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For fuck sake Arizona. Apparently there was an error and they have a substantial amount of votes to be counted.

Only 86% of the votes have been counted, and the latest results are leaning heavily to Trump.

This sucks.

Fuck.
 

Starbuck1975

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I just think there are options to address voting disenfranchisement. One option is looking to how ME and NE split electoral votes. A state like Kentucky with 8 electoral votes could give 2 to Fayette county (Lexington), 2 to Jefferson (Louisville), 2 to Northern Kentucky, and the remaining rural areas would get the other 2. Then you can at least cast a vote for president in one of the two largest cities in the state and it still actually means something.

Same goes for a state like Oregon (Or Washington and Seattle) where Multnomah (Portland) basically controls everything. Split the electoral to give a voice to the remaining part of the state which are *very* vocal.

I think we have ways around this. I don't think it's healthy for anyone to be sitting through challenges and recounts and just the uncertainty that 10,000 votes cast at a state level can mean for a national race. It's just insanity.
I am more in favor of this. I think winner take all in some ways undermines the electoral system. I much prefer what is happening in Maine and Nebraska, the projection I have up currently has Biden reaching 270 with the Nebraska district being the one electoral vote that gets him there. Its somewhat poetic that the electoral calculus is shifting to reflect changes in the electorate. I would gladly support other states following Nebraska and Maine. I don’t see CA, TX or NY going for it.

Also, Rhode Island shouldn’t even count, John King kept having trouble selecting it on his magic wall.
 
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Another take away - money doesn't ultimately buy seats.
 

NWRMidnight

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Well this might explain what happened in Miami-Dade

LOL manual processing mail is way, way, way slower!
 

IronWing

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BTW, Biden has now earned the most votes of any presidential candidate in US history, beating out Obama's 2008 haul and still rising.
 

Jhhnn

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For fuck sake Arizona. Apparently there was an error and they have a substantial amount of votes to be counted.

Only 86% of the votes have been counted, and the latest results are leaning heavily to Trump.

This sucks.

That's bullshit-

Fox News and the Associated Press — neither of which uses the Edison data — called Arizona’s 11 electoral votes for Biden, but Trump’s campaign maintains that it will win the state by 30,000 votes.

 

NWRMidnight

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Here is a question, why has the count stopped dead in GA for hours now?

With Biden 87,000 behind and only 80% of Atlanta and Savanna counted it seems they do not want to flip the state. Why? It's going to flip as soon as all of DeKalb is counted.

Is fuckery afoot in GA?
Equipment break down that is used to count mail in ballots.
 

NWRMidnight

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What’s weird is that people always argue that the EC gives small states and rural areas a voice when that’s obviously untrue.

Small states? When was the last time a presidential candidate visited Rhode Islandor Wyoming? Rural areas? Why aren’t they visiting Idaho or West Virginia? This is all obvious, obvious nonsense.

What the electoral college does is substitute the will of the majority of voters nationwide for the will of voters in about a half dozen states. If you think the concerns of Ohio are more important than the concerns of New York and California I would like to hear why.
It also fuels those that feel like their vote won't matter, so they don't vote. If it was majority win with no EC, people would be more inclined to vote because their vote may actually matter. With the EC, in many states, your vote means nothing if you are not part of the majority of that state, even though you where part of the majority nation wide.
 

Vic

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I just think there are options to address voting disenfranchisement. One option is looking to how ME and NE split electoral votes. A state like Kentucky with 8 electoral votes could give 2 to Fayette county (Lexington), 2 to Jefferson (Louisville), 2 to Northern Kentucky, and the remaining rural areas would get the other 2. Then you can at least cast a vote for president in one of the two largest cities in the state and it still actually means something.

Same goes for a state like Oregon (Or Washington and Seattle) where Multnomah (Portland) basically controls everything. Split the electoral to give a voice to the remaining part of the state which are *very* vocal.

I think we have ways around this. I don't think it's healthy for anyone to be sitting through challenges and recounts and just the uncertainty that 10,000 votes cast at a state level can mean for a national race. It's just insanity.

I think splitting the electoral votes among the legislative districts is a good option to explore. Although, I think it will find a lot of resistance.
And not disagreeing with you here per se, but it isn't Multnomah county that controls Oregon politics, it's Washington county. They have been the deciding county in every statewide election for at least the last 40 years.

Edit: although it looks like Deschutes county finally flipped blue this year, which should cause the state GOP some alarm.
 
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blackangst1

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For fuck sake Arizona. Apparently there was an error and they have a substantial amount of votes to be counted.

Only 86% of the votes have been counted, and the latest results are leaning heavily to Trump.

This sucks.

Interesting. I hadnt heard that yet (Im in PHX). Most places have already called it for Biden.

edit: I found it.
 
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Captante

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It also fuels those that feel like their vote won't matter, so they don't vote. If it was majority win with no EC, people would be more inclined to vote because their vote may actually matter. With the EC, in many states, your vote means nothing if you are not part of the majority of that state, even though you where part of the majority nation wide.


Degree of truth to this ... here in Connecticut that was my situation exactly.

This in no way however takes away from the importance of voting in your state & local elections which has much more impact on most folks day to day life.
 
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