Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One could dig back through all the revelations of Bush wrong doings that the P&N Left posted and see how quickly the sharks start to circle.
The time frame for Republican blood is a matter of minutes on any day of the week.
Obama and his supporters are finding out that it is easy to throw stones at the glass house when you are on the outside looking in. Once you own the house, the maintenance costs are much more than expected to replace the broken windows
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I love how this thread is nothing but ATPN's ultra right faction predicting and wishing for defenses of this, rationalizations, etc from Obama supporters, none of which have been posted.
Not to interrupt the right wing circle jerk or anything, but here's a tip for you guys: THIS is the sort of thing you should be attacking Obama over. All these other threads shrieking about how he went on a date to New York, don't they seem sort of stupid now?
Indefinite detention strikes at the heart of any free society, it is a position that I do not believe can ever be defended. This isn't the only part of Obama's civil liberties record that has been awful since he has gotten into office. I for one am simply floored that a constitutional law professor would believe the president has the right to hold people indefinitely without trial.
Of those of ATPN's right wing that are up in arms with this, if you voted in any recent elections (and voted for a Republican) it is quite likely that they enthusiastically support this position as well, by the way.
No, this is something you, on the left, should be attacking Obama over. The lack of outrage from the left over this kind of thing is very telling, looks like it was just a bunch of FAUX outrage over the last 8 years.
FWIW, I disagree with the poster that said that you'll see the left agreeing with Obama over this. Most of them will not support him and haven't supported him when he's done these sorts of things. However, you will not see the OUTRAGE that we were bombarded with during Bush's Presidency.
Well Glenn Greenwald (a well known liberal blogger) seems pretty outraged.
The Huffington Post doesn't seem too happy either.
How many more links from leftist blogs and sites would you like? They most certainly ARE attacking Obama over this, hard.
And no, it is not something that only the left should be attacking Obama over. Since the right seems to take as one of its founding principles that of individual liberty and excessive government control, well.... doesn't this seem to be an attack on individual liberty through government control?
I was mainly referring to P&N. I'm sorry but you can't honestly believe that the left is showing an equal amount of outrage over this compared to when Bush was doing it.
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Don't you think requiring people to respond within 3 hours of a thread being posted is a little silly? (not to mention the right wing circle jerk about nobody answering actually started about 2 minutes after it was posted). If I didn't have the flu today I wouldn't have even had a chance to look at this until about 3PM west coast time, so I would be one of those 'conspicuously absent'.
Seems that instead of denouncing this policy, you've been busy sinking your fangs into the right wing circle jerk. Like a bull seeing red, you seem to be consumed with attacking Republicans over this matter.
Are you afraid those "extreme national security folks" corrupted Dear Leader? I have a different take on it.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
You think this policy is because Obama was 'bought and paid for' by someone? Who? What wealthy interest group is out there who's interests are so well served by a preventative detention scheme for a relatively small pool of people? That seems pretty silly to me.
This ?wealthy interest group? is our government establishment itself. Our joint two party incumbency, of which President Obama is a full fledged and devout member, has it in their interests to retain and expand upon their own self-given powers over the people. To admit that you cannot hold people indefinitely would be a mark against their power grab. It would be to diminish the President?s power and authority over the people.
Such a neutering of one self is unheard of in modern times. They do not see the government as being granted its powers by the people, but is instead see it as granting powers (and money) to the people. The power paradigm in this country is ass backwards starting with the top, with our political parties.
This is not a government for the people and by the people. Not anymore. That is how this policy came to exist. That is how the establishment came to defend its own policy. President Obama is not the solution to these problems, he is the problem. He is too closely aligned with his party to stray from their power grab. You need to remove them from office.
Are you willing to do that? They?re willing to bet you won?t, and thus far they have been quite right about it. They have nothing to lose, you?ll never vote Republican and perhaps you?ll never vote third party. You are trapped with whatever they decide to do. The only question being, what are you willing to do about it? Anything?
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Indefinite detention strikes at the heart of any free society, it is a position that I do not believe can ever be defended. This isn't the only part of Obama's civil liberties record that has been awful since he has gotten into office. I for one am simply floored that a constitutional law professor would believe the president has the right to hold people indefinitely without trial.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One could dig back through all the revelations of Bush wrong doings that the P&N Left posted and see how quickly the sharks start to circle.
The time frame for Republican blood is a matter of minutes on any day of the week.
Obama and his supporters are finding out that it is easy to throw stones at the glass house when you are on the outside looking in. Once you own the house, the maintenance costs are much more than expected to replace the broken windows
This argument is dumb.
I'm sorry that leftists don't post quickly enough to suit your needs. If you could break down the maximum allowable time between when a thread is posted and a response written before hypocrisy is charged, that would be very nice. That will at least give people a time frame for how often they need to check P&N in order to avoid being hypocrites.
Originally posted by: eleison
The "left" drank the koolaid and gave the messiah a massive oral. Only now are they noticing 1) they are on their knee's 2) they are holding with their right hand some strange black man's scrotum 3) there's white stuff all over their faces...
Like a farm girl from Midwest looking to become an actress in the big city, only time will tell if they will finally realize how naive and stupid they really are... realities a biatch.. don't do coke, drink the koolaid or whatever the strange African American man is offering to you. You may think you know this stranger.. but you don't...
Oh, where's Jon stewart? Wheres the rest of those people who where heckling Bush about gitmo? Silly "leftist".... stupid lefties..
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
:thumbsdown:
This isn't the "change" I voted for. It sickens me to see Obama repeating some of Bush's biggest mistakes. :|
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: eskimospy
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Well Glenn Greenwald (a well known liberal blogger) seems pretty outraged.
The Huffington Post doesn't seem too happy either.
How many more links from leftist blogs and sites would you like? They most certainly ARE attacking Obama over this, hard.
And no, it is not something that only the left should be attacking Obama over. Since the right seems to take as one of its founding principles that of individual liberty and excessive government control, well.... doesn't this seem to be an attack on individual liberty through government control?
Rather the the public figures, a better measure is of the P&N posters that continually lambasted Bush for these same policies.
It is those posters that are conspicuously absent when Obama continues the same policies that people through fits over.
Looking in the mirror becomes embarrassing.
Don't you think requiring people to respond within 3 hours of a thread being posted is a little silly? (not to mention the right wing circle jerk about nobody answering actually started about 2 minutes after it was posted). If I didn't have the flu today I wouldn't have even had a chance to look at this until about 3PM west coast time, so I would be one of those 'conspicuously absent'.
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: eskimospy
This argument is dumb.
I'm sorry that leftists don't post quickly enough to suit your needs. If you could break down the maximum allowable time between when a thread is posted and a response written before hypocrisy is charged, that would be very nice. That will at least give people a time frame for how often they need to check P&N in order to avoid being hypocrites.
Bull. You, Craig, Phokus, heyheybooboo, etc. are almost always, 99.9% of the time quick to jump on anything to blame, condemn and lambast Republicans and conservatives. Except this time, you all know your guy is just repeating what Bush did (which drives you nuts), and you're all notably absent.
I can only imagine the faux outrage and tears you all shed when Bush was doing this, but now you all are making up smoke screens and sob stories to try and cover up your hypocrisy since the shoe is now on the other foot.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: eleison
The "left" drank the koolaid and gave the messiah a massive oral. Only now are they noticing 1) they are on their knee's 2) they are holding with their right hand some strange black man's scrotum 3) there's white stuff all over their faces...
Like a farm girl from Midwest looking to become an actress in the big city, only time will tell if they will finally realize how naive and stupid they really are... realities a biatch.. don't do coke, drink the koolaid or whatever the strange African American man is offering to you. You may think you know this stranger.. but you don't...
Oh, where's Jon stewart? Wheres the rest of those people who where heckling Bush about gitmo? Silly "leftist".... stupid lefties..
First of all you're stupid, vulgar, and childish.
Second of all, yet again you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Jon Stewart has attacked Obama several times for replicating offensive Bush policies, and I already linked to several leftist sites that are attacking Obama for doing this. I'm not sure if you've realized this yet, but not everyone is as poorly informed and as ideologically blinded as you.
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I call bullocks on this sob story as well. I recall you regularly responding to my posts well before 3 PM PST (6 PM EST).
Edit: Not saying that you don't have the flu, but your claim that you don't post until 3 PM PST is false.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: eskimospy
This argument is dumb.
I'm sorry that leftists don't post quickly enough to suit your needs. If you could break down the maximum allowable time between when a thread is posted and a response written before hypocrisy is charged, that would be very nice. That will at least give people a time frame for how often they need to check P&N in order to avoid being hypocrites.
Bull. You, Craig, Phokus, heyheybooboo, etc. are almost always, 99.9% of the time quick to jump on anything to blame, condemn and lambast Republicans and conservatives. Except this time, you all know your guy is just repeating what Bush did (which drives you nuts), and you're all notably absent.
I can only imagine the faux outrage and tears you all shed when Bush was doing this, but now you all are making up smoke screens and sob stories to try and cover up your hypocrisy since the shoe is now on the other foot.
How can we all be absent when you are replying to MY POST?
Something tells me you didn't bother to read this thread, much less the post written directly above yours where I quote myself attacking Obama for this policy. Maybe you should read first, then comment. What do you think?
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One could dig back through all the revelations of Bush wrong doings that the P&N Left posted and see how quickly the sharks start to circle.
The time frame for Republican blood is a matter of minutes on any day of the week.
Obama and his supporters are finding out that it is easy to throw stones at the glass house when you are on the outside looking in. Once you own the house, the maintenance costs are much more than expected to replace the broken windows
This argument is dumb.
I'm sorry that leftists don't post quickly enough to suit your needs. If you could break down the maximum allowable time between when a thread is posted and a response written before hypocrisy is charged, that would be very nice. That will at least give people a time frame for how often they need to check P&N in order to avoid being hypocrites.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: spidey07
It's becoming very clear that once he got in the white house with access to all the information Bush had Obama had a "holy shit, Bush was right" moment. That was his moment.
lol yeap.
should be intersting on what the hard core obama supporters will say about this.
* for the record i think he is wrong on this
It seems like at least once a week some news comes out supporting this notion.
No, it doesn't. By all means supply us with information you think does however.
You're here often enough, you've seen the threads/news about Obama maintaining Bush policy regarding security/defense, etc.
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: eskimospy
This argument is dumb.
I'm sorry that leftists don't post quickly enough to suit your needs. If you could break down the maximum allowable time between when a thread is posted and a response written before hypocrisy is charged, that would be very nice. That will at least give people a time frame for how often they need to check P&N in order to avoid being hypocrites.
A quick look back at the FBI/Cheney thread showed less than 15 minutes before the sharks circled.
If was a full blooded buffet going on within 3 hours.
Many of the Left are/have been online
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I call bullocks on this sob story as well. I recall you regularly responding to my posts well before 3 PM PST (6 PM EST).
Edit: Not saying that you don't have the flu, but your claim that you don't post until 3 PM PST is false.
/snip you moron, maybe people change jobs sometimes. I challenge you to find a single time I have posted before 3PM WST since May 13th, 2009 that hasn't been on a weekend or holiday.
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
A quick look back at the FBI/Cheney thread showed less than 15 minutes before the sharks circled.
If was a full blooded buffet going on within 3 hours.
Many of the Left are/have been online
This one?Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
A quick look back at the FBI/Cheney thread showed less than 15 minutes before the sharks circled.
If was a full blooded buffet going on within 3 hours.
Many of the Left are/have been online
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Bull. You, Craig, Phokus, heyheybooboo, etc. are almost always, 99.9% of the time quick to jump on anything to blame, condemn and lambast Republicans and conservatives. Except this time, you all know your guy is just repeating what Bush did (which drives you nuts), and you're all notably absent.
I can only imagine the faux outrage and tears you all shed when Bush was doing this, but now you all are making up smoke screens and sob stories to try and cover up your hypocrisy since the shoe is now on the other foot.
How can we all be absent when you are replying to MY POST?
Something tells me you didn't bother to read this thread, much less the post written directly above yours where I quote myself attacking Obama for this policy. Maybe you should read first, then comment. What do you think?
Just stop. The more rubbish you post, the more of a partisan hack you make yourself out to be. Nobody has denied that you don't agree with this policy. Almost everyone has seen your and other lefties' blatant hypocrisy when you screamed and cried a river when Bush did this, yet now you're all either absent or it's a muted, "I don't like this."
Please don't make us dig up old posts from typical lefty posters like you from back when Bush was instituting this same policy. It will only embarrass you further.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Bull. You, Craig, Phokus, heyheybooboo, etc. are almost always, 99.9% of the time quick to jump on anything to blame, condemn and lambast Republicans and conservatives. Except this time, you all know your guy is just repeating what Bush did (which drives you nuts), and you're all notably absent.
I can only imagine the faux outrage and tears you all shed when Bush was doing this, but now you all are making up smoke screens and sob stories to try and cover up your hypocrisy since the shoe is now on the other foot.
How can we all be absent when you are replying to MY POST?
Something tells me you didn't bother to read this thread, much less the post written directly above yours where I quote myself attacking Obama for this policy. Maybe you should read first, then comment. What do you think?
Just stop. The more rubbish you post, the more of a partisan hack you make yourself out to be. Nobody has denied that you don't agree with this policy. Almost everyone has seen your and other lefties' blatant hypocrisy when you screamed and cried a river when Bush did this, yet now you're all either absent or it's a muted, "I don't like this."
Please don't make us dig up old posts from typical lefty posters like you from back when Bush was instituting this same policy. It will only embarrass you further.
Hahaha, go right ahead you moron. Dig away. I'll be waiting.
If you don't think accusing Obama of striking at the heart of a free society with an indefensible policy is harsh enough, please provide me with some attacks on him that you would consider acceptable. I basically accused him of undermining the Constitution, how much worse does it get?
You wrote that I am, among others, creating smoke screens and sob stories to cover up our hypocrisy. Your post was simply factually false. Admit it.
You're like the Monty Python black knight of these boards. No matter how badly you get clobbered, you stubbornly stand there declaring victory.
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I call bullocks on this sob story as well. I recall you regularly responding to my posts well before 3 PM PST (6 PM EST).
Edit: Not saying that you don't have the flu, but your claim that you don't post until 3 PM PST is false.
/snip you moron, maybe people change jobs sometimes. I challenge you to find a single time I have posted before 3PM WST since May 13th, 2009 that hasn't been on a weekend or holiday.
I don't really care to spend the time searching. If this is the case, then I concede that point, but your excuse still only covers you. Your lefty comrades have been conspicuously absent from this thread, when they were all over Bush and friends in no time about the very same topic.
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
A quick look back at the FBI/Cheney thread showed less than 15 minutes before the sharks circled.
If was a full blooded buffet going on within 3 hours.
Many of the Left are/have been online
What say you now eskimospy, hmm?
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
When are the majority going to wake up and realize that if a politician has the financing and media coverage to actually have a shot at The Presidency, they are bought and paid for by most of the same people who bought and paid for the last one? WAKE UP PEOPLE, this is never going to change until we either take a stand and get rid of the stagnant pool of wealthy and influential people in office or enough people get fed up and remove them forcibly. Ds and Rs aren't ever going to change how things are run in Washington, they owe too many favors. If you want "change you can believe in," get rid of the current elected officials.
You think this policy is because Obama was 'bought and paid for' by someone? Who? What wealthy interest group is out there who's interests are so well served by a preventative detention scheme for a relatively small pool of people? That seems pretty silly to me.
I imagine that Obama has cooked up this scheme due to pressure from extreme national security folks along with his desire not to be screwed over politically if one of the inmates he lets out commits some big terrorist action. It's putting politics over what he (jesus, hopefully) knows is the right thing to do, not part of some nefarious cabal.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I call bullocks on this sob story as well. I recall you regularly responding to my posts well before 3 PM PST (6 PM EST).
Edit: Not saying that you don't have the flu, but your claim that you don't post until 3 PM PST is false.
/snip you moron, maybe people change jobs sometimes. I challenge you to find a single time I have posted before 3PM WST since May 13th, 2009 that hasn't been on a weekend or holiday.
I don't really care to spend the time searching. If this is the case, then I concede that point, but your excuse still only covers you. Your lefty comrades have been conspicuously absent from this thread, when they were all over Bush and friends in no time about the very same topic.
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
A quick look back at the FBI/Cheney thread showed less than 15 minutes before the sharks circled.
If was a full blooded buffet going on within 3 hours.
Many of the Left are/have been online
What say you now eskimospy, hmm?
The same thing I said to him in my reply. This is silliness.
Oh, and in case you do feel like checking you should know I run a 44/80 work schedule now so every other Friday I do not work as well.