The new Raptor is out!

[cbns]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
The Raptor's faster seek times and higher I/O are undeniably. It is faster. People just like to harp on it's price tag to the point of dramatization.

The WD4000s are about as fast, based on the Raptor so much they were considering the name "Raptor 7200", and have some damn nice benchmarks

looks good, but costly.
i don't need that much space, and 2 raptors are cheaper than two of those 400GB babies

 

[ribbon13]

$200 for 400GB is costly? My god, thats cheap compared to price per gigabyte of the 500GB models out which is why I consider the WD4000s the best drives out. I'd get one WD4000KD because for all intents and purposes it is the successor to the Raptor.. Get one, move all your data onto it, and use the other drives for backup or recoup the cost by selling them.

 

[joejccva]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
$200 for 400GB is costly? My god, thats cheap compared to price per gigabyte of the 500GB models out which is why I consider the WD4000s the best drives out. I'd get one WD4000KD because for all intents and purposes it is the successor to the Raptor.. Get one, move all your data onto it, and use the other drives for backup or recoup the cost by selling them.

The Western Digital WD4000YR 400GB looks like it's a great drive and it's almost as fast as the Raptor and in fact it's even faster in one benchmark. However after reading some actual user reviews, it looks like these drives have a significant DOA trademark. Too many bad reviews regarding these as being dead on arrival. Other than that it looks like a winner and Western Digital has great support on their drives as well. The warranty is outstanding.

I'd probably take a chance in getting this drive being that it's only $216 on newegg and the raptors are $164, and the speeds of the raptor aren't that much greater than the WD4000YR's. Although the DOA problem scares me as well as someone else mentioned that these drives are only good for RAID scenarios and I don't run RAID. *shrug* Probably no big deal.

 

[slpaulson]

Originally posted by: cbns

Originally posted by: doggyfromplanetwoof

Originally posted by: cbns
aaah why is this happening to me?

God hates you.

apparently.

so instead of posting useless commentary can someone actually help me figure out why windows needs 5-8 minutes just to start up?

Do you have nvidia IDE drivers installed? If you do, uninstall them.

 

[ribbon13]

DOA problem? Where have you heard anything about that (besides Newegg reviews)? I think that must be it because the YR gets 24 hours of burn in opposed to 8 hours for the KD. I haven't heard anything on storage review about an unusual amount of DOA drives, but feel free to prove me wrong. I wonder how many of those newegg reviewers used UPS for shipping? Seriously though, newegg reviews don't rely on much to filter things like competing companies planting BS or one irate customer posting multiple bad reviews, so take them with a shaker of salt

 

[stevty2889]

Have you checked to make sure your hard drive isn't running in PIO mode? That would certainly explain the long boot up time and slugishness..

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: dexvx
I doubt there will be a sucessor to the 10K Raptor.

It's target audience was supposed to be high-end (as an alternative to SCSI). But in reality, the most they've done in penetrated the high-end enthusiast market, only with marginal success. Most people would rather dump their money on graphics, CPU, motherboard, memory, PSU... high-speed HDD's are rather low on the priority list.

Combine this with the rapid fall in SCSI prices ("old" flagship controllers like the 29160 can be had for around $25. A current/prev generation 15K drive being had for less than $100), and you got some stiff competition.

u160 scsi is old (but still good since a 32bit pci slot is only capable of ~130MB/s), at least a couple of years, so it was not a rapid fall in prices. and where can you get a current or 1 gen old 15K scsi hdd for ~$100?

 

[alimoalem]

USER ERROR = porn, certain game sites, etc.

 

[SpedeRacer]

Originally posted by: cRazYdood

Originally posted by: cbns

Originally posted by: doggyfromplanetwoof

Originally posted by: cbns
aaah why is this happening to me?

God hates you.

apparently.

so instead of posting useless commentary can someone actually help me figure out why windows needs 5-8 minutes just to start up?

Do you have nvidia IDE drivers installed? If you do, uninstall them.

How big of a deal is this? (I forgot if I did this or not)

 

[hmorphone]

Silly question, but do you defrag regularly?

 

[slpaulson]

Originally posted by: SpedeRacer

Originally posted by: cRazYdood

Originally posted by: cbns

Originally posted by: doggyfromplanetwoof

Originally posted by: cbns
aaah why is this happening to me?

God hates you.

apparently.

so instead of posting useless commentary can someone actually help me figure out why windows needs 5-8 minutes just to start up?

Do you have nvidia IDE drivers installed? If you do, uninstall them.

How big of a deal is this? (I forgot if I did this or not)

Well on mine windows took about 5 minutes to start after I installed the nvidia drivers. After I removed them it went back to booting up nice and quick.

 

[jr9k]

5-8 minutes? Most likely too much crap installed. (Yeah, that's the User problem).

As suggested before, check if you are running those drives in PIO mode.
Go to each disk properties, check DMA (if disabled), uncheck NCQ (if enabled. I don't think your drives support NCQ, so it should be greyed, but just give it a try).

Open the registry (be very careful when messing with it, the usual disclaimer applies here).
Go to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
see what crap loads at startup and remove the unneeded entries (I'd change the names slightly, just in case).

What cards do you have installed? Perhaps there's a driver waiting forever for one of them.

Oh, it seems that even a SCSI raid won't help you, so if you need more space, just get a normal HD.

 

[GoSharks]

Originally posted by: bob4432
and where can you get a current or 1 gen old 15K scsi hdd for ~$100?

ebay. i got a new atlas 10k v, 73gb for around $150 a few months ago.

 

[cbns]

bump!

 

[imported_Phil]

Your link does not relate to Raptors.

 

[Some1ne]

319 Euros? That's about $380 in USD...the new version appears to have done absolutely nothing to fix the cost issue. The price premium was fine when the raptors first came out, but at this point they are far too behind in terms of storage capacity (and that inludes the new model) to justify such inflated prices of > $2 per GB when everyone else is now offering drives for < $0.50 per GB.

Edit: oh, and the correct link is http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28577

 

[imported_Phil]

Meh, I can get a 146Gb 10krpm Seagate Cheetah SCSI on eBay for ~£110.

 

[dunkster]

Four minutes start-up is outrageous. I'd check for spyware/trojans, thoroughly clean all junk files, clear all junk entries in your registry and I'd also check your drive for weak sectors.

Regarding anti-spyware, I'd suggest Microsoft Anti-Spyware is better than most packages - and it's free. I got rid of AdAware and Spybot a long time ago. MSAS has an excellent real-time scanner, including monitoring changes in start-up programs. Even if you don't run MSAS resident as a real-time scanner, it will still report any changes in start-up apps since the last you ran it as a manual AS scanner.

As a free system-cleanup utility, CCLeaner is excellent.

The best system cleaner - including excellent control of start-up apps and excellent safety - is the Ace Utilities package. 30-day trial is fully-functional, and price is about $25. It will SAFELY clean your registry, clean junk files, clear your history and provide excellent control of start-up apps. The Ace Wizard will do it all in one pass - SAFELY.

Download drive-test utilities (SeaTools for Seagate Drive and Data Lifeguard Diagnostics for Western Digital drive). Weak read/write blocks can slow drive performance, since multiple passes may be required to read data from weak blocks.

I don't know what you do for Firewall and AV, but there are excellent onl-line virus scanners (Trend Micro, Panda, etc.).

I would do all of the above before considering replacing/upgrading your HD.

Hope this helps!

 

[secretanchitman]

tuneup utilities 2006 is one of the best programs everyone should have. i use it along with spybot and adaware and my system is nice and clean!

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
tuneup utilities 2006 is one of the best programs everyone should have. i use it along with spybot and adaware and my system is nice and clean!

:thumbsup:
I have the 2004 version and completely agree. It's an excellent addition to anyones system, and defintiely think it should be in the "must-have" category.

 

[seanp789]

Im gonna wait for the reviews on these drives but I would expect the increase in storage density will improve the stats overall.

i have 2 74G Bs right now, it would be a nice trade in.

 

[w00t]

space over speed speacially when its barely better.

 

[Bobthelost]

I just bought me a 74 gig Raptor, mildly narked that they didn't annoucnce the release a bit earlier, i'd have waited.

Now i'm just going to have to get another one to put in RAID0.

 

[fabidovalle]

Have you checked which programs start when you boot?
Click on start, run, and type msconfig, go to the the Startup tab and uncheck all the crap that you don't want to load when you boot!!

 

[cbns]

Originally posted by: dunkster
Four minutes start-up is outrageous. I'd check for spyware/trojans, thoroughly clean all junk files, clear all junk entries in your registry and I'd also check your drive for weak sectors.

Regarding anti-spyware, I'd suggest Microsoft Anti-Spyware is better than most packages - and it's free. I got rid of AdAware and Spybot a long time ago. MSAS has an excellent real-time scanner, including monitoring changes in start-up programs. Even if you don't run MSAS resident as a real-time scanner, it will still report any changes in start-up apps since the last you ran it as a manual AS scanner.

As a free system-cleanup utility, CCLeaner is excellent.

The best system cleaner - including excellent control of start-up apps and excellent safety - is the Ace Utilities package. 30-day trial is fully-functional, and price is about $25. It will SAFELY clean your registry, clean junk files, clear your history and provide excellent control of start-up apps. The Ace Wizard will do it all in one pass - SAFELY.

Download drive-test utilities (SeaTools for Seagate Drive and Data Lifeguard Diagnostics for Western Digital drive). Weak read/write blocks can slow drive performance, since multiple passes may be required to read data from weak blocks.

I don't know what you do for Firewall and AV, but there are excellent onl-line virus scanners (Trend Micro, Panda, etc.).

I would do all of the above before considering replacing/upgrading your HD.

Hope this helps!

hey,

thank you for your response! I did what you said, did a complete registry scan and got rid of all the junk, got rid of temp stuff etc etc
I've noticed about a 10% faster boot, somewhat of an improvement but not quite what I was hoping!

I have, of course, limited the start up programs to a minimum.
I only have statbar, an nvidia driver controller thingy, window blinds and the backround program that runs so I can use the remote control I have for my PC.

edit: and some other things that looked important and i didn't try unchecking.

i wish i knew what the problem was!
i'm going to try tuneup utilities 2006 and see if that does any better.
thanks guys