The next NVIDIA's high end, GT212

[bestassembler]

Got an interesting pic online, which is an ELSA's leak of NVIDIA's roadmap.

[http://uneit.com/2008/09/08/le...s-next-high-end-gt212/]

Cannot tell if GT212 will be built on 40 or 45nm. Seen from the marketing margin this GT212 got placed in, it should be the next king, but the name of GT instead of GTX indicates more. Maybe NVIDIA will roll out more powerful chip? Or is NIVDIA changing its naming strategy.

GT212 will be rolled out in the first half of 2009. That means GTX280 will have a safe half year to live on.



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[Tab]

Wow, doesn't look like we'll see any big performance bumps for a while...

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Tab
Wow, doesn't look like we'll see any big performance bumps for a while...

We just saw two huge ones.

 

[Sylvanas]

Believe it when I see it, doubt we will see these new GPU's that early.

 

[MarcVenice]

Did we myocardia? 2 8800gt's in SLI still beat a gtx280 in most cases. That's 2 year old tech for you. Maybe thats because the old tech rocks, and still does rock. But all we really saw was a HUGE increase in die size, with more shaders, rops, tmu's and bandwith cramped into it. And they didn't come cheap, at all. I want something revolutionary again like the 8800gtx which really blew the 7 series out of the water...

 

[Bateluer]

The GT200s remind me a lot of the Geforce FX series. Lots of hype, impressive feature set, mediocre performance in the face of competition, and arguably, higher than average RMA rates.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Did we myocardia? 2 8800gt's in SLI still beat a gtx280 in most cases. That's 2 year old tech for you. Maybe thats because the old tech rocks, and still does rock. But all we really saw was a HUGE increase in die size, with more shaders, rops, tmu's and bandwith cramped into it. And they didn't come cheap, at all. I want something revolutionary again like the 8800gtx which really blew the 7 series out of the water...

G92 cores have been on the market two years already? Wow, time flies.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
The GT200s remind me a lot of the Geforce FX series. Lots of hype, impressive feature set, mediocre performance in the face of competition, and arguably, higher than average RMA rates.

Not even close. The FX lost to the competition, had worse PQ, and was hot.

 

[Genx87]

That road map isn't very descriptive. Is it just a die shrink or will they be adding clock\more processing power?

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

The GT200s remind me a lot of the Geforce FX series. Lots of hype, impressive feature set, mediocre performance in the face of competition, and arguably, higher than average RMA rates.

Mediocre performance? It has the single card performance crown so there's nothing "mediocre" about it.

 

[dug777]

My local has a GTX350 listed as coming in stock in Q4 this year. Is that nonsense?

Listing is:

Nvidia GeForce GTX 350 (Q4 2008) GT300-GPU 55nm PCI-E2.0 2GB GDDR5 512-bit

Price and stock are 'call'

 

[sourthings]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: Bateluer

The GT200s remind me a lot of the Geforce FX series. Lots of hype, impressive feature set, mediocre performance in the face of competition, and arguably, higher than average RMA rates.

Mediocre performance? It has the single card performance crown so there's nothing "mediocre" about it.

Single GPU yes. But single card, no, 4870X2 is the fastest graphics card you can put in a single slot in your pc.

 

[Borealis7]

I think AMD/ATI would be very happy if Nvidia continues to make high-price-single-chip-big-performance cards while they capture every other consumer market segment (mid-range, low-range-HTPC and mobile but not IGP since Intel has that).

i'd like to bring up the point which is that we dont need more power in our chips right now. what we need is lower prices, lower power consumption and less heat (or better cooling). because there is no difference between 141 and 160 FPS in ET:QW or UT3 but there is a difference in the electric bill for Air Conditioning.

 

[sourthings]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Did we myocardia? 2 8800gt's in SLI still beat a gtx280 in most cases. That's 2 year old tech for you. Maybe thats because the old tech rocks, and still does rock. But all we really saw was a HUGE increase in die size, with more shaders, rops, tmu's and bandwith cramped into it. And they didn't come cheap, at all. I want something revolutionary again like the 8800gtx which really blew the 7 series out of the water...

G92 cores have been on the market two years already? Wow, time flies.

G92 was just a die shrink of G80, so yeah, it's two year old tech. I was excited for the 280s release, planned on getting two, then it released and was slower than 9800GX2 and 150% the performance of 8800GTX, a letdown.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Tab
Wow, doesn't look like we'll see any big performance bumps for a while...

We just saw two huge ones.

Well, it was a few months ago?

I just think it's crap that I still can't play crysis @ 1920x1080 at decent frame rates on a single card - even with the eye candy down.

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: sourthings

G92 was just a die shrink of G80, so yeah, it's two year old tech. I was excited for the 280s release, planned on getting two, then it released and was slower than 9800GX2 and 150% the performance of 8800GTX, a letdown.

Using that logic, GT200 is just another iteration of the G80 Core as well...so it is still 2 year old technolgy

 

[apoppin]

it doesn't say GT212 is q1 09
- more likely q2 09

Nvidia wishes
- this is best case scenario they present to their partners

The 55nm transition will bring some improvements in Q3; probably 212 is just another speed bump or refinement in 09
.. the transition to 45nm or lower will probably take longer and we should see it just before AMD transitions to its own 40nm process

the next DX11 GPUs .. the new architecture ... should roll out with the New Vista OS replacement .. 2010?

 

[JTsyo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
it doesn't say GT212 is q1 09
- more likely q2 09

Nvidia wishes
- this is best case scenario they present to their partners

The 55nm transition will bring some improvements in Q3; probably 212 is just another speed bump or refinement in 09
.. the transition to 45nm or lower will probably take longer and we should see it just before AMD transitions to its own 40nm process

the next DX11 GPUs .. the new architecture ... should roll out with the New Vista OS replacement .. 2010?

From what I saw in an article about Nvision 2008. DX11 will be out for Vista.

http://www.extremetech.com/art.../0,2845,2329314,00.asp

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: sourthings

G92 was just a die shrink of G80, so yeah, it's two year old tech. I was excited for the 280s release, planned on getting two, then it released and was slower than 9800GX2 and 150% the performance of 8800GTX, a letdown.

Using that logic, GT200 is just another iteration of the G80 Core as well...so it is still 2 year old technolgy

And extending that logic, are most of us still using the x86 architecture, and how old is this?

Revolutionary technology only comes once about every 10 years. The rest is evolutionary, just like everything in life.

I personally think that it's the game developers and programmers that need to be "revolutionary". The hardwares are fast today. But the softwares are still 5 years behind. Bringing the softwares up to date with hardwares alone will probably give us a "revolutionary" improvement in gaming. Most PC enthusiasts are too hardware-focused. Faster hardwares will drive "old softwres" faster, but soon you will hit a limitation (a decreasing return) in computing if the software does quantum leap in its method. If you run Win98 on a Pentium 4, you'll be surprised that Win98 doesn't run much quicker than on a Pentium 2! Does this mean that the P4 is a just a marginal improvement over a P2? Maybe. But more than that, it shows the limitation of Win98.

Is it time that we demand multithreading 64bit games??? We've had the hardware platform for game developers to do this for almost the last 2 years now, and yet here we are still focused on the hardware! Where's the f*ing software to take advantage of all the hardwar eh? And no I'm not talking about some computation softwares either! I'm talking about games for the masses.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Did we myocardia? 2 8800gt's in SLI still beat a gtx280 in most cases. That's 2 year old tech for you. Maybe thats because the old tech rocks, and still does rock. But all we really saw was a HUGE increase in die size, with more shaders, rops, tmu's and bandwith cramped into it. And they didn't come cheap, at all. I want something revolutionary again like the 8800gtx which really blew the 7 series out of the water...

QFT.

We did get more power consumption and a big increase in die size... Although definitely not SLOWER than the 88xx generation, they really aren't a big jump either. This is espcially true if you are already running a 8800GT/GTS/GTX SLI setup; you would see marginal (and depending on the driver version) worse performance in some cases. Couple that with insane power requirements and heat generation, it certainly isn't worth ponying up $500.00 IMHO.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
The GT200s remind me a lot of the Geforce FX series. Lots of hype, impressive feature set, mediocre performance in the face of competition

The GTX280 is STILL the fastest GPU on the market. I guess that would make the ATI cards worse than the FX series.

 

[shangshang]

And why are people comparing a single GPU to a multi-GPU solution??? If you put enough of the slower and less optimized x86 cores together (eg, Lararbee), then you'll eventually beat a single GPU too. So I guess if we put like 100 x86 cores together and do raytracing, then we'll eventually get a "revolutionary" design too.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: sourthings

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Did we myocardia? 2 8800gt's in SLI still beat a gtx280 in most cases. That's 2 year old tech for you. Maybe thats because the old tech rocks, and still does rock. But all we really saw was a HUGE increase in die size, with more shaders, rops, tmu's and bandwith cramped into it. And they didn't come cheap, at all. I want something revolutionary again like the 8800gtx which really blew the 7 series out of the water...

G92 cores have been on the market two years already? Wow, time flies.

G92 was just a die shrink of G80, so yeah, it's two year old tech. I was excited for the 280s release, planned on getting two, then it released and was slower than 9800GX2 and 150% the performance of 8800GTX, a letdown.

And the x86 is how old exactly?
"just a die shrink" is a stupid argument...
Also, changes were made, small ones, but they were made.

Anyways, anyone else notice there is a 3rd 9800GTX on that slide?
From what I could see (its blurry) there is the 9800GTX, 9800GTX+ with the red arrow saying "9800GTX+ 512B3 2DT", and then a third 9800GTX+ with some tiny script underneath I cant make out and the arrow forward said "9800GTX+ HDV", also the 9800+ is listed in the same performance bracket as the 9800, but the second 9800+ is listed higher...

Although honestly, I don't expect that to mean anything.

Also.. GT212 sounds slower then GTX260, but notice it too is higher on the "performance" part of the scale then the GTX260. Another misleading name to get rid of older hardware? (remember the 8800GT? for months after it came out i saw it in stores being sold for about half the price of 8800GTX 640MB and even some 320MB cards that it outperformed...)

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Bateluer
The GT200s remind me a lot of the Geforce FX series. Lots of hype, impressive feature set, mediocre performance in the face of competition

The GTX280 is STILL the fastest GPU on the market. I guess that would make the ATI cards worse than the FX series.

Yup. You nailed it Wreckage. The GTX280 is the fastest single GPU card, therefore the Radeon 4870 is not as good as the FX5200.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
2 8800gt's in SLI still beat a gtx280 in most cases.

Right, but not two GTX 280.

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
And they didn't come cheap, at all. I want something revolutionary again like the 8800gtx which really blew the 7 series out of the water...

The 8800 GTX wasn't very cheap either.