The Official 2020 General Election returns thread CONTAINS NSFW IMAGES IN POST 3,884

[blackangst1]

Just saw the alert. Trump is suing to stop counting votes in Michigan

To be fair, MI is not following their own laws by not publicizing the opening and counting of ballots.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Peters is quickly gaining over James. Let's go Michiganders!!!!

 

[JD50]

To be fair, MI is not following their own laws by not publicizing the opening and counting of ballots.

This is what Trump claims, is there any evidence?

 

[Muse]

I'm not sure you understand .... this is a turning point for the country.

I'm really starting to believe that everything I was taught about America as a kid was a complete lie and Democracy can't work because the average voter is just too stupid and short-sighted.

Worst of all I'm certain I'm not alone ... I'm white, moderate, educated and late middle-aged ... I've always loved this country and believed in our ability to overcome.

That's all changed now .... I've about had it.

I have the feeling that the bigger problem is the existential crisis of global climate warming. Like Gore pointed out, it's an Inconvenient Truth. Trump jumped all over Biden when he said he'd initiate a transition from carbon based energy production to green energy production by 2035 IIRC. "Texas, Pennsylvania, did you hear that?" he bellowed. Americans don't want to give up their automobiles. They don't want to hear the truth if it's inconvenient for their lifestyles. If their livelihood depends on fossil fuel energy, they are nervous and against changing how they make a buck. But the writing is on the wall, we will go the way of the dinosaur unless we face the facts. Throw in racial inequities people don't want to face, also voter suppression, which is part of that. White people vote in 15 minutes, non-whites to a great extent face 10+ hour lines.

 

[brycejones]

To be fair, MI is not following their own laws by not publicizing the opening and counting of ballots.

Evidence please.

 

[brycejones]

This is what Trump claims, is there any evidence?

Only what the lame stream media is covering up! /s

 

[vi edit]

The problem with that is that legislative districts can be gerrymandered.

I wouldn't propose it along districts. It would be more of a district that most states haven't really done to date. I don't know *exactly* how it would look for each state but it would be more of a rural vs urban split where designated electoral votes are based on population percent.

The more I sit back and watch 2016 and 2020 unfold the more it's apparent this is more of a rural vs urban split. And it's not going to get any better unless we take a different approach to how we allow each demographic to have a voice.

 

[fskimospy]

I imagine in the end Biden wins by 5-6 points overall.

Everyone should stop and think about how smart it is to have a system where if one party wins by 5-6 points it's a very close result and if the other party wins by 5-6 points it's a huge blowout.

If you didn't know which party got that advantage would you think it's a good way to do things?

 

[blackangst1]

This is what Trump claims, is there any evidence?

Difficult to prove a negative, so we'll let the court decide. The burden of proof lies with the state.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Difficult to prove a negative, so we'll let the court decide. The burden of proof lies with the state.

doesn't the burden of proof lie with the plaintiff? in which case, that would be trump?

 

[Grey_Beard]

Why the Post Office’s Last-Minute Ballot Crisis Isn’t as Dire as It Seems

The USPS has been intentionally making its own ballot delivery statistics look worse so it can deliver them faster.

www.vice.com

Viper GTS

Thanks for that. Been busy at work and have drips and drabs of info.

 

[brycejones]

Difficult to prove a negative, so we'll let the court decide. The burden of proof lies with the state.

That's fucking weak. Either you have evidence or you don't.

 

[Wreckem]

Regarding Arizona. The outstanding vote it 600k votes. 450k votes are from Maricopa Count. They early votes/mail in votes that arrived or were dropped off in person on Monday and Tuesday

 

[QueBert]

This is KILLING me, I thought late last night was bad. But after sleep and checking shit again I feel like I'm going to explode. I can't handle waking up to see the same 64% reporting in PA with Trump. Was the same shit when I went to bed @ 4AM. I understand they stopped counting in PA until 10AM, but I woke up 10AM pacific time so I expected to see the number higher. Can someone please find me a fake map online that shows MI, NV blue and shows Biden at 270. I don't care if it's not legit, if my eyes see it maybe my brain will actually calm down.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Why the Post Office’s Last-Minute Ballot Crisis Isn’t as Dire as It Seems

The USPS has been intentionally making its own ballot delivery statistics look worse so it can deliver them faster.

www.vice.com

Viper GTS

Read the article. Their reasoning that it may not be as dire as it seems is that they didn't scan in a bunch of ballots and did them manually.. Hello!!! Manually is MUCH MUCH slower than automation. Their reasoning doesn't hold water.

 

[Wreckem]

PA won’t be done until Friday. Nevada will be done tomorrow. Arizona will be done after midnight tonight.

 

[blackangst1]

doesn't the burden of proof lie with the plaintiff? in which case, that would be trump?

Edit: Yes. Im not sure how they could prove they werent given access, unless the state provides proof access was set up.

 

[ondma]

Rather than assigning them to specific districts, can't they just be awarded proportionally, relative to the split of the total vote? What's the benefit in associating specific EC voters with specific districts?

So if 1/3 of the total vote goes to candidate A and 2/3 to candidate B, you give 1/3 of the state's EC places to A and 2/3 of them to B.
The problem might be making the fractions match, but a rough parity ought to be possible, surely?

Seems simpler just to use the popular vote.

 

[ch33zw1z]

doesn't the burden of proof lie with the plaintiff? in which case, that would be trump?

Claims with proof are for democrat libtards

 

[JD50]

Difficult to prove a negative, so we'll let the court decide. The burden of proof lies with the state.

Lol no, Trump is making the claim that they aren't being allowed access. Where is this happening?

 

[Amused]

Difficult to prove a negative, so we'll let the court decide. The burden of proof lies with the state.

Which is why the burden of proof belongs to THE ACCUSER. That would be you and your guy Trump.

Simply making a claim does not mean the defendant must disprove it.

 

[Viper GTS]

Thanks for that. Been busy at work and have drips and drabs of info.

Glad to help. There was also this update if you didn't catch it:

USPS Inspectors Find 13 Undelivered Ballots, Deliver Them

The update to the court suggests there are not hundreds of thousands of ballots missing in USPS facilities.

www.vice.com

Read the article. Their reasoning that it may not be as dire as it seems is that they didn't scan in a bunch of ballots and did them manually.. Hello!!! Manually is MUCH MUCH slower than automation. Their reasoning doesn't hold water.

If there were hundreds of thousands of ballots in postal facilities we would know about it. Thirteen I would absolutely believe.

Trust me I'd love to be able to crucify DeJoy but IMO we haven't seen anything near sufficient evidence to do that here. Anyone who buys or sells anything online knows that USPS tracking is not spectacular.

Viper GTS

 

[fskimospy]

No.

Uhmmmm, yes. The state's position is the status quo, they don't have to prove anything.

 

[Grey_Beard]

No.

Once the State shows the audit and the count matches, the court can rule for a recount, but historically recounts do not net many votes. As long as the State follows their process and the audit ties, there is not much the campaign can do.

 

[PlanetJosh]

Don't want to jump ahead with something that may never happen but can more than one recount happen for a state? Like if either candidate doesn't like the result of the first recount they press for a second one.

Edit: And going way further ahead, probably needlessly, but I have to wonder if the Soctus overturns a Biden win and allows Trump to remain as president would any blue states refuse to accept it? And would any of those blue states deputize citizens to back up that refusal? The assumption being the existing law enforcement would generally be Trump supporters.

With that keep in mind I'm a moderate so I'm open to such a physically confrontational outcome. Progressives generally don't favor such an extreme, at least I think they don't. And conservatives, well we all know conservatives tend to favor physically confrontational solutions.