I said he would be a below average player if the refs did not bail him out when he flies recklessly to the lane without a prayer of making the shot.

I think you lost some credibility there. Ginobili is an awesome player who can get in the lane and make some unbelievable shots. He knows how to step it up with the game on the line and can be an excellent clutch shooter. Sure he'll try to draw fouls, sometimes fake contact, but they all do and that's the business of the game.

I'm not sure how he'll be with all these ankle issues, but he's an nba stud.

Cheezy might also not realize it, but the Lakers ha(d/ve) the first true flopper, and some of the worst. But as I pointed out, Manu does attempt to legitimately get fouls, just like Bryant.

Kobe and Ginobili are two of the most competitive crunch time players in the game, atleast manu was a few years ago when he was healthy. Pops called him the most competitive player he's ever coached (iirc.)

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
Ginobili is an above average player, not a great player. Great players make those around them better. Ginobili is not that. Even before his injuries, you couldn't build a franchise around him.

Now I don't know what his international body of work is, but from what I've seen of his NBA career, he is not a Hall of Famer. I do know that the Basketball Hall of Fame is not as selective as the other sports, so that does improve his chances.

Seriously? Dude, it's the basketball hall of fame, so that encompasses his entire career.

He is the only player in existence with an NBA Championship, Olympic Gold medal and Euroleague championship. Like you said, you don't know what his international body of work is - so probably best to stay out of the conversation.

I love Ginobili and I've known about him championships but I don't think he'll get into the basketball HoF.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: scorpious

Originally posted by: 11thHour
Sounds like Hinrich is going to Portland, Tyrus Thomas to Utah, and Boozer to Chicago.

When the fuck did this happen? ESPN is blocked!

McDyess to San Antonio? Fizzzzuck, that makes them more of a threat. Big men to throw around are always valuable.

Yea SA needed another big man since they gave them all away for Jefferson. SA still isn't as good as the Lakers but it's just another good piece to add. With a healthy roster, I think this puts them second in the West.

Wait, what did you just say?

Laker's didn't do anything this offseason - except lose Ariza and potentially Odom.

Artest is washed up, he's a ballhog and nowhere near as good of a defender as he used to be.

LOL, this is coming from the guy who believes Ginobili had a hall of fame career in the NBA. :laugh:

laugh if you will, he's going to the BASKETBALL hall of fame.

 

[rbV5]

wth, apparently this is a Ginobili thread now

in other news;

Blazers draft pick Patty Mills broke his right foot; 1st day of practice.

 

[masterxfob]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: masterxfob
i'm a lakers fan, but i'm a little disappointed in our offseason. we swapped ariza for artest

I just don't understand the love for Ariza. Yes he had a great offseason but that's about it. He hasn't proven himself at anything. Artest has proven himself. I'd rather go for the proven guy then someone who you don't know how good he is. Yes he can get better but Kobe doesn't have that much time left. Kobe is getting old and the Lakers need to get as many championships as they can before he gets older. Getting Artest was a great move.

why did you only quote part of my post? you took my post out of context by leaving the rest of it out.

i'm pretty much saying that it wasn't a big upgrade/downgrade. they both play good defense and can hit the long ball. artest is the better player, but he's also a head case, and likes to shoot a lot. that move alone does not put us back into contention for a title. if we resign odom, we're in about the same place as last year. now look at the upgrades the celtics, spurs, and mavs (if they get gortat) have made. they are considerably greater than what we have done.

we're going to need odom to resign, and huge improvements from bynum, vujacic, and brown if we're going to have a chance at another title.

edit: i grew up in la and have always been a lakers fan, but i'm not delusional. if the spurs and celtics stay healthy, i believe they will be playing in the finals.

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: scorpious

Originally posted by: slayer202

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
As the league stands right now, I'm calling the celts out of the east.

I don't think anyone else with a brain is.

lol who do you think is gonna be there? I don't like the celtics but I don't see anyone else beating them. DEFINITELY not the cavs, and I don't think the magic will be able to do it without hedo and with vince. Celtics will be there, no question

Yes I agree. I think the Cavs had a shot this year, because they matched up better with Boston than they did Orlando.

Vince may be a great player, but I don't really know how Howard expects to get the ball more with him rather than Turkoglu. In Cleveland, Shaq can talk all he wants, but when it comes time to play, he just wants the ball. He won't demand it from LeBron, but I'm not sure he'll give it up that easily.


Lakers vs Celtics part II, this time the Lakers take it to them. I hope I don't get proved wrong.

vince is content with not being the go-to guy. he doesn't demand touches.
i'd say it was a slight upgrade over turk. more slashing and throw downs, but less 3 point shooting.

What about Toronto? It was either him or McGrady, and they were showing up one another at one point.

In New Jersey there was no doubt that he was the #1 guy, even more so this past season because of all the youngsters. I think he appreciated Devin Harris more than people think, because he didn't have to work as hard and do it all himself.

But in Orlando, you've got Rashard who loves to shoot the ball, Howard who undoubtedly is going to demand more and want to prove to the naysayers that he can do more than just dunk, Nelson who tried to do so much in the Finals even though he was not in proper form and should have played the bench role, Pietrus who wants to prove that he's not just a bench player.........

I doubt Rashard is going to play second fiddle to Carter when it comes down to the last shot. He shared that spotlight with Turkoglu last season, and I'm not quite sure he'll do it again. But, for $111m, you figure it wouldn't be a problem.

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: cheezy321
I can live with you being a Spurs fan. There is only one thing that we disagree entirely on.

I hate Manu Ginobili with a passion. I think hes a below average to average player who has had his career stats inflated because of the referees and his continuous flopping. His career PPG would probably be about 4 - 6 points lower if he actually played like a real NBA player and not a flopping whining bitch. He is literally the only player in the NBA who I hate with a passion. There are a veritable SHITLOAD of NBA fans who are in 100% agreement with me.

You think Manu Ginobili is the 2nd coming of Christ and some player who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I completely disagree and I truly hope he will never make it to the HOF (and I truly believe he wont).

I also predict his career is over after this year. Those weak ankles cant take it anymore.

rofl, i'm not a ginobli fan but even a casual watcher will tell you that he is NOT below avg.
he is most def an above avg guy that can shoot and great ability to drive into the lane.

Drive into the lane, and hit the dagger. That's his thing, I agree wholeheartedly.

However, he just doesn't seem the same as '05 and '07. That's probably a big part of why they brought Jefferson in, because he can do a lot of the slashing that Manu used to, as well as space out the floor.

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
:thumbsup: for this thread, I was thinking of starting one.

Now guys, predict where Ai will go? anychance for spurs/celtics?

He's gonna end his career in memphis.

I think he should suck it up, and become a GREAT backup on a championship team. You're telling me Boston would not be a good fit? Rondo runs with the first team, which has plenty of firepower, then AI comes in with the second group and ensures that points will get put on the board.

I could also see him with the Lakers. I think we could use an AI, someone who isn't afraid to go straight to the basket. Other than Kobe, most of the guys are so hesitant to go inside. They end up taking some dumb outside shot. Fisher definitely goes in whether or not there is space, but Farmar and Brown hesitate at times.

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

You obviously have so much hate for him that you don't care how good of a player he is. He's a great player. He flops cus that's what all Euro's do. Yes he's still Euro even though he's from South America. He's a great player and a game changer. Hate him all you want but it still doesn't change the fact that he's a great player.

Second the flopping, but Varejao makes it an international thing, not just Europe.

Vujacic, Divac, Sabonis, Varejao, Ginobili, etc.

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: rbV5
wth, apparently this is a Ginobili thread now

in other news;

Blazers draft pick Patty Mills broke his right foot; 1st day of practice.

How's the trade looking? Any word that they got Hinrich?

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: cheezy321
I can live with you being a Spurs fan. There is only one thing that we disagree entirely on.

I hate Manu Ginobili with a passion. I think hes a below average to average player who has had his career stats inflated because of the referees and his continuous flopping. His career PPG would probably be about 4 - 6 points lower if he actually played like a real NBA player and not a flopping whining bitch. He is literally the only player in the NBA who I hate with a passion. There are a veritable SHITLOAD of NBA fans who are in 100% agreement with me.

You think Manu Ginobili is the 2nd coming of Christ and some player who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I completely disagree and I truly hope he will never make it to the HOF (and I truly believe he wont).

I also predict his career is over after this year. Those weak ankles cant take it anymore.

rofl, i'm not a ginobli fan but even a casual watcher will tell you that he is NOT below avg.
he is most def an above avg guy that can shoot and great ability to draw a foul.

Fixed for you. And I said he would be a below average player if the refs did not bail him out when he flies recklessly to the lane without a prayer of making the shot.

I think you lost some credibility there. Ginobili is an awesome player who can get in the lane and make some unbelievable shots. He knows how to step it up with the game on the line and can be an excellent clutch shooter. Sure he'll try to draw fouls, sometimes fake contact, but they all do and that's the business of the game.

I'm not sure how he'll be with all these ankle issues, but he's an nba stud.

Cheezy might also not realize it, but the Lakers ha(d/ve) the first true flopper, and some of the worst. But as I pointed out, Manu does attempt to legitimately get fouls, just like Bryant.

Dude, im not a Lakers fan. Never will be. I am a Suns fan. I agree with you, the first true flopper was Vlade Divac. There is no doubt about that. He was pretty cool tho, smoking cigarettes during halftime and such.

I hope you can at least agree with me on the fact that Manu Ginobili has been at the top of the list of floppers in the NBA for pretty much his entire career (right in front of Varejao).

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: masterxfob

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: masterxfob
i'm a lakers fan, but i'm a little disappointed in our offseason. we swapped ariza for artest

I just don't understand the love for Ariza. Yes he had a great offseason but that's about it. He hasn't proven himself at anything. Artest has proven himself. I'd rather go for the proven guy then someone who you don't know how good he is. Yes he can get better but Kobe doesn't have that much time left. Kobe is getting old and the Lakers need to get as many championships as they can before he gets older. Getting Artest was a great move.

why did you only quote part of my post? you took my post out of context by leaving the rest of it out.

i'm pretty much saying that it wasn't a big upgrade/downgrade. they both play good defense and can hit the long ball. artest is the better player, but he's also a head case, and likes to shoot a lot. that move alone does not put us back into contention for a title. if we resign odom, we're in about the same place as last year. now look at the upgrades the celtics, spurs, and mavs (if they get gortat) have made. they are considerably greater than what we have done.

we're going to need odom to resign, and huge improvements from bynum, vujacic, and brown if we're going to have a chance at another title.

edit: i grew up in la and have always been a lakers fan, but i'm not delusional. if the spurs and celtics stay healthy, i believe they will be playing in the finals.

Hmmm, I think winning the championship showed Bynum that it's okay to play defense and not have a great offensive game. All Phil wants out of him is defensive presence, blocks, and rebounds. If he makes a few baskets, great, but we have scorers to go around. The addition of Artest only reduces the need for Bynum to be a prowess on the offensive end.

I agree that Artest is a headcase, but Phil has experience in this area (see: Rodman). He knows that if he lets Artest do this thing, but makes it clear what he wants from him, then I think it will work out. Artest could have gotten more money elsewhere, but he wants to win a championship. He knows that Phil could be on his way out next year, so he wants to see if can squeeze in for another run.


Lakers in the finals, and if Celtics stay healthy, then it's the rematch we all want.

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

I hope you can at least agree with me on the fact that Manu Ginobili has been at the top of the list of floppers in the NBA for pretty much his entire career (right in front of Varejao).

I'll second that for sure. He enjoys taking a fall.

In Europe, it's a skill to be able to time your drop just as the offensive player drives in. We view it as a weakness, as being "pussy", and that's why we scream "oh come on!@!!! take it like a man!!"

Just a different style.

 

[masterxfob]

Originally posted by: scorpious

Originally posted by: masterxfob

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: masterxfob
i'm a lakers fan, but i'm a little disappointed in our offseason. we swapped ariza for artest

I just don't understand the love for Ariza. Yes he had a great offseason but that's about it. He hasn't proven himself at anything. Artest has proven himself. I'd rather go for the proven guy then someone who you don't know how good he is. Yes he can get better but Kobe doesn't have that much time left. Kobe is getting old and the Lakers need to get as many championships as they can before he gets older. Getting Artest was a great move.

why did you only quote part of my post? you took my post out of context by leaving the rest of it out.

i'm pretty much saying that it wasn't a big upgrade/downgrade. they both play good defense and can hit the long ball. artest is the better player, but he's also a head case, and likes to shoot a lot. that move alone does not put us back into contention for a title. if we resign odom, we're in about the same place as last year. now look at the upgrades the celtics, spurs, and mavs (if they get gortat) have made. they are considerably greater than what we have done.

we're going to need odom to resign, and huge improvements from bynum, vujacic, and brown if we're going to have a chance at another title.

edit: i grew up in la and have always been a lakers fan, but i'm not delusional. if the spurs and celtics stay healthy, i believe they will be playing in the finals.

Hmmm, I think winning the championship showed Bynum that it's okay to play defense and not have a great offensive game. All Phil wants out of him is defensive presence, blocks, and rebounds. If he makes a few baskets, great, but we have scorers to go around. The addition of Artest only reduces the need for Bynum to be a prowess on the offensive end.

I agree that Artest is a headcase, but Phil has experience in this area (see: Rodman). He knows that if he lets Artest do this thing, but makes it clear what he wants from him, then I think it will work out. Artest could have gotten more money elsewhere, but he wants to win a championship. He knows that Phil could be on his way out next year, so he wants to see if can squeeze in for another run.


Lakers in the finals, and if Celtics stay healthy, then it's the rematch we all want.

i'll agree that bynum needs to rebound and defend better without fouling, but we need his post game to open up our perimeter shooting. if we had a slasher that could collapse the defense we'd be ok. kobe isn't that guy anymore, he shoots a lot more jumpers because he doesn't have that first step. while artest is a great player, he has poor shot selection and shoots only 40%.

 

[slayer202]

Originally posted by: cheezy321
I hope you can at least agree with me on the fact that Manu Ginobili has been at the top of the list of floppers in the NBA for pretty much his entire career (right in front of Varejao).

anderson is the biggest flopper and douche in the league. he doesn't have any skill, all he can do is flop. manu really don't flop that often. he does embellish a lot of fouls, but so do most NBA players. he was worse when he first came into the league but hes gotten better. not to mention he has a ton of skill.

please remember that he did lead an argentinian team that has beaten the US in international competition.

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: slayer202

Originally posted by: cheezy321
I hope you can at least agree with me on the fact that Manu Ginobili has been at the top of the list of floppers in the NBA for pretty much his entire career (right in front of Varejao).

anderson is the biggest flopper and douche in the league. he doesn't have any skill, all he can do is flop. manu really don't flop that often. he does embellish a lot of fouls, but so do most NBA players. he was worse when he first came into the league but hes gotten better. not to mention he has a ton of skill.

please remember that he did lead an argentinian team that has beaten the US in international competition.

Chris Anderson? Worst flopper in the league is hands down AK47, then Varegina followed by Vujacic.

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: masterxfob

i'll agree that bynum needs to rebound and defend better without fouling, but we need his post game to open up our perimeter shooting. if we had a slasher that could collapse the defense we'd be ok. kobe isn't that guy anymore, he shoots a lot more jumpers because he doesn't have that first step. while artest is a great player, he has poor shot selection and shoots only 40%.

Hmm, I didn't think about that. You're right about the post presence, but I think that's why we are more of a finesse team than one that has a dominant post presence.

Odom could definitely help us out down there but he's never been comfortable in that role. I'm always happy and sad when he drives to the hole, because he does it so effortlessly that he just glides right in, and he's so long that it's so easy for him to lay it in, so I wonder why he doesn't do that more often.

Gasol has done a great job in the post, but if we could have Bynum accept a supporting role and be the Big Man for the second team, then we'd really have a great shot at repeating.

 

[oiprocs]

Originally posted by: dougp

Originally posted by: slayer202

Originally posted by: cheezy321
I hope you can at least agree with me on the fact that Manu Ginobili has been at the top of the list of floppers in the NBA for pretty much his entire career (right in front of Varejao).

anderson is the biggest flopper and douche in the league. he doesn't have any skill, all he can do is flop. manu really don't flop that often. he does embellish a lot of fouls, but so do most NBA players. he was worse when he first came into the league but hes gotten better. not to mention he has a ton of skill.

please remember that he did lead an argentinian team that has beaten the US in international competition.

Chris Anderson? Worst flopper in the league is hands down AK47, then Varegina followed by Vujacic.

No, Anderson Varejao. That's his first name.

I don't know about AK47, but his 10-5-5-5 stat lines were once a "holy shit this could be awesome". He still shows flashes but it seems his golden days are gone. Though I feel if he were in the right system (Warriors, Knicks) he'd be an awesome player.