The new A64 Rev-E info and release dates?????

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LrngToFly

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That's been retracted:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21901

Nvidia denies Nforce 3/4 problems

By Fuad Abazovic: Thursday 17 March 2005, 10:38

WE HAD A CHANCE to talk to Nvidia about our article where we mentioned that Nforce 3 and Nforce 4 might have problems with the new Revision E Athlons but Nvidia categorically denied the issue. You can check that story, here.
Nvidia said that it tried Revision E CPUs and that it hasn't got any problems at all.

We were pointed to one thread at a support forum where DFI said that it can solve those problems with a new BIOS and that the company has already played with 3000+ revision E Athlon.

We will ask other motherboard manufacturers about the putative problem, but I guess the only way to know it is to plug one in and see if it works. µ
 

MTSteel

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Must resist the upgrade game, I have a poor OC 3000, but it runs my games fine, must resist!! Must stop reading these forums...ahhhh!
 

Sentential

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Originally posted by: Hyperlite
if Venice is the replacement for clawhammer, why does it have 512k L2?

Because it isnt. Venice will replace Newcastle/Winchester where Sandiego will be the direct replacement to the Clawhammer core.

Release date btw is April (4-6)th and the 15th (there abouts) for Sandiego. People at XS and in Germany near the Dresden plant are getting E0s. Supply is small and its not offiically retail yet.

Taken from:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56192

E0 CPU cores read:

ADA____DAA4BP
CBBLE ________

Example:

ADA3800DAA4BP
CBBLE 0504EPMW
 

RichUK

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Originally posted by: Sentential
Originally posted by: Shimmishim
3 ghz on air might be possible

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56313

Abeit it wasnt stable atleast with the Venice cores (ie E0 in general) the sub-zero issue has been fixed. Btw Venice is confirmed to work on both DFI's Nforce4 and MSI's K8N neo2 Platnium

Neo2 plat.... that is some seriously good news as i have one (neo2 plat that is).. and am defo looking to get one of these venice chips ... how much do you think it will cost for the lowest spec venice? bearing in mind that i live in the UK...

or do you have any price info at all?????

 

Sentential

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Venice will *WHOLLY* replace Winchester as a group. So by the end of April expect $130 3000+ Venice cores at a store near you

(prices will be exactally same as current winchs)
 

RichUK

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thats a good shout with it being the same price as normal winnies .. i really cant wait now....

Sentential: can i ask where are you getting this info from...

Just hope it is quite accurate
 

Sentential

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Its all from the link above. On ocforums and on xtremesystems several members got ahold of leaked official AMD docs which show quite clearly what PRs are being revised to what. Here is the following info (as if this suprises anyone). Btw this is where I got the release date from.

3000+ (Venice)
3200+ (Venice)
3500+ (Venice)
3800+ (Venice)

4000+ (San-Diego)
4200+ (San-Diego)

FX53 (discontinued and replaced by 4000+)
FX55 (discontinued and replaced by 4200+)
FX57 (San-Diego) (2.8ghz)

<btw there are no clock changes from what they currentally are now>
 

Tuffrabbit

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So is it true then that the Athlon 64 Rev E CPU is really the "Venice" core we are waiting for ? ( Next progression from "Winchester")
 

Frown66

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: We were pointed to one thread at a support forum where DFI said that it can solve those problems with a new BIOS and that the company has already played with 3000+ revision E Athlon.

I hope the new BIOS ships with the next round of motherboards shipments, as I don't see a way consumers can flash their motherboards without a working cpu, unless everyone just has spare A64's lying around.
 

Sentential

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Originally posted by: Tuffrabbit
So is it true then that the Athlon 64 Rev E CPU is really the "Venice" core we are waiting for ? ( Next progression from "Winchester")

E0 is split between 3 cores. I forget which is which but I know that Venice is D0H-E3 if my memory serves me correctally. I belive E1 is Toledo and E2 is Sandiego.

Calling the CPU's E0 would be like saying LGA775 processors use "prescott" There are many many types of prescott that are wholly different from the next in terms of design.

Venice is just venice and IT is the successor to Winchester. E0 refers to the series of CPUs.
 

Aries64

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Originally posted by: MTSteel
Must resist the upgrade game, I have a poor OC 3000, but it runs my games fine, must resist!! Must stop reading these forums...ahhhh!
Resistance is futile...

 

EndGame

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Anyone have any info of any websites offering them? A few people on chat said it was reported that several sites would begin offering the Venice core chips after midnight west coast time and that they were already available at some online shops in Europe.
 

bookman

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Bah! It looks like it has WORSE thermals than Winchester - how very disappointing! Hopefully it makes up for it by undervolting better.
 

C42

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It o/c's well with less volts than a winnie would take from the 3 that have been seen.
 

Googer

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Enhanced Integrated Memory Controller

"Every time a new Athlon 64 processor core come out AMD engineers continue tuning up their integrated memory controller. Note that this is done not only for the sake of increasing the processor performance, but mostly in order to extend the compatibility of this memory controller with the different DIMM modules and their configurations. The previous 90nm Athlon 64 processor core aka Winchester had certain performance limitations when four DDR400 SDRAM modules were used. If there were four single-side DDR400 SDRAM DIMMs installed in a system with a Winchester based Athlon 64 CPU, they could only work with the 2T timing, which caused a few percent drop below the usual performance level. If there were four double-side memory modules installed, DDR400 SDRAM would not work at all and its working frequency would automatically drop down to 333MHz.

AMD engineers promised to eliminate this problem in the new Venice core and they did keep their word. Athlon 64 processors based on Venice can work with four single-side DDR400 SDRAM modules without any limitations, and if there are double-side DDR400 SDRAM DIMMs installed, they can work at 400MHz with 2T timing.

Besides wider compatibility of the Venice?s memory controller, it also got noticeably faster. Among the tweaks implemented in Venice we should definitely point out enhanced hardware data prefetch and more write combining buffers (4 instead of 2).

All these improvements should help Venice based Athlon 64 processor to outperform their counterparts based on the older core revisions but working at the same clock frequency. And the performance gain will be more noticeable if there are four memory modules installed in the system."


http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-venice_3.html
 

Gerbil333

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Originally posted by: Googer
Enhanced Integrated Memory Controller

[. . .]

All these improvements should help Venice based Athlon 64 processor to outperform their counterparts based on the older core revisions but working at the same clock frequency. And the performance gain will be more noticeable if there are four memory modules installed in the system."


http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-venice_3.html

So, even though 4 double sided DIMMS would require the system to run at 2T, there would be less of a performance hit than usual? I hope so. I really want 2GBs of RAM in my next machine.
 
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Originally posted by: Gerbil333
Originally posted by: Googer
Enhanced Integrated Memory Controller

[. . .]

All these improvements should help Venice based Athlon 64 processor to outperform their counterparts based on the older core revisions but working at the same clock frequency. And the performance gain will be more noticeable if there are four memory modules installed in the system."


http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-venice_3.html

So, even though 4 double sided DIMMS would require the system to run at 2T, there would be less of a performance hit than usual? I hope so. I really want 2GBs of RAM in my next machine.

That's the impression I got. I guess they're saying that 2T is less of a performance hit than dropping down to DDR333, which sounds reasonable.
 
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