The Nvidia G-Sync Thread

[BallaTheFeared]

This thread is meant for discussion of Nvidia's G-Sync technology.

NVIDIA's G-Sync: Attempting to Revolutionize Gaming via Smoothness

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/10/gsync.jpg

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...evolutionary-ultra-smooth-stutter-free-gaming

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/g-sync-geforce-gtx-780-ti-shadowplay,24760.html

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2013...s-processors-inside-your-pc-monitor-to-reduce

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nv...-screen-tearing-lag-and-stutter/1100-6415660/




Linus gives his thoughts on G-Sync: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3NjtRPnPsSc#t=5600

G-Sync is amazing; It is a game changer. It is not open to debate.

Cons: Requires Kepler+; Currently a $100 monitor added cost; Limited to "gaming" high MHz TN panels

 

[bystander36]

Can't wait until they are available.

 

[SiliconWars]

I think G-Sync is great stuff by Nvidia, but it's pretty sad how quickly it has fallen by the wayside. This thread is proof enough of it - G-Sync just isn't interesting enough to be worthy of front page discussion.

When I thought about it, the reason is simple enough. The gaming world is waiting on Mantle because it has the potential to be a "free" game-changer. Pre-Mantle, this could have been devastating, but now it's just like another PhysX.

If Mantle doesn't deliver what is hoped for/expected, Nvidia will clean AMD's clock with this.

 

[bystander36]

G-sync is the only real game changer coming soon, but there isn't much to debate about G-sync. It's awesome, it just works. Mantle gets more discussion only because no one knows what it will bring and it doesn't hurt that this site has twice the AMD users as Nvidia users.

Watch the video in the OP's post, they made it very clear. Mantle is unknown, G-sync is the game changer. After seeing it themselves, he made it very clear, once available, he will not consider using anything but G-sync again, but hopes AMD will get to use it too.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I think G-Sync is great stuff by Nvidia, but it's pretty sad how quickly it has fallen by the wayside. This thread is proof enough of it - G-Sync just isn't interesting enough to be worthy of front page discussion.

When I thought about it, the reason is simple enough. The gaming world is waiting on Mantle because it has the potential to be a "free" game-changer. Pre-Mantle, this could have been devastating, but now it's just like another PhysX.

If Mantle doesn't deliver what is hoped for/expected, Nvidia will clean AMD's clock with this.

Mantle has its own thread, lets keep this thread to G-Sync only.

Thanks.

 

[Nintendesert]

I'm pressed for time, so I can't read all the links, but is there one I can read that tells me why this G-Unit..Sync is only for Kepler GPUs?

I have a 680, but the idea of being vendor locked on something like a monitor is not that enticing to me.

 

[StinkyMojo]

Assuming you already have an NVIDIA card, shelling out another $300-500 on a monitor is going to be a pain for those already invested in that area.

 

[Will Robinson]

As G-Sync is merely an electronic device,I imagine it won't be too big a project to enable something similar for those using AMD cards.
Its a little disappointing to know that ,apart from ASUS monitors ,it appears it won't be available to other monitor brands till Q3 2104 tho.:\
Mantle on the other hand is specific to GCN architecture and is "baked into" some of the new Blockbuster titles such as BF4(picked up my copy last night)
Guess NV will have to come up with its own close to the metal API and persuade some developers to incorporate it into their new games too.

Good times indeed.:thumbsup:

 

[bystander36]

Every single dev who weighed in on Mantle agrees with one thing. Nvidia and Intel should not make their own API, and most are reluctant to use Mantle for the same reasons, even if it is enticing to have that control.

 

[SiliconWars]

Mantle has its own thread, lets keep this thread to G-Sync only.

Thanks.

Well good luck with that. I was just pointing out that G-Sync was getting buried because of the interest in Mantle.

 

[5150Joker]

As G-Sync is merely an electronic device,I imagine it won't be too big a project to enable something similar for those using AMD cards.
Its a little disappointing to know that ,apart from ASUS monitors ,it appears it won't be available to other monitor brands till Q3 2104 tho.:\
Mantle on the other hand is specific to GCN architecture and is "baked into" some of the new Blockbuster titles such as BF4(picked up my copy last night)
Guess NV will have to come up with its own close to the metal API and persuade some developers to incorporate it into their new games too.

Good times indeed.:thumbsup:

You've repeated this line several times. Where's your proof it won't be available for other brands besides ASUS until such date? If you can't back it up with a factual link, all you're doing is trolling to derail this thread. And who cares about Mantle or AMD? This has nothing to do with the thread topic.

 

[tviceman]

As G-Sync is merely an electronic device,I imagine it won't be too big a project to enable something similar for those using AMD cards.
Its a little disappointing to know that ,apart from ASUS monitors ,it appears it won't be available to other monitor brands till Q3 2104 tho.:\
Mantle on the other hand is specific to GCN architecture and is "baked into" some of the new Blockbuster titles such as BF4(picked up my copy last night)
Guess NV will have to come up with its own close to the metal API and persuade some developers to incorporate it into their new games too.

Good times indeed.:thumbsup:

This isn't a mantle vs. gsync thread.

 

[tviceman]

I'm highly interested in Gsync, but I'm wary of moving back to a TN panel. I haven't had experience with some of the "higher end" TN panels though, so my frame of reference is based on my previous crappy monitors before I got my current Korean 1440p IPS display.

 

[stahlhart]

This discussion is about G-Sync, not Mantle. Discuss Mantle in the Mantle sticky. Discuss it any more here, and it will be considered thread crapping.
-- stahlhart

 

[StinkyMojo]

You've repeated this line several times. Where's your proof it won't be available for other brands besides ASUS until such date? If you can't back it up with a factual link, all you're doing is trolling to derail this thread. And who cares about Mantle or AMD? This has nothing to do with the thread topic.

http://www.hardwareluxx.com/index.p...-nvidias-g-sync-possibly-asus-exclusive-.html

 

[5150Joker]

http://www.hardwareluxx.com/index.p...-nvidias-g-sync-possibly-asus-exclusive-.html

That's nothing but a rehash of the bs rumor made up by wcctech which is known to make crap up for hits. Show me an official source otherwise this is nothing but an unfounded rumor.

As Wccftech now claims to have learned, the technology will initially be limited to ASUS monitors.

 

[5150Joker]

I'm highly interested in Gsync, but I'm wary of moving back to a TN panel. I haven't had experience with some of the "higher end" TN panels though, so my frame of reference is based on my previous crappy monitors before I got my current Korean 1440p IPS display.

Well we know Nvidia has said it's interested in bringing the technology to IPS and even invited the guy from overlord so I'm certain we will see gsync on it eventually. I'd be willing to pick up a 27" TN for gaming and use my current monitor as my secondary.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I'm interested in either a 24 inch 144Hz screen or a 27 inch 1440 IPS.

People make such a huge deal about the color difference, but I guess it's like anything... If you haven't experienced better how do you know what you're missing?

I haven't experienced the color brillience, and color or viewing angle havn't been an issue for me personally. I sit right on top of my 21.5 inch 1080p screens.

They're ASUS (I have 3) same model but one was bought solo than the other two later when I went surround for awhile. There was a clear color difference at first (newer screens seemed "brighter" or more "vibrant") but anymore I don't see the difference.

Most my digital content is compressed to dang near nothing, often not even at 1080p, so the benefit would be simply for gaming as I don't do anything else besides content consumption and gaming with my PC.

 

[5150Joker]

I'm interested in either a 24 inch 144Hz screen or a 27 inch 1440 IPS.

People make such a huge deal about the color difference, but I guess it's like anything... If you haven't experienced better how do you know what you're missing?

I haven't experienced the color brillience, and color or viewing angle havn't been an issue for me personally. I sit right on top of my 21.5 inch 1080p screens.

They're ASUS (I have 3) same model but one was bought solo than the other two later when I went surround for awhile. There was a clear color difference at first (newer screens seemed "brighter" or more "vibrant") but anymore I don't see the difference.

Most my digital content is compressed to dang near nothing, often not even at 1080p, so the benefit would be simply for gaming as I don't do anything else besides content consumption and gaming with my PC.

Honestly most IPS displays picture quality isn't that great. I bought the LG I have because it had a noticeable improvement in color + pop vs other IPS panels because of its gamut (which leads to slight color inaccuracy for sRGB content but who cares). I think a very good TN panel is probably as good as a middle of the pack IPS. Plus nearly every single IPS panel has the infamous IPS glow in the corners which TN doesn't suffer from. There's no clear winner overall but for gaming, TN is definitely the winner. Then when you combine a high end TN + G-SYNC, well there's no comparison. I plan to pick one up when they have a 1440P 27" version.

 

[OatisCampbell]

No IPS makes it a non starter for me.

 

[Teizo]

I personally am looking very forward to this. If you can have perfectly timed fps at 60 and no lag...then GPU's can start really focusing on efficiency rather than pure power. This will make 'console like', powerful, m-itx systems even more possible. Of course, with 120-144hz monitors in the mix...SLI systems may become more common as well in order to take full advantage of the hz.

All in all, you will still need a powerful gpu to run games maxed out, and you will need well optimized games at that as well, but the whole fps penis measurement contest will not have the same merit anymore which is radically different from what the industry has grown accustomed to.

 

[5150Joker]

I personally am looking very forward to this. If you can have perfectly timed fps at 60 and no lag...then GPU's can start really focusing on efficiency rather than pure power. This will make 'console like', powerful, m-itx systems even more possible. Of course, with 120-144hz monitors in the mix...SLI systems may become more common as well in order to take full advantage of the hz.

All in all, you will still need a powerful gpu to run games maxed out, and you will need well optimized games at that as well, but the whole fps penis measurement contest will not have the same merit anymore which is radically different from what the industry has grown accustomed to.

Yes pretty much and then the next step will be porting the technology to VR headsets like the one Carmack is working on. I think this technology has a bright future and NVIDIA is proving to be a leader and innovator every step of the way. I mean if you consider how big the display business is, it's surprising nobody else came up with such a straightforward solution until now. But I suppose it takes certain engineering talent which NVIDIA seems to have in abundance.

 

[selni]

No IPS makes it a non starter for me.

I don't think there's any fundamental reason why it couldn't be used in an IPS screen? The basic idea here is quite simple (the implementation I'm sure was not) and seems display agnostic.

 

[blastingcap]

I have not been tracking this news much. Can anyone tell me definitively if this is Nv-only or is it open to AMD and Intel too?

 

[bystander36]

I have not been tracking this news much. Can anyone tell me definitively if this is Nv-only or is it open to AMD and Intel too?

It will start as Nvidia only. Where it goes from there is up in the air still.