It pretty much means that. Without exposure with the Real world and all the diversity, they are being given the short end of the stick.
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: sandorski
If they lack Socialization with their Peers, all that Knowledge gets wasted. It takes more than Knowledge to succeed, unless one is a total Geek and exceptional in some Field.
Seeing some of the kids that other kids socialize with and the way some schools are run now, I would prefer they stay at home and not mix with other kids.
That ultimately works against them. There has always been a Bad Crowd they should avoid, but that's a Minority.
No it doesn't. You are assuming that because kids are home schooled they don't go around other kids. You would be wrong. They do go around other kids, but kids more like them and kids that the parents know.
Home schooled does not mean locked in a room until they are adults.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: sandorski
If they lack Socialization with their Peers, all that Knowledge gets wasted. It takes more than Knowledge to succeed, unless one is a total Geek and exceptional in some Field.
Seeing some of the kids that other kids socialize with and the way some schools are run now, I would prefer they stay at home and not mix with other kids.
That ultimately works against them. There has always been a Bad Crowd they should avoid, but that's a Minority.
No it doesn't. You are assuming that because kids are home schooled they don't go around other kids. You would be wrong. They do go around other kids, but kids more like them and kids that the parents know.
Home schooled does not mean locked in a room until they are adults.
It pretty much means that. Without exposure with the Real world and all the diversity, they are being given the short end of the stick.
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: sandorski
If they lack Socialization with their Peers, all that Knowledge gets wasted. It takes more than Knowledge to succeed, unless one is a total Geek and exceptional in some Field.
Seeing some of the kids that other kids socialize with and the way some schools are run now, I would prefer they stay at home and not mix with other kids.
That ultimately works against them. There has always been a Bad Crowd they should avoid, but that's a Minority.
No it doesn't. You are assuming that because kids are home schooled they don't go around other kids. You would be wrong. They do go around other kids, but kids more like them and kids that the parents know.
Home schooled does not mean locked in a room until they are adults.
It pretty much means that. Without exposure with the Real world and all the diversity, they are being given the short end of the stick.
So in your mind the only place kids go is home and school ? Mine went to the mall, movies, games, parties, hung out with the neighbors. If they didn't go to the local school they would have still done all the other things.
Originally posted by: busmaster11
I think it was Augustine who once said we should never judge a theology by its abuse.
I am not defending this guy, but he failed. So what? I failed at many things and have given into sins many times. If you were to know me, I don't know how glorifying my life would be to Christ. But if you want to judge Christ, judge Him as He lived and preached according to the Bible - not on sinners who came after Him.
Most non-believers would much rather do the latter. Its' so much easier to judge then to think.
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: busmaster11
I think it was Augustine who once said we should never judge a theology by its abuse.
I am not defending this guy, but he failed. So what? I failed at many things and have given into sins many times. If you were to know me, I don't know how glorifying my life would be to Christ. But if you want to judge Christ, judge Him as He lived and preached according to the Bible - not on sinners who came after Him.
Most non-believers would much rather do the latter. Its' so much easier to judge then to think.
And what is the benefit of Christianity if it leads to more abuse than atheism? If that is the case than it seems the Christian God left a lousy message for his followers. Why would he do that if he was not malevolent?
It is no surprise that the Christians do not want you to judge their religion based on its record, because the record is so bad.
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: busmaster11
I think it was Augustine who once said we should never judge a theology by its abuse.
I am not defending this guy, but he failed. So what? I failed at many things and have given into sins many times. If you were to know me, I don't know how glorifying my life would be to Christ. But if you want to judge Christ, judge Him as He lived and preached according to the Bible - not on sinners who came after Him.
Most non-believers would much rather do the latter. Its' so much easier to judge then to think.
And what is the benefit of Christianity if it leads to more abuse than atheism? If that is the case than it seems the Christian God left a lousy message for his followers. Why would he do that if he was not malevolent?
It is no surprise that the Christians do not want you to judge their religion based on its record, because the record is so bad.
And what about people abusing their kids who don't give a shit about religion? Where I grew up and where I occasionally work (inner city) the parents (most likely parent) are more likely to get drunk and beat the crap out of someone, usually a family member. Maybe Daddy gets a little from the 12 year old daughter as well as momma.
You think these people show up at Sunday School?
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: busmaster11
I think it was Augustine who once said we should never judge a theology by its abuse.
I am not defending this guy, but he failed. So what? I failed at many things and have given into sins many times. If you were to know me, I don't know how glorifying my life would be to Christ. But if you want to judge Christ, judge Him as He lived and preached according to the Bible - not on sinners who came after Him.
Most non-believers would much rather do the latter. Its' so much easier to judge then to think.
And what is the benefit of Christianity if it leads to more abuse than atheism? If that is the case than it seems the Christian God left a lousy message for his followers. Why would he do that if he was not malevolent?
It is no surprise that the Christians do not want you to judge their religion based on its record, because the record is so bad.
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: busmaster11
I think it was Augustine who once said we should never judge a theology by its abuse.
I am not defending this guy, but he failed. So what? I failed at many things and have given into sins many times. If you were to know me, I don't know how glorifying my life would be to Christ. But if you want to judge Christ, judge Him as He lived and preached according to the Bible - not on sinners who came after Him.
Most non-believers would much rather do the latter. Its' so much easier to judge then to think.
And what is the benefit of Christianity if it leads to more abuse than atheism? If that is the case than it seems the Christian God left a lousy message for his followers. Why would he do that if he was not malevolent?
It is no surprise that the Christians do not want you to judge their religion based on its record, because the record is so bad.
And what about people abusing their kids who don't give a shit about religion? Where I grew up and where I occasionally work (inner city) the parents (most likely parent) are more likely to get drunk and beat the crap out of someone, usually a family member. Maybe Daddy gets a little from the 12 year old daughter as well as momma.
You think these people show up at Sunday School?
Is this a joke? I see churches all over the place in the inner city, poor people are typically far more religious than rich people. Does "clinging to religion and guns" sound familiar? Try taking a look at some of the risk factors for physical and sexual abuse and I think you'll find that atheism is not one of them.
Moreover, I'm not saying that we don't need a moral or ethical framework beyond atheism, just that a 2,000 year old Mediterranian ethical framwork based on fairy tales is not appropriate.
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: busmaster11
I think it was Augustine who once said we should never judge a theology by its abuse.
I am not defending this guy, but he failed. So what? I failed at many things and have given into sins many times. If you were to know me, I don't know how glorifying my life would be to Christ. But if you want to judge Christ, judge Him as He lived and preached according to the Bible - not on sinners who came after Him.
Most non-believers would much rather do the latter. Its' so much easier to judge then to think.
And what is the benefit of Christianity if it leads to more abuse than atheism? If that is the case than it seems the Christian God left a lousy message for his followers. Why would he do that if he was not malevolent?
It is no surprise that the Christians do not want you to judge their religion based on its record, because the record is so bad.
Tell that to the victims of the atheists Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Che, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il.
These idiots who manipulate people by claiming to be Christian do no things that Christ taught.
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
I would suggest that most, if not all of the individuals you named are or were pathologically insane. Unless you're suggesting that their insantity was in some way related to their atheism (which I think you need to demonstrate), this is just a meaningless list of seven atheists that were particularly bad people.
These idiots who manipulate people by claiming to be Christian do no things that Christ taught.
I'm surprised that an omnipotent God would tolerate these kinds of things to be done in his name. If I was omnipotent, and I wanted people to believe in me, believe that I was good, and love me, the first thing I'd do is make pretty damn sure no one was hurting people in my name.
I would suggest that most, if not all of the individuals you named are or were pathologically insane. Unless you're suggesting that their insantity was in some way related to their atheism (which I think you need to demonstrate), this is just a meaningless list of seven atheists that were particularly bad people.
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
I would suggest that most, if not all of the individuals you named are or were pathologically insane. Unless you're suggesting that their insantity was in some way related to their atheism (which I think you need to demonstrate), this is just a meaningless list of seven atheists that were particularly bad people.
So basically stupid people are stupid, murderous people are murderers, sociopaths are sociopaths.
These idiots who manipulate people by claiming to be Christian do no things that Christ taught.
I'm surprised that an omnipotent God would tolerate these kinds of things to be done in his name. If I was omnipotent, and I wanted people to believe in me, believe that I was good, and love me, the first thing I'd do is make pretty damn sure no one was hurting people in my name.
Keep digging that hole. Even an atheist would ridicule your intellectual incompetence. Google free will and go educate yourself.
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
I would suggest that most, if not all of the individuals you named are or were pathologically insane. Unless you're suggesting that their insantity was in some way related to their atheism (which I think you need to demonstrate), this is just a meaningless list of seven atheists that were particularly bad people.
So basically stupid people are stupid, murderous people are murderers, sociopaths are sociopaths.
These idiots who manipulate people by claiming to be Christian do no things that Christ taught.
I'm surprised that an omnipotent God would tolerate these kinds of things to be done in his name. If I was omnipotent, and I wanted people to believe in me, believe that I was good, and love me, the first thing I'd do is make pretty damn sure no one was hurting people in my name.
Keep digging that hole. Even an atheist would ridicule your intellectual incompetence. Google free will and go educate yourself.
So I guess omnipotent means "all powerfull, except for the ability to prevent bad things done in your name while leaving free will in tact?"
Wait, no, we're talking about God here. He could create six billion individual realities if he wanted to, and make sure that none of the fake people-bots we encountered in our day to day lives did bad things in his name.
Oh, and your childish insults sure are Christ-like. Go in peace, brother
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I would suggest that most, if not all of the individuals you named are or were pathologically insane. Unless you're suggesting that their insantity was in some way related to their atheism (which I think you need to demonstrate), this is just a meaningless list of seven atheists that were particularly bad people.
Let's see how this work.
Seven of the greatest villains in history were atheist, but because of that you give them a pass, yet when a few nutjobs like in the OP go on some spree who it can't be the same thing.
Now as for Mao, he wasn't insane. He was completely amoral and it suited his ideology to do just what he did. In his world it was normal. Being atheistic isn't being amoral, but I don't hate atheists or people who are religious. I judge them by their actions, unlike those "superior" types on BOTH sides.
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
I would suggest that most, if not all of the individuals you named are or were pathologically insane. Unless you're suggesting that their insantity was in some way related to their atheism (which I think you need to demonstrate), this is just a meaningless list of seven atheists that were particularly bad people.
So basically stupid people are stupid, murderous people are murderers, sociopaths are sociopaths.
These idiots who manipulate people by claiming to be Christian do no things that Christ taught.
I'm surprised that an omnipotent God would tolerate these kinds of things to be done in his name. If I was omnipotent, and I wanted people to believe in me, believe that I was good, and love me, the first thing I'd do is make pretty damn sure no one was hurting people in my name.
Keep digging that hole. Even an atheist would ridicule your intellectual incompetence. Google free will and go educate yourself.
So I guess omnipotent means "all powerfull, except for the ability to prevent bad things done in your name while leaving free will in tact?"
Wait, no, we're talking about God here. He could create six billion individual realities if he wanted to, and make sure that none of the fake people-bots we encountered in our day to day lives did bad things in his name.
Oh, and your childish insults sure are Christ-like. Go in peace, brother
Here let me bend over and turn the other butt cheek.
Max Blumenthal is right on the money. After reading through some of these letters I can't believe just how in denial some of these people are.
Here is another tortured soul, product of this Christianity, which truly is a nightmare. I carry deep resentment toward my mother, because a parental unit that fed and clothed me up until I left for college was all she ever was to me. My mother is a cold, unfeeling robot, and all her life, it seems her whole mission for me and my sisters was to "make sure we were saved."
I have never had any kind of meaningful conversation with my mother. Whenever I call her, she doesn't care how I'm doing, whether I've been sick, what new developments have happened at my job; all she cares is whether I still "believe in Jesus" or not. Beyond that, she couldn't give a damn. I have a living, breathing person who gave me birth to call me mother. But really, did I ever have one?
Up until the sixth grade I had been going to public schools, but I had always gone to church, and I too was indoctrinated with the idea that everything in the world is evil. I couldn't listen to secular music, and what I watched on TV was extremely monitored. The church I went to was that kind of church that always had to have everyone mind-controlled; those who disagreed in any way with the "elders" were dismissed as "demon-possessed." How convenient!
So my mother's church decided to start up a Christian school. One of those ACE, School of Tomorrow "schools," which basically consist of reading books where you fill in the blanks, peppered with having to learn religious scripture. It was good for the first couple of years, but then, little by little the school took a turn for the worst.
There was less and less recreation, and more and more prayer sessions. The pastor, who also doubled as the principal, began to impose all kinds of crazy rules and regulations. Parents were to makes sure children weren't listening to secular music or listening to the radio without parents there. At one point they were requiring to have TVs thrown out, and elders would come to your house to makes sure this happened. If a kid was found out to have possesed a secular CD, he would be ridiculed in front of the entire school.
One time, a boy and a girl were discovered somewhere holding hands. The entire school was called to the spot like an assembly, and the boy and girl were chastised and ridiculed for allowing "carnal thoughts" to move in. So during our breaks, we'd be heavily supervised.
But all that strictness was just a farce! For the school was corrupt as ever. I wondered why some kids got further a long all of a sudden; turns out the children's parents were in cahoots with the pastor. I had grown up in the church, so I knew what families rubbed elbows with the pastor, and I thought it was a bit of a coincidence that these kids had such an easy time in school. Others who weren't so lucky were always being given "demerits" for any infraction. Anyone who complained or had something to say that was against whatever was being imposed was said to be "possessed" and in need of prayer.
But really, what was happening in my school was happening on a grander scale in the church; the church was made such that anyone who had something opposing to say was "possessed" and would be ridiculed and pointed out in the middle of service. Sometimes, the pastor would immediately call for the entire congregation to surround someone to "pray the demon out."
It never happened to me, but I was always afraid of being accused of something. I wouldn't want to be caught as one who was "possessed," but it always irritated me that the pastors and supervisors always had something to say to me, and not others who were actually doing nasty things like cheating in their score sheets. (In the ACE system, children do their work and "score" it--correct it--with answer books that were available to anyone.) I was told "you worry about yourself." But if any of the favorite select kids pointed a finger, that was grounds for immediate scrutiny.
By my fourth year, I had had enough. It was a complete mindf___ to be in such an environment. I watched as some kids got kicked out of school (it turns out their parents weren't walking right with the Lord...), others got spanked for quite trivial things and others were humiliated being "prayed for" because they had an evil demon inside.
One day, I wasn't going to take it. Before the end of class every day, we have to stand up and bow our heads in prayer before being dismissed. Apparently, I didn't look "solemn" enough, and my supervisor (the pastor's son, who could basically get away with everything) insisted I stay behind and pray with "real penitence." I blew up at him. I don't remember what array of attrocities I yelled, but I told him I was never going to do what he told me ever again. I stormed out of there and ran as fast as I could and I took a public bus home. I told my parents that I don't know what they had to do, but I was never going to go back to that school again.
My mother told me I had to go back, but, for once, my father put his foot down, and we immediately started looking at "what public schools weren't so bad," much to my mother's dismay.
What kind of person would I have grown up to be if I stayed behind? I'm not sure I would have ever gone off to college; at that church, they teach you that the best education you should search out was the local junior college. Lucky for people at that church, a California State University had been newly instituted nearby; otherwise, they wouldn't have a chance. It was at the public school that I went to that they started gearing me towards broadening my horizons. My mother would not believe I was leaving home for college up to the very day I left.
On that day, a teacher and mentor of mine had personally agreed to pick me up in the morning and take me to my new educational institution three hours away. My mother was devastated; she tried to get quite a few people from the church to convince me that I didn't want to go out into the world that would "corrupt" me, but failed.
Since, I have seen other families collapse; two friends of mine who were home-schooled all the way up through highschool have been kicked out of their house and disowned by their family. The oldest turned out to be gay--a furry gay, mind you--and the other one was getting married to someone the family didn't approve of. My friends tell me that before he was kicked out, their mother told the eldest that he was possessed by an evil gay spirit, and tried to pray for him. That was the last they ever saw of her.
Another friend of mine, possibly the closest friend I ever had in my life, his mother was kicked out of the church for insubbordination. At the time, his two other siblings were attending that same Christian school, and when she tried to take them to school, one of the "elders," one whom I thought was supposed to be not so corrupt and more friendly, blocked them from coming.
And horror stories from that church-school still abound. Children being kicked out because they were "not right with the Lord" or "bad influences" on others. One of my friends is now in a mental institution. His older brother used to be one of those "model Christian youth" the elders would praise as the "ideal Christian." That church collapsed not so long ago, and today, without that system of praise and glory, that self-same young man is a pariah. He acts as if he's Jesus incarnate and can do no wrong, so nobody wants to be around him. Christanity does make people crazy, and I'm sure that had I not stood up for myself that day, I too would have ended up in similar situation.
Christianity is more than just a nightmare, it's a poison. I know quite a few Christians who share that sentiment of "Islam is evil because it subjigates women and causes wars; your family members can kill you if you're being unfaithful to Islam, etc., etc., etc." But they don't take a look in the mirror and realize just how screwed up Christianity in our own country is. Christainity is as bad as Islam, and groups like New Life Church are the American Taliban.
Murray was a product of this abject humiliation and mind control. I can't believe the attempts on here at circumventing. It can't be this system's screwed up absolute submission, it has to be "possession" or "mental illness." These people make me sick. Christanity is sick. It teaches people to cover up everything and keep up appearances. Time after time, these big-time "flock" owners turn out to be corrupt. It's all a farce.
It all really is a big lie. I feel sorry for the children that have to grow up in this system their parents are making them live through. As long as it continues, the mass murders committed by these poor disgruntled souls will continue.
Joe Cortez
Salinas, CA
09/23/2009 @ 6:19pm
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I would suggest that most, if not all of the individuals you named are or were pathologically insane. Unless you're suggesting that their insantity was in some way related to their atheism (which I think you need to demonstrate), this is just a meaningless list of seven atheists that were particularly bad people.
Let's see how this work.
Seven of the greatest villains in history were atheist, but because of that you give them a pass, yet when a few nutjobs like in the OP go on some spree who it can't be the same thing.
Now as for Mao, he wasn't insane. He was completely amoral and it suited his ideology to do just what he did. In his world it was normal. Being atheistic isn't being amoral, but I don't hate atheists or people who are religious. I judge them by their actions, unlike those "superior" types on BOTH sides.
A momentary diversion: I don't see how Che Guevara or Fidel Castro rank among the greates villians in history, although I'm a fan of neither.
The seven villians are also all men, but I don't think that had anything to do with it either. The nutjob in the OP attributed his own insanity to his religious upbringing. Not that I'm saying we should just take him at his word, but it's different than just throwing out a bunch of bad people who happened to be atheist.
Originally posted by: dahunan
Harming Science
Reducing Personal Freedom
Overtaking Governments and creating laws based on their books not their hearts
Destruction of young minds ability to use Reasoning skills and indoctrinating them into cult insanity
^^ just tip of iceberg
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I remember one story of the destruction of Alexandria supposedly being "If it is not a Koran, BURN IT"
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: dahunan
Harming Science
Reducing Personal Freedom
Overtaking Governments and creating laws based on their books not their hearts
Destruction of young minds ability to use Reasoning skills and indoctrinating them into cult insanity
^^ just tip of iceberg
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I remember one story of the destruction of Alexandria supposedly being "If it is not a Koran, BURN IT"
Heavens man! You'd better move into the cave. A religious person might find out where you live.
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: dahunan
Harming Science
Reducing Personal Freedom
Overtaking Governments and creating laws based on their books not their hearts
Destruction of young minds ability to use Reasoning skills and indoctrinating them into cult insanity
^^ just tip of iceberg
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I remember one story of the destruction of Alexandria supposedly being "If it is not a Koran, BURN IT"
Heavens man! You'd better move into the cave. A religious person might find out where you live.
Nah.. In God We Trust
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
As I recall, that kind of behavior is also forbidden by most Christian traditions :laugh:
But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.