The NFL rule shortfalls

[Anubis]

What alternative is good? Do you like the shootout?

KT

i like an extra period, sport is irrelevant and then if its still tied a shootout. obviously that would not work for handegg, but for real Football and Hockey it is IMO is a better system

 

[Exterous]

There sure are...but have you ever looked into the types of lives these quarterbacks have after retiring? And remember...retirement age for a hall of fame QB is around 38-40. super young.

Namath's arm is practically vestigial at this point, and this isn't that unusual. For O Linemen, the knees are fucked for the rest of your life.

Few people actually pay attention to this, but life after the NFL for these guys is anything but rosy. You may see them hamming it up in front of the camera endorsing whatever, or commenting before or during a game, but life is often hell outside of the public eye.

Oh I know about the long term affects. I didn't play in college becuase I already had shoulder and ankle problems (not to mention I didn't want to gain the weight to continue being a lineman/tightend)

The point is it's a contact sport. Thats why we (players and/or fans) love it. Thats the risk they take when they accept the millions of dollars. Maybe my viewpoint is too harsh. I don't know. I guess we will find out if they continue down this road and we see if they lose fans or not

 

[KeithTalent]

i like an extra period, sport is irrelevant and then if its still tied a shootout. obviously that would not work for handegg, but for real Football and Hockey it is IMO is a better system

That can be good. I know they used to do it like that in the World Cup (Soccer) until going to the Golden Goal for the last couple. The old rules did sometimes make for exciting OT with teams going back and forth and scoring multiple times, but the Golden Goal is pretty damn awesome. :hmm:

KT

 

[Adrenaline]

60%. That's over 148 OT games from 2000-2007. It's a large enough discrepancy that it should be changed.

I heard something along the lines of 52% since sudden death OT has been going in the NFL.

 

[Pacemaker]

With the way they keep making defense harder and harder to play (can't hit the QB high, can't hit him low, can't touch the receiver after 5 yards, can't hit a defenseless receiver, can't lead with your helmet, etc), it makes the current overtime rules unfair. Play a quarter, make them play until the score isn't tied after they have had the same number of kicks to them, use the college system, make them win by 4. I don't care what they do as almost anything is better than the current rules.

 

[Fizzorin]

The probability of winning in OT without the other team touching the ball on offense (~39%) is almost exactly equal to the probability of any given offensive possession ending in a TD or FG (~36%). Adjust for the fact that teams are slightly more likely to score in OT as they play for a FG and the numbers are basically dead-nuts even.

This tells me that in 6 of 10 games that go to OT, BOTH teams will have at least one offensive possession (which eliminates that complaint) and in the other 4 the team that lost deserved to lose (since they gave up a legit score).

Now, if teams scored 36% of the time but OT games were won with one possession 60% of the time, THAT would be a broken OT system.

 

[zinfamous]

Thing is with all the wussy rules in place now, they're teaching defenders to go for the ball instead of a tackle, simply because there's far too many flags thrown for stupid shit if you actually try to make a stop. About mid-season, a lot of "top" teams were in the air because their defenses couldn't (wouldn't) tackle worth shit. THIS is why the big plays happen so often now - because defenses are being told not to go for the hit and wrap anymore.

yeah, and it's b/c of this that I'm not a fan of the newest Brady rule. but it came about mostly b/c of unnecessary low hits, not low wraps and tackles, no?

 

[zinfamous]

i agree that SD OT sucks

also IMO you should NOT be allowed to just take a knee and blow nearly 2 min off the clock at the end of the game, you should be FORCED to actually play the game and if you fuck it up and lose thats your own fault

what? That's retarded. It's all about clock management, which you have to consider throughout the duration of the game. Being able to take a knee or 3 at the end is completely determined by both teams' performances throughout--piss poor, or even desperately necessary timeout calls and such.

 

[zinfamous]

As for Mike & Mike, I would listen to Golic but not Greenberg. Greenberg never played in the sport so his opinion is of a commentator. Greenberg's opinion is no better than anyone else who sits beyond the sidelines.

so you're basically saying that the opinions of a boat load of team owners and general managers as towards the rules of the NFL, or I'm guessing any sport, should be invalidated?

....right....

 

[kalrith]

http://www.maa.org/mathland/mathtrek_11_08_04.html

from 1974-2003, the team that won the toss won the game 52% of the time. the bias isn't that strong. I wouldn't mind seeing college style OT be implemented in the NFL because I think it's more exciting, but I also don't see a strong need to change current NFL OT rules.

I'd like to see just the data since 1994 when they moved the kickoff back 5 yards. The article does mention that from 1974-1993 only 25% of the teams that won the OT coin toss won on their first drive, but that percentage increased to 33% after the rule change in 1994.

 

[kalrith]

sudden death OT sucks...... i like the AT OT much better.

fixed

 

[Adrenaline]

so you're basically saying that the opinions of a boat load of team owners and general managers as towards the rules of the NFL, or I'm guessing any sport, should be invalidated?

....right....

The people that OWN the team are far different than someone who ONLY commentates on it. Beyond the sidelines. Owners and GMs get to hang out on the sidelines all the time and hang out in their offices running the team.

 

[chalmers]

Definitely NOT the college system. That is garbage. It totally removes many aspects/strategies of the game. It's hardly even real football.

 

[Freshgeardude]

its no ones fault ( except him an coordinator) brett 'baby' favre threw that interception at the end. they could have made the field goal at the spot they were, or even run the ball.

anyways, I wanted to see the cry baby lose, especially since they beat the cowboys

 

[lupi]

college OT is about the most pansy assed half baked system out there, and coming from the NCAA that's a real accomplishment. grow some balls and learn to play all 3 phases of the game or join Donovan F. McNabb in the fairy tale land of games ending in a tie.

 

[Syringer]

This is by far the most logical, sensible solution to OT I've ever heard, and it's oh so simple that I'm shocked that I've never heard of it before:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/17241/simple-solution-to-overtime-rules
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How about this, rather than starting 'all over', why not just start the overtime as if the game did not just end," theoldred29 offered. "For example, in the Cards-Packers game, the Cards missed the field goal and Green Bay took possession on the 27-yard-line or so. Why not let them start there? In NFC championship, the Saints had the ball, so they would start where they had it. Same down and distance.
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Brilliance.

You lose a bit of the excitement of the 2 minute drill if the game is tied, as there's less pressure to score quickly in that scenario, but that's the only drawback I can think of. If a team is down and driving, there's still obviously a lot of incentive to score and run your 2 minute drill.

 

[dank69]

This is by far the most logical, sensible solution to OT I've ever heard, and it's oh so simple that I'm shocked that I've never heard of it before:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/17241/simple-solution-to-overtime-rules
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How about this, rather than starting 'all over', why not just start the overtime as if the game did not just end," theoldred29 offered. "For example, in the Cards-Packers game, the Cards missed the field goal and Green Bay took possession on the 27-yard-line or so. Why not let them start there? In NFC championship, the Saints had the ball, so they would start where they had it. Same down and distance.
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Brilliance.

You lose a bit of the excitement of the 2 minute drill if the game is tied, as there's less pressure to score quickly in that scenario, but that's the only drawback I can think of. If a team is down and driving, there's still obviously a lot of incentive to score and run your 2 minute drill.

If by brilliance you mean 'the dumbest thing posted in an already stupid thread' then yeah it is brilliant.

 

[zinfamous]

The people that OWN the team are far different than someone who ONLY commentates on it. Beyond the sidelines. Owners and GMs get to hang out on the sidelines all the time and hang out in their offices running the team.

But as far as commentators go, most of those, at least in this day, tend to come from player stock.

Unless you look at a guy like Jim Nance--a guy who represents most of the reasons CBS sports broadcasting puts me to sleep. (unless I mute the NCAA).

I mean...where does this guy come from? Golf and figure skating? give me an effing break!

 

[bignateyk]

It should be like hockey. Have a 10 minute overtime period, and then do a "shootout". You get your best offensive player (returner?) and give him the ball at the opposite endzone. Then you get your best defensive player and stick him at mid-field. Now you let the offensive player try to get by the defensive player. Then you keep changing out the 2 players like they do with the shooter in hockey. :awe: :biggrin: