The next step up after 2001FP?

[jbond04]

Originally posted by: Imyourzero
If you think a more accurate 2D image, less power consumption, more desk space, and the fact that the monitor doesn't serve as a space heater for the room sucks, then uh...I guess it does suck for us? :roll:

Aren't you forgetting the FAR superiour color reproduction, ability to keep up with fast motion, and capability to change resolutions? Oh, wait, those are CRT advantages... Of those 4 advantages you list above, only 2D accuracy is performance related, and that is such a minor advantage over high-end CRT monitors that it's not really worth mentioning.

On a different note, Sickbeast, what kind of CAD work do you do (industry, software)?

 

[Sideswipe001]

Originally posted by: jbond04

Originally posted by: Imyourzero
If you think a more accurate 2D image, less power consumption, more desk space, and the fact that the monitor doesn't serve as a space heater for the room sucks, then uh...I guess it does suck for us? :roll:

Aren't you forgetting the FAR superiour color reproduction, ability to keep up with fast motion, and capability to change resolutions? Oh, wait, those are CRT advantages... Of those 4 advantages you list above, only 2D accuracy is performance related, and that is such a minor advantage over high-end CRT monitors that it's not really worth mentioning.

On a different note, Sickbeast, what kind of CAD work do you do (industry, software)?

My old CRT had horrible color reproduction compared to my Samsung 191T. Personally, CRTs bother me to use now, after having used LCDs for a while. Only issue I have with mine is burn-in if I leave it on too long with the same stuff on screen.

 

[jbond04]

Originally posted by: Sideswipe001
My old CRT had horrible color reproduction compared to my Samsung 191T. Personally, CRTs bother me to use now, after having used LCDs for a while. Only issue I have with mine is burn-in if I leave it on too long with the same stuff on screen.

We're talking about high-end stuff here, though. At its core, CRT technology has superior color reproduction, can handle fast motion, and has the ability to change resolution. Granted, some monitors may be better than others, but if you know what you're shopping for, then you'll be fine. For example, I have the best 19" monitor on the market, the NEC FP955 (now known as the NEC/Mitsubishi DP930). For around $300, it's got the best dot pitch on the market, amazing colors, as well as pretty good refresh rates and resolutions. Not even the most expensive LCD monitor can match the performance of it, which is the ONLY thing holding me back from getting an LCD. I would have been all over the LCD thing a long time ago if there weren't such a performance difference between the two technologies. I use CAD and 3D animation software extensively, plus I play UT2004 like there's no tomorrow...an LCD just can't take that kind of abuse.

I really like the smaller formfactor of LCD monitors, but the performance trade-off is too great for me. I'm waiting for a new display technology to woo me, because I don't know if LCD will ever be able to...

 

[Imyourzero]

Originally posted by: jbond04

Originally posted by: Imyourzero
If you think a more accurate 2D image, less power consumption, more desk space, and the fact that the monitor doesn't serve as a space heater for the room sucks, then uh...I guess it does suck for us? :roll:

Aren't you forgetting the FAR superiour color reproduction, ability to keep up with fast motion, and capability to change resolutions? Oh, wait, those are CRT advantages...

That's funny; both of the LCD's I've owned had no problems with color reproduction or ghosting. LCD's have improved greatly; the newer ones are a LOT better at color reproduction and fast motion than the older ones. Besides that, if your colors are slightly off from the factory there are adjustments on the monitor and software utilities that allow you to fine-tune the color if need be.

 

[Imyourzero]

Originally posted by: jbond04

Originally posted by: Sideswipe001
My old CRT had horrible color reproduction compared to my Samsung 191T. Personally, CRTs bother me to use now, after having used LCDs for a while. Only issue I have with mine is burn-in if I leave it on too long with the same stuff on screen.

We're talking about high-end stuff here, though. At its core, CRT technology has superior color reproduction, can handle fast motion, and has the ability to change resolution. Granted, some monitors may be better than others, but if you know what you're shopping for, then you'll be fine. For example, I have the best 19" monitor on the market, the NEC FP955 (now known as the NEC/Mitsubishi DP930). For around $300, it's got the best dot pitch on the market, amazing colors, as well as pretty good refresh rates and resolutions. Not even the most expensive LCD monitor can match the performance of it, which is the ONLY thing holding me back from getting an LCD. I would have been all over the LCD thing a long time ago if there weren't such a performance difference between the two technologies. I use CAD and 3D animation software extensively, plus I play UT2004 like there's no tomorrow...an LCD just can't take that kind of abuse.

Maybe not the ones you've looked at. Perhaps you need to look at some of the "high-end stuff" you talked about above. Funny how thousands of people don't have any problem playing UT2K4, Doom3, Far Cry, etc. on a good LCD.

Your CRT may be one of the best, but the performance gap in color reproduction and fast motion you speak of isn't as huge as you make it out to be. For many LCD users (with quality displays) it's a non-issue. Better go warm your hands by that CRT while you can. CRT's are on the way out. So if you really like that monitor, you might want to stock up.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: jrphoenix
EDIT... Also, that 50" DLP has 1280 x 1024 resolution (I think??)

Actually it should have a 1920x1080 maximum resolution AFAIK. That's over 2 megapixels. :Q

I'd love to play some Doom 3 on our new 50" HDTV, but my parents would kill me. I'm not sure if any games support 16:9 aspect resolutions anyways.

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: jrphoenix
EDIT... Also, that 50" DLP has 1280 x 1024 resolution (I think??)

Actually it should have a 1920x1080 maximum resolution AFAIK. That's over 2 megapixels. :Q

I'd love to play some Doom 3 on our new 50" HDTV, but my parents would kill me. I'm not sure if any games support 16:9 aspect resolutions anyways.

Ask them? If they agree, please post some pics of it in action.... would be interesting to see.

Plus, People please. Have some decency. Stop turning this thread into LCD Vs. CRT. We all know fine well that they have their differences which make them useful to some users and not others.

Lets get back onto the issue please.

 

[ojingoh]

doom 3 does indeed support widescreen. i have one of the beleagured crt monitors that evidently is old hat (sony fw900) and i can rock out with my c+++ out @1920x 1200. that's actually 16:10, but who's counting? you can change the config file to support widescreen, it's easy.
in the last year most games i've been playing support, either by a hack or by design true widescreen modes. having played both, i won't go back to the narrow screen again.
fwiw, sharp just released a new lcd home htdv display that takes native dvi -- 45" of lovin' @ 1920x1080. not for $1500, but maybe in a few years...

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: jbond04

Originally posted by: Imyourzero
If you think a more accurate 2D image, less power consumption, more desk space, and the fact that the monitor doesn't serve as a space heater for the room sucks, then uh...I guess it does suck for us? :roll:

Aren't you forgetting the FAR superiour color reproduction, ability to keep up with fast motion, and capability to change resolutions? Oh, wait, those are CRT advantages... Of those 4 advantages you list above, only 2D accuracy is performance related, and that is such a minor advantage over high-end CRT monitors that it's not really worth mentioning.

On a different note, Sickbeast, what kind of CAD work do you do (industry, software)?

I do architectural work in CAD and 3D Max. All of the advantages of CRTs that you mentionned above have little or no impact on what I do. CAD does not require accurate colour reproduction; you work with a palette of 256 colours which do not usually reflect the colour of the output whatsoever (most of the time colour determines line thickness; CAD output is usually black and white). 3D Max is a different story I suppose, but the colours of the finishes that you use can easily be obtained using colour swatches and such.

I have never had to change resolutions while working on a project. Ghosting is a minor annoyance and is noticeable in CAD, but to me the headache factor far outweighs it. The heat output of the CRTs in my office forced us to crank up the A/C every day. Desk space is also a factor, especially if you're running an office in a densely populated area where office space is extremely expensive.

I paid $600CDN for my CRT and $600CDN for my LCD, and from my personal experience, the LCD is vastly superior for my type of work.

 

[Shagga]

This thread has whet my appetite to connect my PC to my 43" Pioneer PDP-434HDE Plasma and have a game of Doom3. Shame it will only do 1024 x 768

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Shagga
This thread has whet my appetite to connect my PC to my 43" Pioneer PDP-434HDE Plasma and have a game of Doom3. Shame it will only do 1024 x 768

You'll be surprised how good 1024x768 looks. I tried Doom3 on my X1 DLP projector. 100"+ screen and 5.1 Surround sound at 800x600 on my flashed FX5950 U. Playing in the complete dark is downright scary but awesome. I sit about 15 feet away on my sofa so everything looks smooth to me.

I actually prefer playing FarCry and Doom3 on my projector than on my desktop. On my desktop, I play both games at 1600x1200 on my Sony 21" and 6800GT. While games might look prettier on my CRT monitor with the increased resolution, it lacks the immersion factor that X1 provides with its giant image. Vice City is another great game to play on the big screen.