The offended liberal scroll - Holiday Edition

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whm1974

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I've been an atheist since 15 and I only heard about this "War on Christmas" maybe a few years ago. I was also completely floored when Right Wingers went around claiming that Xmas was an attempt to remove Christ from the Holiday, not withstanding that Christians invented the word as shorthand.
 

realibrad

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Not sure which question I find more puzzling. Why the OP keeps obsessing about this stuff, or why I click on his threads.

I think it's just less stressful than having arguments with people I disagree with but who aren't on another planet. In those cases I often feel real anxiety as to whether I might not be able to defend my views to my own satisfaction. With the OP I don't have that worry, because he's so far out there that no rational engagement seems possible.

Also his links are educational - e.g. I didn't know that Jingle Bells' origins lie in US racism and minstrel-culture. Seems as if the OP is offended by facts, which causes him to post links that contain them. Hence being educational by accident.

It's also educational in revealing how blinkered conservatives apparently are, constantly hearing what they want to hear rather than what was actually said.

The academic didn't say the song "is racist" just that it originated from a racist context. That's a bit of historical information she dug up.

Of course, being an academic she is obliged to then over-egg the theory-pudding with what seem rather vague assertions about what that means , in order to get a paper out of it - inevitably involving using the word 'problematic' (I think the use of that word is compulsory in her field). But that's just what academics have to do across all kinds of topics. There's still a factual point in there.

Why get irate at someone telling you some historical facts? If stating the truth about the origin of the ditty 'ruins it for you, then maybe there's something you are trying to avoid thinking about?

You may want to read the paper that the professor did.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour.../D42C78950A58BDB88290954F73B195B2/core-reader

In this, you will find how it explains that sleigh rides are racist. The paper does more than give a history, it makes claims. One such claim is that the sleigh imagery has its roots in racism, and that sleigh riding was part of white culture.
 

whm1974

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You may want to read the paper that the professor did.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour.../D42C78950A58BDB88290954F73B195B2/core-reader

In this, you will find how it explains that sleigh rides are racist. The paper does more than give a history, it makes claims. One such claim is that the sleigh imagery has its roots in racism, and that sleigh riding was part of white culture.
How well is that claim backed by actual evidence? Wouldn't it be more like Upper Class culture?
 

realibrad

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How well is that claim backed by actual evidence? Wouldn't it be more like Upper Class culture?

Well, that seemed to be a big part of what her research was about. The idea was that Blacks being relegated to poverty could not engage in the activities in the romanticized imagery unless they were made into a joke such as minstrel shows and or mocking imagery.

On the salvaged box sleigh is written, “One pair of Paris Bronzes with care per steamer[,] Africa”—a coded text that suggests a repurposed box of enslaved blacks from Africa. In sleigh riding and outdoor dress, the artist depicts the black couple as emulating the white couple passing them, with a parallel seating arrangement, furs, and a crop in each man's hand. The box sleigh and the single, emaciated horse that pulls it clearly index the idea of Northern free blacks with delusions of grandeur—a stereotype that, as we have seen, had earlier walked the blackface stage as a “dandy.”

So, the idea is that Whites did an activity that was part of white culture. Any Blacks engaging would be delusions of grandeur. Thus, any songs that used the imagery were reinforcing white culture.
 

kage69

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These offended liberals are pretty thin on the ground, at least regarding the holidays. Yet it seems like no matter where I go this time of year, the upright social authoritarian/holy roller types are blue in the face over people choosing to say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Xmas."


Tis the season for more projection from our poor victimized snowflakes. Good of numbnuts OP to do another thread like this though - watching dishonest and hateful people grasp at straws has a warming effect for me.
 
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whm1974

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These offended liberals are pretty thin on the ground, at least regarding the holidays. Yet it seems like no matter where I go this time of year, the upright social authoritarian/holy roller types are blue in the face over people choosing to say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Xmas."


Tis the season for more projection from our poor victimized snowflakes. Good of numbnuts OP to do another thread like this though - watching dishonest and hateful people grasp at straws has a warming effect for me.
One of the people I ride with on med cab on the way to mental health classes was upset at "Merry Xmas" because he thought it was taking Christ out of Christmas.
 
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woolfe9998

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You want to know what's fundamentally different between people on the left and people on the right when it comes to crazy opinions and ideas? When someone on the left says something stupid like, Charlie Brown is a racist cartoon, most people on the left disagree. For proof, go look at P&N's thread on that topic or on any of the others. The vast majority of lefties commenting disagree.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/charlie-brown-you-dirty-racist-you.2557383/

Now try going to a rightwing discussion board, and post anything silly or stupid that fits with their preconceptions. Anything at all, no matter how absurd. And present zero evidence to back it up. I guarantee you that if it contains any allegations against a liberal or a democrat, it will be instantly believed by 100% of the right wingers, no evidence required.

The key difference here is the left has a fringe, while the entire right is a fringe.
 

pmv

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One of the people I ride with on med cab on the way to mental health classes was upset at "Merry Xmas" because he thought it was taking Christ out of Christmas.


I've heard that many times. I vaguely think I once got told off by a teacher at primary school for exactly that.
 

whm1974

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I've heard that many times. I vaguely think I once got told off by a teacher at primary school for exactly that.
Some Christian sects actually banned Christmas after they took power due to it having Pagan origins and other reasons.
The Puritans did this.
 

pmv

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You may want to read the paper that the professor did.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour.../D42C78950A58BDB88290954F73B195B2/core-reader

In this, you will find how it explains that sleigh rides are racist. The paper does more than give a history, it makes claims. One such claim is that the sleigh imagery has its roots in racism, and that sleigh riding was part of white culture.

Well, props for linking to the actual paper (more than the OP did). Though just as with the other thread on here with a long academic paper in it, I find I'm hampered by lacking the time and energy to wade through the damn thing. Which is related to the point, that this is what academics do, it's how they keep their publication records up and keep their jobs but I really struggle to see it as all that important in most cases, and certainly not enough to justify the OP's absurd persecution complex. A tremendous amount of what appears in journals, even in 'hard science' subjects, is so much inconsequential noise.

(Academic friend defined their job as 'digging things up from one part of the library in order to bury them again in another part')

There does seem to be a lot of historical background in that paper - it appears it's making claims that it attempts to support via argument and evidence. Whether the evidence is convincing I can't say because I just don't care enough about to do the work needed to try and decide. Maybe I'll get back to it one day. I doubt it's any worse than the guff that evolutionary psychologists or those who study IQ, or, indeed, economics, come out with, and is likely to have far less real-world influence.
 

realibrad

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Well, props for linking to the actual paper (more than the OP did). Though just as with the other thread on here with a long academic paper in it, I find I'm hampered by lacking the time and energy to wade through the damn thing. Which is related to the point, that this is what academics do, it's how they keep their publication records up and keep their jobs but I really struggle to see it as all that important in most cases, and certainly not enough to justify the OP's absurd persecution complex. A tremendous amount of what appears in journals, even in 'hard science' subjects, is so much inconsequential noise.

(Academic friend defined their job as 'digging things up from one part of the library in order to bury them again in another part')

There does seem to be a lot of historical background in that paper - it appears it's making claims that it attempts to support via argument and evidence. Whether the evidence is convincing I can't say because I just don't care enough about to do the work needed to try and decide. Maybe I'll get back to it one day. I doubt it's any worse than the guff that evolutionary psychologists or those who study IQ, or, indeed, economics, come out with, and is likely to have far less real-world influence.

Perfectly reasonable.
 

kage69

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I've heard that many times. I vaguely think I once got told off by a teacher at primary school for exactly that.

It's common enough I don't really take much notice anymore, any number I put to it would be wrong. I also enjoy watching the same crowd just bristle at the mention of a date such as 12,000 BCE, oh how dare they not use our religion in their science!

I recall taking issue with the religulous stalking other people in book stores, seeking those carrying or reading anything Santa related. I don't know if that's still a thing in Pensacola, but I got to witness it a few times when I lived there back in the day. I always ran into the missionary type at Books-A-Million for some reason. Proximity to Brownsville perhaps?

Big fans of Halloween down there too obviously.
 
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zinfamous

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Where's the little bitch boy? wonder how his pending Trump shutdown is working out for him.
 

Moonbeam

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Merry Atheismas, everybody! Some day the brighter among you will realize that Christmas is really just an anti-Hawaiian jealousy. It’s a cultural rip off the bright and sunny Hawaiian party day. Mele Kalikimaka
 
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jman19

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I've been an atheist since 15 and I only heard about this "War on Christmas" maybe a few years ago. I was also completely floored when Right Wingers went around claiming that Xmas was an attempt to remove Christ from the Holiday, not withstanding that Christians invented the word as shorthand.

Wait - you went all those years as an atheist without getting your SorosBucks to wage war against Christmas? You need to make up for lost time.
 

Commodus

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can we get the thread title changed to offended slow scroll? seems more appropriate.

Especially since he grew conveniently silent once virtually every news story started shooting down his claims. He loves to whine that liberals are easily offended, but he's such a fragile person that he doesn't dare show up to admit to his mistakes. He's offended by the truth.
 

zzyzxroad

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Foxnews, a British tabloid site, YouTube and some other sites I've never heard of. What an awesome list. Thanks for the chuckles OP.
 

BoomerD

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Well...gee...Happy Holidays to youse conservatives...I sincerely hope that soothes your sensitive snowflake feels...

Wait...might that be taken as yet ANOTHER attack on your stolen holiday known as X-mas?
 
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