The NRA answer to an assault weapons ban.

[Matt1970]

Show me proof that black people don't exist. You can't. Yet you told us to pretend that they don't exist. Why? Because of the GOP's racial-gender identity politics that they threw at you and you slurped it all up.

It is probably even working with you on this guns issue, too. You care more about being catered to by special interests of the GOP with their racial-gender identity politics than anything else.

Tick Tock.........

BTW, I never said blacks don't exist. Find the quote. But then again, you couldn't find your ass with both hands.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Tick Tock.........

BTW, I never said blacks don't exist. Find the quote. But then again, you couldn't find your ass with both hands.

Tick Tock....

Now the racist is lying! LOL!

Told us to pretend that black people don't exist, LOL! You are the evidence of the success of the racial-gender identity politics from the GOP!

 

[Channeledbymodem]

I have guns ultimately because I was robbed at gunpoint so it changed my worldview on crime happening to other people and the cops being able to keep you safe.

Come back and tell us how powerful and safe you feel after you've killed your next assailant. Or maybe he'll be faster and better with a gun than you are so instead of just using the gun as a threat to take your money and leave you your life he'll shoot you.

Something tells me you've never shot anyone. I hope you never do.

 

[IGBT]

you protect bags of money / banks and jewelry with armed guards. Why not your kids?? The ACLU has assured that we can't do anything with mental health patients. ACLU says they have the right to be mentally ill.. so your kids have to be protected from all the ACLU released and liberated mental patients.

 

[Incorruptible]

you protect bags of money / banks and jewelry with armed guards. Why not your kids?? The ACLU has assured that we can't do anything with mental health patients. ACLU says they have the right to be mentally ill.. so your kids have to be protected from all the ACLU released and liberated mental patients.

Agreed. Its funny how moron liberals want to release some criminals and not jail them while at the same time restricting guns, makes no sense.

 

[HomerJS]

Did LaPierre blame Moral Kombat a game that doesn't have guns for gun violence?

 

[HomerJS]

Agreed. Its funny how moron liberals want to release some criminals and not jail them while at the same time restricting guns, makes no sense.

I can generate a long list of places where kids gather. Do we provide armed guards at all of these places?

 

[Incorruptible]

I can generate a long list of places where kids gather. Do we provide armed guards at all of these places?

What does that have to do with my post?

 

[OrByte]

Interesting read on gun control research being supressed by our government...Did you know this? :

Florida and 7 other states are introducing legislation that penalized and possibly revokes licenses of medical practitioners if they discuss or record information about firearm safety that a medical board later determines was not “relevant” or was “unnecessarily harassing.” meaning doctors aren't able to document gun safety related injury or research.

in 1996, pro-gun members of Congress mounted an all-out effort to eliminate the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Although they failed to defund the center, the House of Representatives removed $2.6 million from the CDC's budget—precisely the amount the agency had spent on firearm injury research the previous year. Funding was restored in joint conference committee, but the money was earmarked for traumatic brain injury. The effect was sharply reduced support for firearm injury research.

To ensure that the CDC and its grantees got the message, the following language was added to the final appropriation: “none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”4

There is more.... check http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1487470 (I don't know if someone already linked this)

Bottom line. THIS is how gun advocates like the NRA impact our daily life. They pay for the rules to be made, so that we don't even have the necessary RESEARCH and data that would help us all understand and possibly develop ways to increase firearm safety in America.

It's disgusting.

 

[Matt1970]

Tick Tock....

Now the racist is lying! LOL!

Told us to pretend that black people don't exist, LOL! You are the evidence of the success of the racial-gender identity politics from the GOP!

Can't find a quote, can show one single bit of evidence of racial-gender identity politics. Is there anything you can do?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Can't find a quote, can show one single bit of evidence of racial-gender identity politics. Is there anything you can do?

You are the evidence! LOL - you told us to pretend that black people don't exist! LOL!

The racial-gender identity politics has completely consumed you.

 

[Matt1970]

You are the evidence! LOL - you told us to pretend that black people don't exist! LOL!

The racial-gender identity politics has completely consumed you.

It's like debating with a house plant.

 

[RabidMongoose]

It's like debating with a house plant.

It's like debating with a racist who told us to pretend that black people don't exist.

LOL! You told us to pretend that black people don't exist and then ran away after being shamed! LOL!

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Can't find a quote, can show one single bit of evidence of racial-gender identity politics. Is there anything you can do?

You are the evidence! LOL - you told us to pretend that black people don't exist! LOL!

The racial-gender identity politics has completely consumed you.

It's like debating with a house plant.

I like how this thread used to be about guns.

And FYI, black people are not like plants.

More like mushrooms

 

[Fenixgoon]

Interesting read on gun control research being supressed by our government...Did you know this? :

Florida and 7 other states are introducing legislation that penalized and possibly revokes licenses of medical practitioners if they discuss or record information about firearm safety that a medical board later determines was not “relevant” or was “unnecessarily harassing.” meaning doctors aren't able to document gun safety related injury or research.

in 1996, pro-gun members of Congress mounted an all-out effort to eliminate the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Although they failed to defund the center, the House of Representatives removed $2.6 million from the CDC's budget—precisely the amount the agency had spent on firearm injury research the previous year. Funding was restored in joint conference committee, but the money was earmarked for traumatic brain injury. The effect was sharply reduced support for firearm injury research.

To ensure that the CDC and its grantees got the message, the following language was added to the final appropriation: “none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”4

There is more.... check http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1487470 (I don't know if someone already linked this)

Bottom line. THIS is how gun advocates like the NRA impact our daily life. They pay for the rules to be made, so that we don't even have the necessary RESEARCH and data that would help us all understand and possibly develop ways to increase firearm safety in America.

It's disgusting.

education is absolutely one of the best ways to improve safety. people need to be taught to respect firearms rather than fear them.

panicking and banning things that look scary is a very poor way of improving safety.

 

[OrByte]

you protect bags of money / banks and jewelry with armed guards. Why not your kids?? The ACLU has assured that we can't do anything with mental health patients. ACLU says they have the right to be mentally ill.. so your kids have to be protected from all the ACLU released and liberated mental patients.

In California it was Ronald Reagan that precipitated the closing of much of the States services for the Mentally ill and Disabled back in the 70s/80s

research the the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act. Basically Reagan closed shuttered state services for the mentally ill in an effort to create a "community based" service system that never really materialized because no city or county could afford the funds for community based services to be created in California. That is when you really started to see the "crazy" walk the streets...and so on unto this very day. I work in downtown Sacramento,

Then when Reagan was president you had this: http://www.miwatch.org/2011/02/_ronald_reagan_and_mental.html

At one point in history, (60s 70s and into the 80s) the ACLU did have to step in and advocate for people that were being sent into mental institutions because at that time, a person could be sent into a state hospital with MINIMAL reason..you might understand that people were getting sent to mental health wards that were not really supposed to be there...

 

[OrByte]

education is absolutely one of the best ways to improve safety. people need to be taught to respect firearms rather than fear them.

panicking and banning things that look scary is a very poor way of improving safety.

If research provides for the data that proves certain weapons or materials should not be in the hands of the general public, then I am all for a ban...on firearms that deserve to be banned based on hard data and analysis.

making people comfortable with firearms isn't the only answer.

 

[Fenixgoon]

If research provides for the data that proves certain weapons or materials should not be in the hands of the general public, then I am all for a ban...on firearms that deserve to be banned.

what constitutes a firearm that deserves banning?

IIRC most firearm homicides involve pistols, and the majority of that subset involves firearms that are illegally owned. which suggests to me that additional regulation, particularly on "assault weapons", would be minimally effective in curbing overall firearm violence as well as atrocities like sandy hook, etc.

(http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm)

According to the latest available data, those
who use guns in violent crimes rarely purchase
them directly from licensed dealers; most guns
used in crime have been stolen or transferred
between individuals after the original purchase.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt

i do not know when that report was published (both of these were gathered from a quick google search)

pistol ownership, at least in maryland (my state), is reasonably regulated i would say. you have to pass a background check, which does include questions about your mental health history, and you also have to wait about 10 days to take ownership of the pistol (the idea being to make it so you can't get super pissed, buy a pistol, and shoot someone in the same day....but if you were to buy a rifle or shotgun, i think you can take possession same day)

 

[dmcowen674]

Cars to be banned because clearly they cause deaths from drunk driving just like guns cause death from fingers pulling the trigger.

 

[OrByte]

what constitutes a firearm that deserves banning?

I should restate that any materials related to firearms, including firearms, that meet a threshold considered unsafe for public use, should not be allowed to be purchased by the general public. an obvious example is a RPG...but maybe a not so obvious example is a magazine that holds over a certain amount of rounds.

But what that really constitutes in reality I don't know, I would like to rely on the research and analysis in this arena, unfortunately legislators and their funders are making it difficult for the medical and academic communities to conduct scientific research to determine better ways in making firearms and related materials safe

which was the point of me posting in this thread

 

[OrByte]

Cars to be banned because clearly they cause deaths from drunk driving just like guns cause death from fingers pulling the trigger.

I think certain types of transportation vehicles are not allowed on certain roads because of the threat to public safety. Bicycles on the freeway is the most obvious one that comes to mind. Fuel tankers over bridges is also another...

but I can see your point...kinda.

 

[ivwshane]

Cars to be banned because clearly they cause deaths from drunk driving just like guns cause death from fingers pulling the trigger.

Does buying a gun require insurance? Is there a gun test you have to take before you can own one (written and physical)? Are there police on the streets actively enforcing gun laws like they do traffic laws?

If you want use the car analogy then you will have to understand that just because there are traffic deaths the number of them have been reduced because there are reasonanle traffic laws and education in place. The same cant be said for guns.

 

[OrByte]

Hopefully this thread is officially back on topic.

all hysterics being pushed aside...

 

[cwjerome]

Hopefully this thread is officially back on topic.

all hysterics being pushed aside...

Uh, with the dual-headed Ignoramus Rex of Can of Worms and Rabid Mongoose dropping giant troll-shits in every thread about white male republicans... probably not.

 

[CanOWorms]

Hopefully this thread is officially back on topic.

all hysterics being pushed aside...

It's always been on topic. It's just that some people don't realize that the NRA and assault weapons ban must involve a discussion of the gun culture. This is primarily driven by the White Republican Male. The White Republican Male has been fed racial-gender identity politics, including support of the gun culture and opposition to the AWB.

You cannot seriously discuss the issue without addressing this.