*The Official 22? Chi Mei 6-bit TN Panel Thread*

[BernardP]

Interesting list MegaVovaN

No 1280x800 in there...

If you have tried 1280x800 on your monitor, I would like to know the results. I ask because the Samsung 215TW also doesn't list 1280x800 as a standard timing preset, but it displays this resolution correctly. See BreezyCool's reply near the bottom of This page.

"The Nvidia driver allowed me to add custom resolutions. The following worked with the monitor: 960x600, 1024x640 and 1280x800". But 1152x720 doesn't work on the Samsung 215TW

So I think (hope!) that 1280 x 800 might also work on the 22-inch widescreens.

 

[MegaVovaN]

I can't add this resolution using nVidia drivers.
Screenshot

 

[BernardP]

Originally posted by: MegaVovaN
I can't add this resolution using nVidia drivers.
Screenshot

Thanks for trying MegaVovaN. This doesn't look too promising.

I have NVidia 6150 integrated graphics and 1280x800 is available, but I (still) have a CRT, which will do about any rez. The 6150 chip is related to the 6xxx series graphics, so I would expect the 6800GT to be able to display 1280x800. But it looks like you monitor is saying "NO" to your graphics driver.

 

[unfalliblekrutch]

Info on the westinghouse...also no 1280x800

When i try to force 1280x800 the monitor detects it as 1024x768. Then it auto-configs the settings to try to fit the display, and it gets the width right, but the top and bottom of the desktop gets cut off (start menu becomes completely hidden below the bottom of the screen). There is no way I know of to manually configure screen size on my westinghouse.

Monitor
Windows description......... Plug and Play Monitor
Manufacturer description.... LCM-22w2
Manufacturer................ Westinghouse
????????????????????????????
Plug and Play ID............ WDE2202
Serial number............... 0
EDID data source............ I2C bus (real-time)
????????????????????????????
Manufacture date............ 2006, ISO week 20
EDID revision............... 1.3
Display type and signal..... Analog 0.700,0.000 (0.7V p-p)
Sync input support.......... Separate
Screen size................. 470 x 300 mm (~23")
Power management............ Active off/sleep

Color characteristics
Display gamma............... 2.20
Red chromaticity............ Rx 0.644 - Ry 0.348
Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0.286 - Gy 0.603
Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0.143 - By 0.070
White point (default)....... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329

Timing characteristics
VESA GTF support............ Not supported
Horizontal scan range....... 30-82kHz
Vertical scan range......... 56-76Hz
Video bandwidth............. 160MHz
Extension blocks............ n/a
Timing recommendation #1.... 1680x1050 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1680x1050" 146.250 1680 1784 1960 2240 1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480 at 67Hz - Mac II
640 x 480 at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480 at 75Hz - VESA
720 x 400 at 70Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600 at 56Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 75Hz - VESA
832 x 624 at 75Hz - Mac II
1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 75Hz - VESA
1152 x 864 at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 720 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 960 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 75Hz - VESA
1360 x 765 at 60Hz - VESA
1440 x 1440 at 60Hz - VESA
1440 x 1440 at 75Hz - VESA
1680 x 1050 at 60Hz - Westinghouse
1680 x 1680 at 60Hz - VESA

Raw EDID base
00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 5C 85 02 22 01 01 01 01
10: 14 10 01 03 68 2F 1E 78 2E C5 85 A4 59 49 9A 24
20: 12 50 54 BF EF 00 81 80 81 40 71 4F 95 00 95 0F
30: B3 00 81 C0 8B C0 21 39 90 30 62 1A 27 40 68 B0
40: 36 00 D9 28 11 00 00 1C 00 00 00 FF 00 30 0A 20
50: 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FD 00 38
60: 4C 1E 52 10 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FC
70: 00 4C 43 4D 2D 32 32 77 32 0A 20 20 20 20 00 55

Display adapter
Adapter description......... RADEON 9800 SE (Omega 3.8.291)
Adapter device ID........... 0x41481002
Display settings............ 1680x1050, 32bpp

 

[xtknight]

You should be able to use 1280x800 with NVIDIA cards even if the monitor can't scale it. I don't think ATIs have built-in scaling support, though I can't confirm that one way or the other.

 

[BernardP]

unfalliblekrutch: You have an ATI card, so this might be what is keeping your monitor from displaying 1280x800

xtknight: I have NVidia Integrated graphics and plan to add a 7600GT soon. I have a question. If I use the videocard/driver to downscale the resolution to 1280x800 from the native 1680x1050, will this still send a 1680x1050 signal to the videocard? I hope that what I am trying to tell is understandable...

This would have no importance for desktop use, but I am wondering if it would make the card work harder in gaming. If I understand internal scaling, the card should process everything internally at 1280x800 and then upscale to 1680x1050 before sending the signal to the monitor. This would more or less ensure that displaying a game at 1280x800 puts only a 1280x800 "pressure" on the videocard. But is it really how this works?

Thanks

 

[ChrisL]

I got my Dell Dell 228WFP. Does anyone else notice that the video quality is horrible. The game I tired (Titan Quest) looks fine, but when I try playing back divx, or video recorded in my dvd recorder the blockiness and banding in flesh tones, hair, etc is horrible. I first though it could be a cable or video card problem, so I tired both vga and dvi and I still get the same thing. I then hooked it and a 20 widescreen dell both up and if I slide the window from one monitor to the other the 20 looks fine and normal but the 22 looks horrible.

 

[BernardP]

Originally posted by: ChrisL
I got my Dell Dell 228WFP. Does anyone else notice that the video quality is horrible(...) if I slide the window from one monitor to the other the 20 looks fine and normal but the 22 looks horrible.

You are one of the first with this new monitor ChrisL. I was very tempted to jump on the 299 $C offer for the E228 but decided to wait for reviews. Your comment cools my enthusiasm, to say the least. You dual-monitor comparison can't be more convincing.

 

[ianmills]

Originally posted by: ChrisL
I got my Dell Dell 228WFP. Does anyone else notice that the video quality is horrible. The game I tired (Titan Quest) looks fine, but when I try playing back divx, or video recorded in my dvd recorder the blockiness and banding in flesh tones, hair, etc is horrible. I first though it could be a cable or video card problem, so I tired both vga and dvi and I still get the same thing. I then hooked it and a 20 widescreen dell both up and if I slide the window from one monitor to the other the 20 looks fine and normal but the 22 looks horrible.

When I received this monitor I noticed the colors words as good as my viesonic pf775, but I wouldn't call it terrible. I never noticed the blockiness or banding. I don't suppose there could be some way we could compare?

 

[ChrisL]

ianmills,

When you say the colors weren't as good, what were you looking at. I noticed the biggest problems playing back DIVX files. In doing so I noticed blocks of color. The biggest thinks were shadows, skin tones and hair. Now I compared a bought DVD to a dvd recorded on my dvd recorder (at 2 hrs per disk) to a Divx file (350MB per hour). The DIvx was worst. The DVD recorder next, The DVD just looked slightly off. When i played Titan quest at 1680*1050 it looked perfectly fine. The windows desktop looked fine as well (though not as bright or blue by default as my 20 inch). I am actually thinking of opening up another monitor to compare (I have 3 total). The monitor test I did would suggest it is not a defect, but we'll see. I took a series of 4 digital pictures of the same scene, 2 on each monitor that shows the difference. I just don't know what the easiest may to show them to you would be.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: BernardP
xtknight: I have NVidia Integrated graphics and plan to add a 7600GT soon. I have a question. If I use the videocard/driver to downscale the resolution to 1280x800 from the native 1680x1050, will this still send a 1680x1050 signal to the videocard? I hope that what I am trying to tell is understandable...

Yes.

This would have no importance for desktop use, but I am wondering if it would make the card work harder in gaming. If I understand internal scaling, the card should process everything internally at 1280x800 and then upscale to 1680x1050 before sending the signal to the monitor. This would more or less ensure that displaying a game at 1280x800 puts only a 1280x800 "pressure" on the videocard. But is it really how this works?

Thanks

AFAIK it's a different sector of the GPU that performs scaling.

 

[BernardP]

Thanks xtknight for you concise and useful reply. I was not too sure how videocard scaling worked. So with an NVidia card, I won't have any problem making any widescreen I choose display at 1280x800. A good thing to know.

 

[FireChicken]

This is a repost from a thread I started:

ANybody know of any 22 inch monitors that can do 75hz at 1680X1050

This viewsonic only does 60hz and I am getting horrible tearing.

I also looked at the Asus 22" which looks bitchin but it also cannot do 75hz at 1680x1050.

Anybody know of a 22" that can? or is this something inherent to the 22" monitors or inherent to that resolution?

Why is it that when people talk about specs nobody ever mentions refresh rates?
Isn't it just as important as response time? If you are getting frame rates higher than the refresh rate tearing will occur. Who cares if you have a monitor that has a 2ms response time if it cant to over 60 FPS with out tearing?

 

[MegaVovaN]

Cap your game at 60 FPS.

I play CS:S and getting about 40-60 FPS, it looks fine.
AFAIK, all 22" monitors are 60 HZ cause they use roughly same panel.

 

[BernardP]

Originally posted by: MegaVovaN
Cap your game at 60 FPS.

How is this done?

 

[MegaVovaN]

It depends on game. In CS: Source, open up console and type
fps_max 60

Probably it is possible to sync game to screen refresh rate in video card's driver panel too, although I am not sure about the whole "sync" thing.

 

[imported_RedStar]

do a search on dell and 22 and you will find my comments.

I just want to say here..that i love my dell 22 inch! ..I have no banding or any other issues.
My backlight bleeding issue was VERY minor...but now, i think it is actually almost gone at the top ...prolly cause i turned my brightness down and contrast up based on someone who had calibrated theirs.

Now i might be extremely happy with this monitor because i did not have high expectations and this is my first LCD. Then again, i can't find fault with it ...yet, anyways.
This might change when i get a powerful system and 60 HZ may become a problem.

 

[mset]

Originally posted by: ChrisL
I got my Dell Dell 228WFP. Does anyone else notice that the video quality is horrible. The game I tired (Titan Quest) looks fine, but when I try playing back divx, or video recorded in my dvd recorder the blockiness and banding in flesh tones, hair, etc is horrible. I first though it could be a cable or video card problem, so I tired both vga and dvi and I still get the same thing. I then hooked it and a 20 widescreen dell both up and if I slide the window from one monitor to the other the 20 looks fine and normal but the 22 looks horrible.

I picked up a 228WFP from the Boxing Day sale up here in Toronto... and sent it back. I may have had a particularly bad panel but there wasn't much that was right with it. Very washed out colours (tried to tweak it for a while with Riva Tuner), those weird geometric shadow shapes (dithering? sorry, I'm not a LCD display guy) and serious backlight bleed. Another major issue was the viewing angle. I just couldn't get used to scrolling around and seeing image elements that were in fact identical showing as radically different colours. Spent 30 minutes bobbing up and down in front of the thing trying to find a sweet spot that was reasonable, but no luck. I do understand that viewing angle is a problem with all TN panels.

I am now in the market for an S-IPS or AS-IPS panel (see For Sale threads), so one of you guys who are trading up should definitely sell me yours for a sweet price!

(I won't troll this thread with the link, just search under my name).

 

[IlllI]

TTT

 

[Imyourzero]

Hmm, I was tempted to go with the Asus MW221U after seeing it on Newegg for $360 AR but had some second thoughts after doing some more research. It's getting mixed reviews on Newegg...but the latest one says that they've released a new firmware that fixes the ghosting problem. I think I'll wait a little longer before making a final decision...it seems to be a decent option but there are some new panels coming out that look promising.

 

[Dreadogg]

thinking of buying this monitor but wondering if my gfroce ti 4200 128MB will do this rez. and play condition zero alright? Not looking to update system at this time just monitor, this is the only game i play, anyone have insight on this? By the way i know its a dinosaur

 

[AmdInside]

The Geforce 4 Ti 4200 can do up to 1920x1200 digitally through DVI.

 

[Dreadogg]

good thing just dont feel like updating this dinosaur yet!

 

[McParty]

OK, now that it quiet and everyone has had time to play with their new Monitors I can ask my question!! LOL (and yes, I have read this whole thread) LOL

Really just wanting opinions on 22 inch monitors. All the different ones. I go back and forth between Samsung 225, Acers, Viewsonics and back again! now I see Samsung has the 226B and LG has one with the same specs. The truth is they all go back and forth on the websites with some great SALE prices, that's why I hate to say$300-$350 range.

I am big into first person shooters.

So in any price range, what are your top three 22 inch monitors?? And why?

Thanks!

(addressed to everyone)

 

[DJ-phYre]

Originally posted by: ChrisL
I got my Dell Dell 228WFP. Does anyone else notice that the video quality is horrible. The game I tired (Titan Quest) looks fine, but when I try playing back divx, or video recorded in my dvd recorder the blockiness and banding in flesh tones, hair, etc is horrible. I first though it could be a cable or video card problem, so I tired both vga and dvi and I still get the same thing. I then hooked it and a 20 widescreen dell both up and if I slide the window from one monitor to the other the 20 looks fine and normal but the 22 looks horrible.

Can you take a picture of them side by side? I am thinking of upgrading to a 22" Wide (Not necessarily Dell 228WFP) from my Dell 2001FP... I want to see the difference...

I am