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Wreckem

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In any event. America loses no matter what as nothing will get done no matter who is President.
 

GodisanAtheist

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This has been a wild night folks. I'm going to time travel to tomorrow by going to sleep.

One way or another, I'll be fine in good ole California.

We're not perfect, but we didn't go for Trump, and that counts for something...
 

gothuevos

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Even if Biden wins, Mitch with the Senate and Trump barely losing, he will play even more hardball than ever before.

Biden won't be able to do shit unless the Dems win the next midterms which will be very debatable. This country is fundamentally broken beyond repair now.

No, in that scenario we'd just be in a holding pattern until 2024 when hopefully both parties can do some introspection and hopefully put forth some fundamentally different (and younger) candidates.
 

Bitek

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Even if Biden wins, Mitch with the Senate and Trump barely losing, he will play even more hardball than ever before.

Biden won't be able to do shit unless the Dems win the next midterms which will be very debatable. This country is fundamentally broken beyond repair now.

The economy is hemorrhaging.

MCM will rerun 2009 and do nothing to help econ in order to have a tea party midterm revolt.
 

MrSquished

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McConnell would still much rather have Trump so he could appoint more judges and pass more tax cuts for billionaires.
They still won't let Biden get anything good done. Thus causing Dems to lose the next elections. The next Senate map looks ever so slightly more favorable for dems geographically. But I doubt it will do enough.
 

MrSquished

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No, in that scenario we'd just be in a holding pattern until 2024 when hopefully both parties can do some introspection and hopefully put forth some fundamentally different (and younger) candidates.
You are delusional. The Republicans have been hardline for a while. Dems came out more moderate this time around and barely budged the needle. Shit, Obama was more moderate than progressive and he still got labeled a socialist and got obstructed. And younger doesn't automatically mean better. Many of the dipshit Trumphumpers of the Republican party are younger. They are just breeding assholes at this point. It's the cult of Trump type politics. If this election shows anything, even if Biden wins barely, it's that extremism works with their base more than anything else. Even with a trash economy and a poor pandemic response, he barely loses. If the Repubs try to go more moderate they know they will lose big. They won't do it.

Face it. You are the guy that supports not bucking a system skewed with gerrymandering, voter suppression, the wackadoo EC, changing the rules about SC justices depending who is in charge by the Republicans, etc...You are useless dude. This election was a tipping point and it didn't happen. Trumpism had to be repudiated and it wasn't.
 

gothuevos

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You are delusional. The Republicans have been hardline for a while. Dems came out more moderate this time around and barely budged the needle. Shit, Obama was more moderate than progressive and he still got labeled a socialist and got obstructed. And younger doesn't automatically mean better. Many of the dipshit Trumphumpers of the Republican party are younger. They are just breeding assholes at this point. It's the cult of Trump type politics. If this election shows anything, even if Biden wins barely, it's that extremism works with their base more than anything else. Even with a trash economy and a poor pandemic response, he barely loses. If the Repubs try to go more moderate they know they will lose big. They won't do it.

Face it. You are the guy that supports not bucking a system skewed with gerrymandering, voter suppression, the wackadoo EC, changing the rules about SC justices depending who is in charge by the Republicans, etc...You are useless dude. This election was a tipping point and it didn't happen. Trumpism had to be repudiated and it wasn't.

It should have, but it appears that's simply not where the country is in 2020.

Change takes time. I don't know if you're upset at the candidates or the electorate.
 

Svnla

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People around the world are watching the election. All of the main news sources are running live shows with live reporters and feeds about the election. From Asia (CNA) to Europe (France24 and DW) to Middle East (Al Jazeera).
 

QueBert

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I'm dog tired from standing in line for almost 3 hours tonight to vote so my brain's a little cloudy.

Biden should get Arizona & Nevada. If he also got Wisconsin & Michigan or Georgia that would put him at 267, if trump won all the other states that's 267 too. I think 267's the absolute best case scenario for Biden and even that's really pushing it. I'm too tired to Google and read. But in the case of a tie Biden will have a 0% chance because it goes to the House right? And unless there's something I don't understand about the actual voting process when there's a EC tie, the House is a Republican majority so it going to a tie-breaking vote would just be a formality.

I'm REALLY trying to find a way for Trump to lose here, but the more numbers I try the worse it's looking. I want to get drunk on DIPA's and wake up to a miracle from the mail in voting.
 

Bitek

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You are delusional. The Republicans have been hardline for a while. Dems came out more moderate this time around and barely budged the needle. Shit, Obama was more moderate than progressive and he still got labeled a socialist and got obstructed. And younger doesn't automatically mean better. Many of the dipshit Trumphumpers of the Republican party are younger. They are just breeding assholes at this point. It's the cult of Trump type politics. If this election shows anything, even if Biden wins barely, it's that extremism works with their base more than anything else. Even with a trash economy and a poor pandemic response, he barely loses. If the Repubs try to go more moderate they know they will lose big. They won't do it.

Face it. You are the guy that supports not bucking a system skewed with gerrymandering, voter suppression, the wackadoo EC, changing the rules about SC justices depending who is in charge by the Republicans, etc...You are useless dude. This election was a tipping point and it didn't happen. Trumpism had to be repudiated and it wasn't.

I'd add that the nature of the EC favors rural areas and builds in a natural R advantage that doesn't punish extremism, and may actually feed it.

This may be an overwhelming blue election in terms of popular vote, but not translate to electoral victories. The whole system continues to fall into illegitimacy and paralysis.
 
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Svnla

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I'm dog tired from standing in line for almost 3 hours tonight to vote so my brain's a little cloudy.

Biden should get Arizona & Nevada. If he also got Wisconsin & Michigan or Georgia that would put him at 267, if trump won all the other states that's 267 too. I think 267's the absolute best case scenario for Biden and even that's really pushing it. I'm too tired to Google and read. But in the case of a tie Biden will have a 0% chance because it goes to the House right? And unless there's something I don't understand about the actual voting process when there's a EC tie, the House is a Republican majority so it going to a tie-breaking vote would just be a formality.

I'm REALLY trying to find a way for Trump to lose here, but the more numbers I try the worse it's looking. I want to get drunk on DIPA's and wake up to a miracle from the mail in voting.

You have it wrong. The House of Rep is D controlled and the Senate is R controlled. (as of now and subject to change).
 

Bitek

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I'm dog tired from standing in line for almost 3 hours tonight to vote so my brain's a little cloudy.

Biden should get Arizona & Nevada. If he also got Wisconsin & Michigan or Georgia that would put him at 267, if trump won all the other states that's 267 too. I think 267's the absolute best case scenario for Biden and even that's really pushing it. I'm too tired to Google and read. But in the case of a tie Biden will have a 0% chance because it goes to the House right? And unless there's something I don't understand about the actual voting process when there's a EC tie, the House is a Republican majority so it going to a tie-breaking vote would just be a formality.

I'm REALLY trying to find a way for Trump to lose here, but the more numbers I try the worse it's looking. I want to get drunk on DIPA's and wake up to a miracle from the mail in voting.

I think you are off.

If Biden wins AZ, WI and MI it's over.

Ties would be at 269

Pelosi is speaker and the House is D.
 

Indus

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I think you are off.

If Biden wins AZ, WI and MI it's over.

Ties would be at 269

Pelosi is speaker and the House is D.

Ties don't work that way in the House. You get 1 vote per state. Guess who controls 26 state legislatures?
 

Bitek

Lifer
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Ties don't work that way in the House. You get 1 vote per state. Guess who controls 26 state legislatures?

Yeah, IDK if that was what was meant. The rest was off, and that was unclear.

Regardless, not going to happen with NE-2 being called for Biden.
 

QueBert

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Jan 6, 2002
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I think you are off.

If Biden wins AZ, WI and MI it's over.

Ties would be at 269

Pelosi is speaker and the House is D.

I got 267 for ties, the only way I could get 269 for Biden was with him winning Alaska and that's not going to happen. Oh and he would have to win a couple of other states he's currently trailing big in. Regardless of 267 or 269, Biden needs absolutely everything to go his way until the votes are all added up. It's Trump's election to lose at this point, which really pains me to say

*EDIT*

SHIT my bad, I just realized I totally missed that ME's still up for grabs and looking good for Biden. Now I gotta go redo numbers.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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I'm dog tired from standing in line for almost 3 hours tonight to vote so my brain's a little cloudy.

Biden should get Arizona & Nevada. If he also got Wisconsin & Michigan or Georgia that would put him at 267, if trump won all the other states that's 267 too. I think 267's the absolute best case scenario for Biden and even that's really pushing it. I'm too tired to Google and read. But in the case of a tie Biden will have a 0% chance because it goes to the House right? And unless there's something I don't understand about the actual voting process when there's a EC tie, the House is a Republican majority so it going to a tie-breaking vote would just be a formality.

I'm REALLY trying to find a way for Trump to lose here, but the more numbers I try the worse it's looking. I want to get drunk on DIPA's and wake up to a miracle from the mail in voting.

Biden won NE-2 so a 269-269 tie looks doubtful. If Biden takes AZ + NV + MI + WI + ME (minus the second district, not sure which way that's polling) but loses GA + PA + NC + AK he eeks out a 270-268 victory. Same if you swap GA and MI.
 

Ken g6

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I think you are full of shit. But keep talking so I can ease my mind and go to sleep.
That wasn't enough to help me sleep, so I plugged the current results into the FiveThirtyEight simulator:


It still gives Biden an 85% chance of winning. 🤞
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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I got 267 for ties, the only way I could get 269 for Biden was with him winning Alaska and that's not a possibility. Oh and he would have to win a couple of other states he's currently trailing big in. Regardless of 267 or 269, Biden needs absolutely everything to go his way until the votes are all added up. It's Trump's election to lose at this point, which really pains me to say
Man, a triple quote.

Let's hope AZ stays in blue column and WI doesn't shit the bed so we can move on to the Biden-Mcconnell gridlock hellscape in 2021
 

Franz316

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The Senate isn't looking too go either. So if Joe ekes out a victory not much is going to get done with Mitchy in town.
 

SteveGrabowski

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That wasn't enough to help me sleep, so I plugged the current results into the FiveThirtyEight simulator:


It still gives Biden an 85% chance of winning. 🤞

Same site gave Biden a 70% chance of winning Florida. Not sure I'd trust their modeling.
 
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