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brycejones

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Am I confused? Surely saying "Trump has no path to 270" is the same thing as saying "Biden is certain to get 270"?

You didn't mention Michigan, though. If Biden has NV, WI and Michigan he's made it, no? Is that not how it works?
Biden needs NV, WI, MI, AZ to close the deal. That puts him at exactly 270.
 

UNCjigga

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Dec 12, 2000
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While the Senate results were somewhat expected (I predicted Dems wouldn't take it) I'm somewhat shocked at what's going on with the House races. Dems went into Election Day expecting to pad their healthy House margin of control, and instead Republicans picked up significant victories (including QAnon girl in Georgia and youngest House member ever from NC.)

Thus far, GOP has picked up 5 seats, and Dems margin of control is now just +10 with 55 races left to call. While most outlets are projecting Dems retain control of the House, it's now statistically possible for GOP to take control.

Lots of takes on Twitter pointing to how BAD the polling still is (always has been) for state/downballot races.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Looks to me like the East-Mid-West. Or maybe the far-West-North-East?
I grew up on the east coast, I have lived in Chicago. Upper mid west seems familiar as a self described part of the US there. What was weird to me is when I moved out west, and people described the mid west as east. Yea, east of where you live but it's the mid west.
 

cliftonite

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While the Senate results were somewhat expected (I predicted Dems wouldn't take it) I'm somewhat shocked at what's going on with the House races. Dems went into Election Day expecting to pad their healthy House margin of control, and instead Republicans picked up significant victories (including QAnon girl in Georgia and youngest House member ever from NC.)

Thus far, GOP has picked up 5 seats, and Dems margin of control is now just +10 with 55 races left to call. While most outlets are projecting Dems retain control of the House, it's now statistically possible for GOP to take control.

Lots of takes on Twitter pointing to how BAD the polling still is (always has been) for state/downballot races.

Did not expect them to lose freaking MI senate. Unreal.
 

ondma

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From what I'm seeing, Trump no longer has a viable path to 270, as NV, AZ, and WI are in the bag for Biden, and Trump still loses even if he wins PA, NC, and GA.
Nevada is very close with 67% reporting. If Trump comes back there Biden has to take Pa, NC, or Ga.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
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Did not expect them to lose freaking MI senate. Unreal.
I'm trying to figure out what the overall narrative is. Did The Lincoln Project potentially win the Presidency for Biden? Did "Save the Police" and "Stop Socialism" define Congressional races? The only thing explaining GOP Senate/House results outperforming Trump seems to be centrist Republicans/Independents voting Biden and then splitting the ticket.

Not sure MI Senate race is a done deal yet.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Am I confused? Surely saying "Trump has no path to 270" is the same thing as saying "Biden is certain to get 270"?

You didn't mention Michigan, though. If Biden has NV, WI and Michigan he's made it, no? Is that not how it works?

Correct. Biden is leading in MI by .9% with most of the uncounted votes being in Democratic strongholds of Wayne, Genesee & Kalamazoo counties.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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From what I'm seeing, Trump no longer has a viable path to 270, as NV, AZ, and WI are in the bag for Biden, and Trump still loses even if he wins PA, NC, and GA.
NV is insanely close. Will either count military later? I think Penn said they'll take military through 11/10.
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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I think the answer is that Trump is a historically binary candidate ( you either love him or hate him) and the progressive block was a mirage that was oversampled on social media and not the ballot box. People were done with Trump but not willing to switch parties en masse.

See: Beshear winning KY gubernatorial last year while state reps were red down ticket.
 

Wreckem

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Sep 23, 2006
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From the NYT Live Election Page:


Reid Epstein, in Madison, Wis. 29m ago
The margin needs to be less than 1 percent for a recount in Wisconsin. Trump will have to pay about $3 million for it unless the margin is less than one quarter of 1 percent.
See Wisconsin results ›

$3M for the recount? Better get that in advance since since it's Trump we're talking about here.
Generally recounts are bonded.
 

Maxima1

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Jan 15, 2013
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You think there will be a fair election in 2024 if Trump wins?

At present, it looks like Biden will not be able to do anything. Are we going to keep participating in this farce system? Historically, a party can go decades without the Senate. That looks to be the outlook here. Biden can't even get control of it with help of botched coronavirus response & bad economy. You suggest to me that Trump being reelected will lead to unfair elections, but the next challenger is positioned to at least be a little more competent than Trump and will complete even more of the Republican agenda anyway.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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While the Senate results were somewhat expected (I predicted Dems wouldn't take it) I'm somewhat shocked at what's going on with the House races. Dems went into Election Day expecting to pad their healthy House margin of control, and instead Republicans picked up significant victories (including QAnon girl in Georgia and youngest House member ever from NC.)

Thus far, GOP has picked up 5 seats, and Dems margin of control is now just +10 with 55 races left to call. While most outlets are projecting Dems retain control of the House, it's now statistically possible for GOP to take control.

Lots of takes on Twitter pointing to how BAD the polling still is (always has been) for state/downballot races.
It appears all polling this year was shit.
 
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Wreckem

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Nevada is close but it’s all mostly mail in ballots that arrived on Tuesday and provisional ballots. They are almost all from Clark County and Reno. At worst they will split 50/50. Most likely Biden will net votes.
 

Paratus

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Jun 4, 2004
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Saw a quote from 538 about the remaining vote in PA.

One small batch of 4700 mail-in votes from Allegheny County (Pittsburgh and surrounding area - got family in that area BTW) 80% went to Biden.

So while Trump has a lead in votes counted so far, the remaining areas are pro Dem and the types of ballots being counted are even further pro Dem as Dems were voting early by mail.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Nevada is very close with 67% reporting. If Trump comes back there Biden has to take Pa, NC, or Ga.

It's close, but most uncounted votes are in Clark & Washoe counties who strongly favor Biden-


Those counties are the bulk of the population in the state. Huge areas are basically uninhabited.
 

NWRMidnight

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Jun 18, 2001
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There is no way Biden will win in PA.

1.4 million x 0.65 = 910,000 Biden + base

1.4 million x 0.35 = 490,000 Trump

490,000 + 600,000 = 1,090,000. Trump + base
Not even close, they have already counted half of the mail in ballots (there where 2.5 million). only 500k+ where republican requested ballots. you are trying to say that in the 1.4 Million ballots left to be counted, almost all of the republican ballots are there and very few where in the first half that has already been counted. Statistically impossible.
 
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