The Obama Heyday Is Over

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Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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The meat of my argument still stands though. Can you with a straight face tell me the southern strategy is not being used right now?

Honestly, I don't know. I haven't heard reports like I did in 2004 of people trying to associate one side with gays or muslims. I think you're right that the economy has people mad at Obama whether or not its his fault, but I'm not sure him being black or people burning Qurans has anything to do with it.
 

manimal

Lifer
Mar 30, 2007
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Honestly, I don't know. I haven't heard reports like I did in 2004 of people trying to associate one side with gays or muslims. I think you're right that the economy has people mad at Obama whether or not its his fault, but I'm not sure him being black or people burning Qurans has anything to do with it.

Fair enough, I just look at the crap Newt is pushing and the war on facts and education being pushed by palin and bachman and the rest....

I am starting to get deeply troubled by the anti-muslim fervor becoming mainstream.

http://www.newt.org/newt-direct/america-risk-war-no-name
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Obama is the best thing that ever flew up Republican's asses. He's like leavening for morons.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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In down economies and bad times scapegoats are too easy for the ignorant... Right now its obama, muslims, immigrants, and elitists....

Kind of like the way Republicans are scapegoats for the Democrat president and Democrat run congress who can't seem to do anything right? Yeah, I guess I see your point.
 

manimal

Lifer
Mar 30, 2007
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Kind of like the way Republicans are scapegoats for the Democrat president and Democrat run congress who can't seem to do anything right? Yeah, I guess I see your point.

Do you make any real points here? Other than saying you were going to vote for Bachman I mean..
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Fair enough, I just look at the crap Newt is pushing and the war on facts and education being pushed by palin and bachman and the rest....

I am starting to get deeply troubled by the anti-muslim fervor becoming mainstream.

http://www.newt.org/newt-direct/america-risk-war-no-name

Truth or any deep realization of what is out there IS profoundly troubling when you first come to it because we live under the delusion there is something external we are supposed to do about it.

The violence of the left and right, using force to better people, are opposite sides of the same coin, the refusal to feel what one is feeling. Your terror of the hideous bigotry of the authoritarian right, improperly understood leads to the bigotry justifying their extermination, and their fanatical need to keep you from doing to them what they want to do to you.

The fear of the other's hate, and the hate for them it generates are one and the same thing, the fear that they will do to you what has already happened. The terror, in your case, of the bigoted authoritarianism of the right is a feel of being controlled, made to conform to hell.

That already happened long ago. We were all psychically murdered as children, made to conform, told we were worthless if we didn't, threatened with denial of love.

Everything we fear has already happened. Nothing that we do externally can change a thing. We live in a world where everyBody is asleep to what he or she feels, walking zombies, repressed killing machines.

You can't change them. They are dead emotionally and will not ever again feel their pain. You can only awaken yourself. To awaken yourself is to feel your pain, the pain that you can't change them, that they are totally lost and deeply asleep.

Sit down like the Buddha under the bo tree and feel it all. Let go of all hope and dreams. Awaken the child that was murdered and feel his love. All the suffering in the world is his tears to be born again. This world is dead to love but you can put it all back again. The love you seek out there is within.

God didn't die. You did.
 

Medellon

Senior member
Feb 13, 2000
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But bush? That's all I saw, but, but, bush.

Here's the thing. It was just fine to bash bush call him an idiot, etc. So that means that same vitriol is just fine against the current administration doing his best to destroy this nation and the American Way.

Fuck Barrack Hussein Obama. Having hatred for that fucker is the most sincere form of patriotism we have, and the majority of the country feels this way with their hatred, disgust and downright anger at the current president.

He is done. No dem wants him on their side, no dem is trumpeting his agenda, he is a toxic liability and they know it. The people of this country flat out reject what he has done and is trying to do, they REJECT the Obama agenda.

Amen brother, amen.
 

Medellon

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Feb 13, 2000
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These liberals had their heads too far up their asses to really see who Obama really was. His poison tongue had no effect on me, just weak-minded liberals who got "thrills running up their legs." I hold to my original assertion that Obama is a dumb ass who is not smart and is just a puppet for all those radicals who molded and shaped him to try and change this country into their warped vision. Sorry liberals but your Manchurian Candidate has failed.
 

nick1985

Lifer
Dec 29, 2002
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These liberals had their heads too far up their asses to really see who Obama really was. His poison tongue had no effect on me, just weak-minded liberals who got "thrills running up their legs." I hold to my original assertion that Obama is a dumb ass who is not smart and is just a puppet for all those radicals who molded and shaped him to try and change this country into their warped vision. Sorry liberals but your Manchurian Candidate has failed.

Whats funny is they think that most Americans support their agenda.
 

Tom

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Do you people know the power of the president and the majority of house and senate if they are all on the same narrow minded liberal page?

1. stimulus- virtually every economist in the world supports the principle behind the stimulus package and I've not heard one who doesn't say the recession would have been worse without it. and looking at it politically, every stripe of politician proposed some sort of stimulus.

2. healthcare - Obamacare is pretty similar to the Republican proposals for healthcare reform over the years, it isn't "liberal" except as a campaign tag.

3. letting Bush tax cuts for upper income expire - getting back to the tax rates of the 1990s when government deficits were under control seems rational to me. There's no evidence those rates were bad for investment, the opposite is true.

4. so called "conservatives" have for years used tactics of hysteria and slash and burn to gain power. Gays in the military, silent majority,Whitewater, gay marriage, right to life, socialism; the current campaign is more of the same. Reality is things are pretty good considering where we were headed.
 

child of wonder

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Aug 31, 2006
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These liberals had their heads too far up their asses to really see who Obama really was. His poison tongue had no effect on me, just weak-minded liberals who got "thrills running up their legs." I hold to my original assertion that Obama is a dumb ass who is not smart and is just a puppet for all those radicals who molded and shaped him to try and change this country into their warped vision. Sorry liberals but your Manchurian Candidate has failed.

lol
 

zsdersw

Lifer
Oct 29, 2003
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Whats funny is they think that most Americans support their agenda.

Those who speak autoritatively about those with whom they disagree are almost always wrong; their opinions colored by bias and differences in opinion.
 

Hacp

Lifer
Jun 8, 2005
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1. stimulus- virtually every economist in the world supports the principle behind the stimulus package and I've not heard one who doesn't say the recession would have been worse without it. and looking at it politically, every stripe of politician proposed some sort of stimulus.

Paying overpriced union workers to build roads that could be built for a fraction of the cost if using non-union labor isn't stimulus. Its a handout.
2. healthcare - Obamacare is pretty similar to the Republican proposals for healthcare reform over the years, it isn't "liberal" except as a campaign tag.
The plan is liberal in that it gives health insurance to people for free when they can't afford it. Like anything else in life, if you can't afford something, you shouldn't have it! If you can't afford to eat at McDonalds, does McDonalds just go up to you and give you free burgers? NO!
3. letting Bush tax cuts for upper income expire - getting back to the tax rates of the 1990s when government deficits were under control seems rational to me. There's no evidence those rates were bad for investment, the opposite is true.

How about we cut federal spending? Why has no one even suggested cutting Federal worker pay? Lets do that instead of raising taxes.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Truth or any deep realization of what is out there IS profoundly troubling when you first come to it because we live under the delusion there is something external we are supposed to do about it.

The violence of the left and right, using force to better people, are opposite sides of the same coin, the refusal to feel what one is feeling. Your terror of the hideous bigotry of the authoritarian right, improperly understood leads to the bigotry justifying their extermination, and their fanatical need to keep you from doing to them what they want to do to you.

The fear of the other's hate, and the hate for them it generates are one and the same thing, the fear that they will do to you what has already happened. The terror, in your case, of the bigoted authoritarianism of the right is a feel of being controlled, made to conform to hell.

That already happened long ago. We were all psychically murdered as children, made to conform, told we were worthless if we didn't, threatened with denial of love.

Everything we fear has already happened. Nothing that we do externally can change a thing. We live in a world where everyBody is asleep to what he or she feels, walking zombies, repressed killing machines.

You can't change them. They are dead emotionally and will not ever again feel their pain. You can only awaken yourself. To awaken yourself is to feel your pain, the pain that you can't change them, that they are totally lost and deeply asleep.

Sit down like the Buddha under the bo tree and feel it all. Let go of all hope and dreams. Awaken the child that was murdered and feel his love. All the suffering in the world is his tears to be born again. This world is dead to love but you can put it all back again. The love you seek out there is within.

God didn't die. You did.

You always make me smile moonie. You should write a book, "The art of babble" or "How to not say anything in ten thousand words or more".
 

Tom

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Paying overpriced union workers to build roads that could be built for a fraction of the cost if using non-union labor isn't stimulus. Its a handout.

The plan is liberal in that it gives health insurance to people for free when they can't afford it. Like anything else in life, if you can't afford something, you shouldn't have it! If you can't afford to eat at McDonalds, does McDonalds just go up to you and give you free burgers? NO!


How about we cut federal spending? Why has no one even suggested cutting Federal worker pay? Lets do that instead of raising taxes.

1. I don't think all people who build roads are in unions, but even if they are, they spend their wages which is how stimulus works. And Obama's job is to get things done, not propose wildly unrealistic solutions.

2. people get free healthcare under the old system, it just is delivered in an irrational haphazard way. btw, at what age do you think children should be allowed to starve if they don't get to work ?

3. cutting spending. yes we will have to. but that isn't easy and it isn't likely we will cut government employee's wages, Obama already slowed their growth I believe. Remember, the President and Congress are functioning in the real world, not just throwing comments out on a forum or in a politcal speech.

Real world is difficult. You wanna cut soldier's pay ? what about FBI agents ? So you can keep low taxes for the 3% of top income earners ?
 
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Hacp

Lifer
Jun 8, 2005
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1. I don't think all people who build roads are in unions, but even if they are, they spend their wages which is how stimulus works. And Obama's job is to get things done, not propose wildly unrealistic solutions.

If spending is good, then they should give me all the money. I promise I'll spend it all.
2. people get free healthcare under the old system, it just is delivered in an irrational haphazard way. btw, at what age do you think children should be allowed to starve if they don't get to work ?

People got free healthcare in the old system and that needs to change. No free health insurance for ANYONE. Everyone who can afford it can pay. If you can't afford it, you will do without it or ask for help from friends.
3. cutting spending. yes we will have to. but that isn't easy and it isn't likely we will cut government employee's wages, Obama already slowed their growth I believe. Remember, the President and Congress are functioning in the real world, not just throwing comments out on a forum or in a politcal speech.

We won't cut government employee wages because the Unions have Obama right where they want them. We should fire all the union workers and then open up the system to non union workers.
Real world is difficult. You wanna cut soldier's pay ? what about FBI agents ? So you can keep low taxes for the 3% of top income earners ?

If people are willing to do the same job for less, without a pension for example, then why not?
 

Gigantopithecus

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Dec 14, 2004
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Big surprise.... this is how fickle the retarded American public is. Their favor is simply a rapidly moving pendulum.

"Times are bad! Who's in office? A Republican? VOTE DEMOCRAT!"
"Times are bad! Who's in office? A Democrat? VOTE REPUBLICAN!"

It's a reflection of people's irrational, knee jerk, simple brains.

Best post in thread.

wakeuppeople
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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Best post in thread.

wakeuppeople

I agree. If McCain was in office and things were the same (which they definitely would be), then everyone would be bashing him and voting Dem in the next election. It has nothing to do with policy, since no one pays attention to his policies and the reasons for them, they just think their life sucks and they need someone to blame other than themselves.

If you're out of work or having trouble making ends meet, then get up and do something about it yourself. No politician (D or R or L or whatever) is going to fix your problems for you. And whining about immigrants or Muslims isn't going to help you either.
 
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