The new WRX

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JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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*falls asleep from just being near the aura generated by Jules' new car* But yeah, prepare for mild to moderate disappointment in Concept -> Production styling. Anyhow, we'll find out in 1 moar day what they've got planned.

We could talk about my literbike if you want.
 

Vdubchaos

Lifer
Nov 11, 2009
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I simply can't take concept cars seriously. I don't even bother getting excited about them as there has never been one that was close to it in production form.

When it comes out, I might care. But to be honest I don't see myself buying a new car anytime in the near future anyways.
 

z1ggy

Lifer
May 17, 2008
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I simply can't take concept cars seriously. I don't even bother getting excited about them as there has never been one that was close to it in production form.

When it comes out, I might care. But to be honest I don't see myself buying a new car anytime in the near future anyways.

That's the thing though, I thought this was supposed to be released as a 2014 model sometime next spring? If so, then what they show off at the auto show should be something they feel is pretty close to production ready.

I will be pissed if the release isn't until end of 2014/ early 2015.
 

Aharami

Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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That's the thing though, I thought this was supposed to be released as a 2014 model sometime next spring? If so, then what they show off at the auto show should be something they feel is pretty close to production ready.

I will be pissed if the release isn't until end of 2014/ early 2015.

i have a feeling that's what's gonna happen
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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I simply can't take concept cars seriously. I don't even bother getting excited about them as there has never been one that was close to it in production form.

When it comes out, I might care. But to be honest I don't see myself buying a new car anytime in the near future anyways.

Off the top of my head, the Pontiac Solstice, the new VW Beetle, the Porsche Boxster, and the Chevy Camaro were nearly identical to their concepts.
 

Vdubchaos

Lifer
Nov 11, 2009
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That's the thing though, I thought this was supposed to be released as a 2014 model sometime next spring? If so, then what they show off at the auto show should be something they feel is pretty close to production ready.

I will be pissed if the release isn't until end of 2014/ early 2015.

Look at the history of "concept" cars from ALL manufactures.

History tells me, you will be disappointed.

To me, Concept car means NOTHING
 

z1ggy

Lifer
May 17, 2008
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As was the BRZ, also a recent Subaru product.

Yeah I was going to say, when I was searching google for BRZ body kits, I found some old pics from auto shows with the concept BRZ about 1 year before they hit the streets. Some things changed, but over all, it was pretty similar.

Man that freaking sucks of Subaru. So it's going to be a 2015 model in the end of 2014? So we will basically have the same wrx for the better part of half a decade. Meh...stinks.
 

Vdubchaos

Lifer
Nov 11, 2009
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Yeah I was going to say, when I was searching google for BRZ body kits, I found some old pics from auto shows with the concept BRZ about 1 year before they hit the streets. Some things changed, but over all, it was pretty similar.

Man that freaking sucks of Subaru. So it's going to be a 2015 model in the end of 2014? So we will basically have the same wrx for the better part of half a decade. Meh...stinks.

It's just a company.....it's just a car. No big deal.

Also even when it comes out, do you really want to buy a 1st year model??? I would give it good 2-3 years.....
 

phucheneh

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Jun 30, 2012
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The car in the OP's link is okay, except for the fact that it looks like every single other car being made. See-uhs-lee, guys...am I the only one that sees car design converging upon some kind of strange aesthetic singularity?
 

xSkyDrAx

Diamond Member
Sep 14, 2003
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Looks a bit like a BRZ mixed with the new Mazda 6. Good but a bit generic. I actually like its current looks which is so unmistakably Subaru/WRX/STi -ish
 
Mar 11, 2004
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Efficiency for high power applications. You're decoupling a direct kinetic link between the engine (belt/exhaust gas turbine) for an electric generation method of some kind (regenerative braking? bigger alternator?) to produce the additional necessary power to spin the turbo up.

Extra complexity for limited / no gain at high HP. Why?

It's fine for low pressure, high efficiency engines maybe. But it's not an enthusiast level solution by any means.

Why don't we instead work on superchargers with gearboxes or something for more low end variable grunt then?

No you're not. Basically they're just adding an electric drive component to the turbo so that they can adjust the spooling of the turbo separate from the pressure created by the engine. It shouldn't add much complexity or cost and won't require a lot of extra power (actually can be used to generate power as extra pressure can be bled off and stored instead of just released by a wastegate/blowoff valve; it could conceivably replace an alternator).

It allows you better control over spooling the turbo, namely at low speeds, and at higher speeds when the exhaust pressure is pushing the turbo you can use the electric setup to generate electricity.

At least electric turbos I believe are that way. Electric superchargers are a different story, but through the use of say regenerative braking, you should be able to net more efficiency by removing it as a drain on the engine. In that case it'd be all about efficiency (so it wouldn't go into a performance car) as I just don't see that being able to produce the power boost you'd want. I think it'd also take a well integrated system, probably with something like pneumatic or electronic valves to really make it worthwhile.
 
Mar 11, 2004
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The car in the OP's link is okay, except for the fact that it looks like every single other car being made. See-uhs-lee, guys...am I the only one that sees car design converging upon some kind of strange aesthetic singularity?

No and in fact car designers have been saying this would happen for a long time, but especially in the last 10 years as aerodynamics, safety, and packaging constraints dictate shapes.
 

phucheneh

Diamond Member
Jun 30, 2012
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I'm pretty sure getting decent boost would require an effing starter motor bolted to the compressor. One capable of many tens of thousands of RPM.

And you couldn't 'regenerate' with it for multiple reasons that I really don't want to try to get into. Most importantly is the lack of mass...braking the compressor wheel with electromagnets would...well, probably break the compressor wheel. It would be like compressor surge from hell, I would think.
 
Mar 10, 2005
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The car in the OP's link is okay, except for the fact that it looks like every single other car being made. See-uhs-lee, guys...am I the only one that sees car design converging upon some kind of strange aesthetic singularity?

you mean cars look like ugly sneakers?
 

Phanuel

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Apr 25, 2008
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Wonder how long this will take to actually become a production car. Turn around on the new A3 for example has been nearly 2.5 years.
 

Aharami

Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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when it takes production form. (No word at all on when we might expect a production-ready car.)

yea, this car isnt coming till 2015 at the earliest. a little disappointed. Was hoping to put in the order this fall
 
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