The NRA answer to an assault weapons ban.

[sigurros81]

Aha ha. What a joke of an organization. I'm not for any ban on firearms, but man the NRA are nuts. Blaming video games and movies for psychos that go on shooting sprees. LOL.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Interestingly, vis a vis the NRA's proposal of an armed guard in every school, there was an armed guard at Columbine, and he exchanged gunfire with Eric Harris before most of the fatal shootings. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm

Certainly this is an illustration of the fact that more guns are not necessarily the answer to preventing tragedies like this (though I do not dismiss the NRA's suggestion out of hand).

 

[RampantAndroid]

Interestingly, vis a vis the NRA's proposal of an armed guard in every school, there was an armed guard at Columbine, and he exchanged gunfire with Eric Harris before most of the fatal shootings. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm

Certainly this is an illustration of the fact that more guns are not necessarily the answer to preventing tragedies like this (though I do not dismiss the NRA's suggestion out of hand).

Well, that guard also seems to have had little interest in making it back inside. I hate to question someone under pressure, but he was in an outside lot. Someone inside getting students out may have helped some.

I'm not sure I agree that armed guards are the best idea...but I do know my brother who works in a school doesn't feel the safest. Their current reaction is "you must lock all doors" - too bad the doors have glass.

Part of the answer is outside of the schools - dumb mothers not letting their troubled kid get access to guns so they can go on a spree. And yes, I just called the mother dumb.

But I also know more "gun free" zones won't stop the people who matter - the crazy people not obeying the laws. Like "gun free zone" laws...

 

[schneiderguy]

I'm sure that's what every school teacher, child, and parent wants... an NRA security squad patrolling every elementary school hall in the country.

The NRA is completely out of touch with society.

We had armed police officers on campus in high school and middle school.

Do you want a solution to the problem or not?

Personally I'd be fine with keeping the status quo, but by the amount of bleating I'm hearing I assumed people actually wanted something to fix the problem.

 

[schneiderguy]

Aha ha. What a joke of an organization. I'm not for any ban on firearms, but man the NRA are nuts. Blaming video games and movies for psychos that go on shooting sprees. LOL.

Aha ha. What a joke of an organization. I'm not for any ban on firearms, but man the entire Democratic Party are nuts. Blaming guns for psychos that go on shooting sprees. LOL.

 

[Geosurface]

The idea that every school in our nation needs an armed guard because .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of them have suffered a handful of tragic shooting events over the last few decades makes about as much sense as all of us starting to haul a lightning rod with us in a wagon 20 feet behind us at all times. Or everyone wearing a motorcycle helmet and boxing mouth guard at all times.

Just accept that shit happens and quit being a bunch of knee jerk, reactionary, fetal position piss puddle pussies, America.

 

[sigurros81]

Aha ha. What a joke of an organization. I'm not for any ban on firearms, but man the entire Democratic Party are nuts. Blaming guns for psychos that go on shooting sprees. LOL.

You sound like an idiot.

 

[xj0hnx]

As the other fact to mention, is the fact that the USA has no more or no less of fraction defective psychotics. Who will somehow kill their fellow country men and women for only psychotic reasons.

Yet when the USA leads the entire world in terms of psychotic gun violence as the psychotic weapon of choice, its hardly time to say yippee the USA is number one again. terms of gun violence being used against school age children. Simply because assault rifles access in the USA is the easiest way for US psychotics express their psychosis.

I really wish you ignorant twats would at least make an attempt to educate yourselves before your foaming at the mouth, emo rants. You really are only doing a disservice to yourself, and your cause when you lie for emotional impact, of course, that's probably your intention emotions, not facts.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The idea that every school in our nation needs an armed guard because .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of them have suffered a handful of tragic shooting events over the last few decades makes about as much sense as all of us starting to haul a lightning rod with us in a wagon 20 feet behind us at all times. Or everyone wearing a motorcycle helmet and boxing mouth guard at all times.

Just accept that shit happens and quit being a bunch of knee jerk, reactionary, fetal position piss puddle pussies, America.

Your consistent glibness and insensitivity in the wake of this tragedy continue to amaze me. While I may not agree with the NRA's particular proposed solution, I don't think doing nothing is the answer. Despite this you continue to act as though anyone who thinks we might enhance our society by learning something from the Sandy Hook incident is a naive moron (oh, sorry, I mean a "knee jerk reactionary (sic - I don't think you know what that word means), fetal position piss puddle pussy."

Honestly, what the hell is your problem?

 

[xj0hnx]

We had armed police officers on campus in high school and middle school.

Do you want a solution to the problem or not?

No, they do not. They want to carry their agenda on the corpses of the innocent dead. It isn't about saving children, it's about banning guns.

 

[Geosurface]

Your consistent glibness and insensitivity in the wake of this tragedy continue to amaze me. While I may not agree with the NRA's particular proposed solution, I don't think doing nothing is the answer. Despite this you continue to act as though anyone who thinks we might enhance our society by learning something from the Sandy Hook incident is a naive moron (oh, sorry, I mean a "knee jerk reactionary (sic - I don't think you know what that word means), fetal position piss puddle pussy."

Honestly, what the hell is your problem?

If someone lost a child, sibling, niece, nephew, sister, friend, whatever... in the Sandy Hook tragedy, they get a full and complete pass from me (here's your cue to say "oh how generous of you" like a sarcastic douche, btw) for wanting crazy, irrational reactions and legislation in response to said tragedy.

I completely get it.

In the heat of their emotion, such thoughts are not only forgivable they are natural.

Everyone else thinking along those lines? No excuse, no sympathy from me for doing so, and they irritate me in the extreme.

I have always HATED on a fundamental level, the notion of changes to existing laws, etc as a reaction to specific events.

 

[LumbergTech]

If someone lost a child, sibling, niece, nephew, sister, friend, whatever... in the Sandy Hook tragedy, they get a full and complete pass from me (here's your cue to say "oh how generous of you" like a sarcastic douche, btw) for wanting crazy, irrational reactions and legislation in response to said tragedy.

I completely get it.

In the heat of their emotion, such thoughts are not only forgivable they are natural.

Everyone else thinking along those lines? No excuse, no sympathy from me for doing so, and they irritate me in the extreme.

I have always HATED on a fundamental level, the notion of changes to existing laws, etc as a reaction to specific events.

you are too full of yourself, come down from the high horse

 

[Geosurface]

you are too full of yourself, come down from the high horse

Nah I'm good right here. Up on my horse of correctness.

 

[schneiderguy]

You sound like an idiot.

No kidding.

 

[buckshot24]

Certainly this is an illustration of the fact that more guns are not necessarily the answer to preventing tragedies like this (though I do not dismiss the NRA's suggestion out of hand).

I guess that's the problem, we can't prevent these tragedies. In trying to prevent them politicians make laws that can make things worse.

Unfortunately there aren't any perfect solutions here, there are only trade-offs.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

If someone lost a child, sibling, niece, nephew, sister, friend, whatever... in the Sandy Hook tragedy, they get a full and complete pass from me (here's your cue to say "oh how generous of you" like a sarcastic douche, btw) for wanting crazy, irrational reactions and legislation in response to said tragedy.

I completely get it.

In the heat of their emotion, such thoughts are not only forgivable they are natural.

Everyone else thinking along those lines? No excuse, no sympathy from me for doing so, and they irritate me in the extreme.

I have always HATED on a fundamental level, the notion of changes to existing laws, etc as a reaction to specific events.

The thing is, nobody is talking about changing laws "as a reaction to specific events." This was a wake-up call. This appears to be the third (at least) high-profile mass murder in just the last couple of years in which the shooter should have been civilly committed to a mental institution well before hurting anyone. I could list innumerable other, lower-profile cases (including one in which I was personally involved) in which people have committed murders only after their families attempted to get them mental health assistance and they could not, under our existing laws, be committed. This exact scenario leads to many many deaths every year in this country. I would like to see those laws changed, and see us return to having a robust mental health system in the United States, not only for the good of the actual and potential victims but for the good of the patients.

I think there may also be gun-law reforms which would be useful (and no, I am not talking about bans of any kind), such as requiring at least instant background checks in connection with private sales.

The instinct to want something good to come of this tragedy through legal reforms does not make me or anyone else with similar inclinations a "knee jerk reactionary (sic), fetal position piss puddle pussy." Your usage of language like that, "irritates me in the extreme," because you are acting like nothing but an arrogant, penny-ante nihilist who refuses to listen to others' ideas, whether they're good or not (plus I don't understand how "piss puddle" even fits into the rest of that clumsy insult).

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I guess that's the problem, we can't prevent these tragedies. In trying to prevent them politicians make laws that can make things worse.

Unfortunately there aren't any perfect solutions here, there are only trade-offs.

See my post below yours. Certainly we can't entirely prevent tragedies like this, but there are reforms which would quite likely help, and would also help prevent all kinds of lesser violent crimes as well as smaller-scale murders.

 

[Triumph]

See my post below yours. Certainly we can't entirely prevent tragedies like this, but there are reforms which would quite likely help, and would also help prevent all kinds of lesser violent crimes as well as smaller-scale murders.

What are these reforms, and what are the chances of any of them being implemented instead of an all out heavy handed ban on scary items?

(honest question)

 

[Moonbeam]

This whole issue could easily be understood if, instead of guns, we were talking about the Nuclear Radiation Association's blaming video games for the wide spread use of tactical nuclear weapons on school playgrounds their lobbying efforts support and have made easily available at your local Safeway.

There is always a psychopath behind mass murder and always will be. The issue is the availability of his tool of choice. Naturally, if we did have personal nuclear weapons by the millions on the streets, and an industry rolling in money that made them, you can bet your ass we would see the same efforts to deflect attention from them is they were the weapons killing our children. Understand that the conservative mind, the mind that loves guns because it is fearful, does not reason but rationalizes it preconceived opinions. Gun psychosis thrives because of conservative brain defects.

 

[feralkid]

It's beyond stupid to think that banning guns from upstanding citizens is useful in preventing this type of thing from happening. If someone wants a gun it doesn't take much to drive to Mexico and get one

Hello?

Guns and ammunition are illegal in Mexico.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I don't understand how the NRA doesn't see the massive amounts of irony in this.

This is an organization that holds the stance that guns don't kill people, bad people with guns do.

And suddenly their stance is video games kill people? Irony lost?

 

[cwjerome]

I don't understand how the NRA doesn't see the massive amounts of irony in this.

This is an organization that holds the stance that guns don't kill people, bad people with guns do.

And suddenly their stance is video games kill people? Irony lost?

Well, I think they have a point, but it's a little more nuanced than what you present. Ideas have power and culture (which is a mixture of ideas) can have worrisome aspects. There are plenty of things I see today in our culture than I think are problematic. Of course I am a fairly libertarian type person on social issues and I would not call for any government intrusions, but I would speak out against those things I feel may be harmful, as I think we all have a responsibility to try and correct potential damaging influences within our society. It's not about government bans or laws, it's about a heads up and private action to make a better community.

So the position of the NRA is that media/movies/videogames contribute to a culture of violence. They also mentioned parenting, skewed priorities, bad people, irresponsibility with guns, mental health issues and bad laws. So let's not show our stupidity by picking out just one thing and cry about "video games killing people." That's really not what was said.

 

[Geosurface]

Wait... hold up.

The NRA blamed video games?

Shit just got real.

Ban their stupid fucking guns. They fucked with my video games.

 

[RabidMongoose]

All students should be armed with automatic rifles at all times while on public property and lands. Remove science classes from the schools and replace them with weapons training classes.

 

[buckshot24]

See my post below yours. Certainly we can't entirely prevent tragedies like this, but there are reforms which would quite likely help, and would also help prevent all kinds of lesser violent crimes as well as smaller-scale murders.

I think one obvious change we can make is to abolish "gun free zones" since this is where all of these mass killings take place. A guy who is about to kill as many people as he can shouldn't have places where he knows he won't be confronted with deadly force. If a person is permitted to carry a gun in public then allowing them to carry them in school shouldn't be a threat to public safety.

I think arming teachers isn't the answer but deliberately disarming them is worse.