The New iMac Worth It?

Syrome

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After the recent announcements from Apple's Special Event on October 23rd, what does everyone think about the new iMac's? Should you get the 21.5 or 27" respectively? Traditional Hard Drive, SSD, or both? (Fusion Drive)? Discuss below.
 

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It turned me off by moving even further away from a "desktop" computer. Loss of optical drive, forcing the memory card slot to the back, ect.

At this point I may as well just buy a Thunderbolt display for my Macbook.

For an "All in one device" I'll be shopping against the Dell XPS 27. Blu-ray, TV tuner, nice 27" screen. Works more for what I need.
 

Syrome

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It turned me off by moving even further away from a "desktop" computer. Loss of optical drive, forcing the memory card slot to the back, ect.

At this point I may as well just buy a Thunderbolt display for my Macbook.

For an "All in one device" I'll be shopping against the Dell XPS 27. Blu-ray, TV tuner, nice 27" screen. Works more for what I need.

I can agree with you to an extent. When they talk about an "all in one" desktop, usually that should mean the inclusion of an Optical Drive. However, wouldn't you rather have a product that produces a better quality display, less weight, and more/better features as compared to the thicker, heavier, design and barely used Optical Drive? I do get where your coming from but most customers don't really use/care for an optical drive hardly anymore, not to mention you can always get a Superdrive to cure your needs.
 

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It's sitting on a desk and not moving. Frankly I don't give a rat's furry butt about shaving a bit of depth and a few pounds off. Especially if that means that it's costing functionality that was previously available.

And the argument that "you can just buy a superdrive if you need one" is the biggest copouts I've heard. It's such a backwards and consumer unfriendly decision that I can't even understand how people think that it's a reasonable suggestion. I just ask, what did you really gain for the deletion? I don't accept that thinner is better simply because it was fairly svelte to begin with and the depth/weight wasn't an issue anyway.

These devices are not laptops. I'm not concerned about portability and weight.
 

vailr

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Why doesn't Apple offer a monitor smaller than 27"?
A standalone 21.5" monitor would be more suitable for use with a Mac mini.
Is there an equivalent (non-Apple) 21.5" monitor that's comparable (quality-wise) to Apple's latest new 21.5" iMac screen?
 

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Why doesn't Apple offer a monitor smaller than 27"?
A standalone 21.5" monitor would be more suitable for use with a Mac mini.
Is there an equivalent (non-Apple) 21.5" monitor that's comparable (quality-wise) to Apple's latest new 21.5" iMac screen?

If you are looking for a 21.5" 1080p display, these are a good starting place.

I would say that that unless you are getting the entry level Mini, then it isn't much more money to get the 21.5" iMac, which will have a better GPU, and actually comes with a keyboard and mouse.

The Mini does not
 

sportage

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What I needed was more HD realestate. My 2009 iMac had the 1tb drive.
I almost moved up to the 2011 iMac just for the 2tb drive just 3 weeks ago. I hate using external drives other for time machine use. But I knew the day after I did that, apple would release the new iMac. Naturally just 3 weeks ago an apple sales guy claimed no new iMacs were coming anytime soon. That told me he was probably fibbing to make a sale of the 2011 iMac.
So anyway... Instead I followed the youtube guides and upgraded my current 1tb iMac drive to a Samsung 2tb drive.
The process went much smoother than I expected.
I now have an iMac with the drive I needed in the first place.
Other than that, I see no real reason to jump on the newly released system.

No optical drive isn't really a deal breaker since I actually use the optical very little. And I do have an external optical I used with an old windows PC.
The nice thing with iMacs, that unlike with windows based machines, an iMac can last for many many years with out becoming obsolete.
 

Syrome

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It's sitting on a desk and not moving. Frankly I don't give a rat's furry butt about shaving a bit of depth and a few pounds off. Especially if that means that it's costing functionality that was previously available.

And the argument that "you can just buy a superdrive if you need one" is the biggest copouts I've heard. It's such a backwards and consumer unfriendly decision that I can't even understand how people think that it's a reasonable suggestion. I just ask, what did you really gain for the deletion? I don't accept that thinner is better simply because it was fairly svelte to begin with and the depth/weight wasn't an issue anyway.

These devices are not laptops. I'm not concerned about portability and weight.

I do understand where you are coming from. The fact that they decided to remove it does obviously make a claim in itself but honestly, no one really uses an optical drive anymore so why include it? If it is a trending out piece of technology that no one uses, then why include it? They can better use that space for whatever they need to. Yes, it is a desktop so it shouldn't matter and they should have just kept it anyways but I can absolutely see where Apple is coming from in doing this. Not to mention, its a smart company move as well. It navigates you to iTunes morally instead of burning CD's and what not.
 

Kadarin

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My late 2010 iMac is still working fine, no need to upgrade yet unless I decide my graphics horsepower is a bit too weak.
 

CA19100

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I do understand where you are coming from. The fact that they decided to remove it does obviously make a claim in itself but honestly, no one really uses an optical drive anymore so why include it?

It's funny, the same things were said in 1998 when the first iMac came out, and Apple removed the floppy drives. Seems like they were on the right track then, too.
 

Syrome

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It's funny, the same things were said in 1998 when the first iMac came out, and Apple removed the floppy drives. Seems like they were on the right track then, too.

And my guess is that they are right once again!
 

terpsy

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Really? I still use DVD for images, for installations (not always USB thumb drives) DVD/CD allows me to provide documents and images to clients and friends.

Stop drinking the Piss from Apple. Just because you can do away with the DVD Drive does not make it in the client best interest.

You are not thinking this through, the reason for the removal is to tie MORE people into their App Store for being able to receive anything on their machine.
 

swanysto

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Hmm, I have an early 2011 which I don't think I have even challenged yet. I have just started using it for photoshop and lightroom, so I may need to add some more RAM in there since it only has 4gb. The reason I got it, was cause it took up less room on my desk. Just makes my office look so much cleaner. While this new one looks pretty slick, I think it will be a while before I upgrade.

If I was in the position of needing a desktop, I would definitely get one. I would without a doubt stay with the 27" version. I don't know much about Fusion drives, but an SSD would be lovely.
 
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And the argument that "you can just buy a superdrive if you need one" is the biggest copouts I've heard. It's such a backwards and consumer unfriendly decision that I can't even understand how people think that it's a reasonable suggestion. I just ask, what did you really gain for the deletion? I don't accept that thinner is better simply because it was fairly svelte to begin with and the depth/weight wasn't an issue anyway.

The biggest trap fallen into by the sorts of people who throw around terms like "consumer unfriendly" is confusing what they want with what most consumers want. Stuff like that got thrown around when the original iMac dropped the floppy drive, too.

But it's also "consumer unfriendly" to add extra components, cost, and failure points to a piece of hardware to bring in features that the majority of users don't want or need.

If Apple is a responsibly managed and run company, they presumably did the research and determined that a majority of their users don't want or need optical drives, so they nixed 'em. Given how many macbook owners have put second HDDs or SSDs into their optical bay... well, there you go.










Or it could have been a poorly thought out management decision based on the perceived success of the Macbook Air and the Ultrabook brigade.

Time (and ghostwritten tell-all novels written by ousted board members) will tell.
 
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CA19100

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You are not thinking this through, the reason for the removal is to tie MORE people into their App Store for being able to receive anything on their machine.

I've been downloading my Mac software for years. Not once did that involve Apple's app store. Downloadable disk images have been the normal method of Mac software distribution for a long, long time. My last software purchase was Office 2011 for Mac, which was a digital download.

I added an optical drive to my homebuilt PC specifically to install Windows. I've done exactly nothing else with it since. Apple now ships their OS on flash drives, so the optical drive wouldn't even be used for that on a Mac machine.

My backups are done onto another hard drive. Music in the car comes from my phone. Client files are either e-mailed or (for larger stuff) sent a link to DropBox, which is beautifully integrated into my e-mail client. (This approach is easier, faster, and allows me to make last-minute changes to the file after I've sent out the link.) I haven't purchased a physical music CD in years. Even my stuck-in-the-stone-age company, which up until last year was mailing CDs with 50MB PDFs on them, has seen the light.

I certainly appreciate that you still have a use for an optical drive, and you can always add one on or buy a different machine with one still built-in. But I hope you'll similarly realize that for a lot of us, it's about as useless as a floppy drive at this point.
 

0roo0roo

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its worth it for the type of customer that buys one. anyone that needs a beefy gpu is out by default, but for casual web/productivity people, are they really going to need anything more than an i5?

Really? I still use DVD for images, for installations (not always USB thumb drives) DVD/CD allows me to provide documents and images to clients and friends.

Stop drinking the Piss from Apple. Just because you can do away with the DVD Drive does not make it in the client best interest.

You are not thinking this through, the reason for the removal is to tie MORE people into their App Store for being able to receive anything on their machine.


you can always get a cheap external enclosure

i use it less and less..burning a dvd just doesn't make much sense anymore, external drives and flash memory is just cheap now.
 

Syrome

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I think the new iMac is an incredible machine honestly. I am really considering picking up a 27in for myself.
 

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It turned me off by moving even further away from a "desktop" computer. Loss of optical drive, forcing the memory card slot to the back, ect.
This was my first reaction. The change in shape only servers an aesthetic purpose while possibly compromising quiet operation or powerful components. It looks like the only major compromise they needed to make is removing the optical drive and nothing else is too heavily impacted because of smart design. The cooling system looks very neat with the one big fan sucking air in mainly through the bottom and pushing the hot air from the CPU+GPU straight out the back near the hinge. It makes way more sense than letting the warm air pass over all of the components before coming out the top like the old design. They still gave GPU power a big boost which is nice and having 2x nm silicon in the GPU and CPU makes it appealing. The optically bonded screen could also be a very nice upgrade. I wonder if the screen is better or worse than monitors that use those LG panels with only the soft plastic front surface.

It only looks worth it to me for people who already want an iMac over a desktop for simplicity, looks etc. This looks like a good value over last years model if the user wants the faster GPU, better screen or looks. We'll have to see if it runs quieter. The 27" is the model to get for the extra GPU power and awesome screen but the 21.5" looks like it could really blend in unobtrusively on a desk that sees other uses. Fusion Drive also sounds great. It's not as fast as managing SSD space yourself but if a user is considering not getting a SSD at all then this is perfect.
 

Syrome

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This was my first reaction. The change in shape only servers an aesthetic purpose while possibly compromising quiet operation or powerful components. It looks like the only major compromise they needed to make is removing the optical drive and nothing else is too heavily impacted because of smart design. The cooling system looks very neat with the one big fan sucking air in mainly through the bottom and pushing the hot air from the CPU+GPU straight out the back near the hinge. It makes way more sense than letting the warm air pass over all of the components before coming out the top like the old design. They still gave GPU power a big boost which is nice and having 2x nm silicon in the GPU and CPU makes it appealing. The optically bonded screen could also be a very nice upgrade. I wonder if the screen is better or worse than monitors that use those LG panels with only the soft plastic front surface.

It only looks worth it to me for people who already want an iMac over a desktop for simplicity, looks etc. This looks like a good value over last years model if the user wants the faster GPU, better screen or looks. We'll have to see if it runs quieter. The 27" is the model to get for the extra GPU power and awesome screen but the 21.5" looks like it could really blend in unobtrusively on a desk that sees other uses. Fusion Drive also sounds great. It's not as fast as managing SSD space yourself but if a user is considering not getting a SSD at all then this is perfect.

Well stated. I like your rundown of the machine and hopefully should be picking up my 27in this December fully spec'd out.
 

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Really? I still use DVD for images, for installations (not always USB thumb drives) DVD/CD allows me to provide documents and images to clients and friends.

Stop drinking the Piss from Apple. Just because you can do away with the DVD Drive does not make it in the client best interest.

You are not thinking this through, the reason for the removal is to tie MORE people into their App Store for being able to receive anything on their machine.

Just calm down. It's an optical drive. I bought a bus powered LiteON from Newegg for $38. Works on Macs, Windows, and even had an indentation to hide the cable in.

Problem solved.
 

Syrome

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I am not sure why people are making such a huge deal about the Optical Drive. No one uses them anymore and you can easily purchase one for around 30 dollars. I really don't see a huge deal there.
 

JackBurton

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I am not sure why people are making such a huge deal about the Optical Drive. No one uses them anymore and you can easily purchase one for around 30 dollars. I really don't see a huge deal there.

Exactly. If you're still using CDs or DVDs, you're doing it wrong.
 

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These are coming color calibrated which is a huge step for any consumer.
Most people don't have the means or knowledge to calibrate a monitor properly.

Aesthetically I can't find anything close.

I haven't used a dvd drive on my windows or mac computers in about 2 years.
I have a small file server for all storage, backup, and redundancy in the closet.
It has a dvd drive for the very very rare case that I might receive something on dvd.

Cost. A fully calibrated 27" IPS monitor with 2560x1440 resolution is well over $1000. Dell is the closest in price at $900 but it still is way off from being calibrated and honestly it looks dull and ugly.
If I tried building a computer with same specs it would come well over $800, and look like a piece of crap.
So $1800 for a 27" iMac is a very good deal imho.

People say they can build something more powerful for less. True, but once you add in the things I want like integrated camera, bluetooth, wifi, wireless keyboard and mouse, speakers, thunderbolt, 4 USB 3.0 ports, operating system, very low noise, and a warranty! there is no way you can beat it.
 

capeconsultant

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I have an external optical drive. It sits in my closet. Plastic discs are now a niche. And not a big one at that. The future is upon us!

I think a mac mini with 2 21.5 inch monitors might be nice. But alas, only 27 inch is available.
 
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