*The Official* Abit IP35-E (Ed. 2)

[nerp]

Can I use 4x1gb sticks of that corsair ram with the ip35-e at the 4-4-4-12 timings or should I just opt for 2x2gb sticks with the 5-5-5-18 timings?

Dagger -

The timings will make such a little performance difference that you really shouldn't lose any sleep over it. Aside from some bar graphs in Sandra (useless) you'd be hard pressed to see any real difference between the two timings you mentioned. I'd go with 2x2gb just for the flexibility of having the open slots for the future. If you're OCing the CPU, having two sticks is usually recommended anyway because of less stress on the board in general.

 

[logothesia]

My system has been stable since July: IP35-E, E6750, 2x1G Corsair DDR2-800 C4, FPS Blue Storm PSU, Nvidia 8800GT. FSB: 400, Mult: 8x, RAM @ 1:1, so DDR2-800. A pretty simple 3.2GHz overclock. CPUv=1.35v, RAMv=2.1v, all other voltages stock.

Last night I tried to add 2 more sticks of the same RAM and descended into hell. Unfortunately I did not just try to add more RAM, I also tried to upgrade my PSU to a Blue Storm II that was in my wife's machine. Her machine died (stopped posting with any video card) and I haven't figured out why. Just moved her hard drive to a working machine. I installed the RAM and booted Windows memory test and it ran without error.

Anyway I did 2 things:
1) Swapped in the Blue Storm II
2) Added 2 sticks of the Corsair

Now I can't get a stable post even at the defaults, even at 333x8 with the RAM running at DDR2-666. POSTing is about 50/50 and if it POSTs Windows will freeze either during startup or within 5 minutes, Orthos or not.

The first thing I did was swap back to my own known good PSU. The problem remained.
Then I removed the new RAM. The problem remained.

So now hardware wise my system is the same as it was before, but I can't run stable in windows at 333x8.

Could the suspect power supply have hurt my board? Could I have nudged something trying to get the RAM installed under the fins of my CPU cooler? I'm at a loss.

The best I got last night was after I cleared CMOS and went to 333x8. The machine seemed stable, but I used that stability to do some research and then started tweaking again.

Any ideas or similar experiences?

 

[Heidfirst]

more RAM = more stress for the memory controller.
1. are the other DIMMs exactly the same incl. revision? Corsir (& others) often change the actual modules used over the production life of a part.
2. did you increase any voltages e.g. mch?

 

[logothesia]

It was #1. My original Corsair were 6400C4 ver. 2.1 and the new ones are 6400C4 ver 6.2. When I pull up the SPD values in CPU-Z the new ones claim 5-5-5-18 at 400MHz while the old ones were 4-4-4-12 at 400MHZ. I manually set the timings to the former values and the system finally boots. I'm checking stability now.

I'm a little bit upset that 6400C4s won't post at 2.1v and 4-4-4-12 or so. Not that it matters much.

When I start putting my overclock back on I'll make sure to nudge the MCH voltage if I have any trouble. I was only doing 400 FSB anyway.

Thanks

 

[Wirrunna]

Use the SATA cables provided with the motherboard !

I just upgraded my backup box from an Abit AT8-32X S939 board to an Abit IP35.
Got a new disk for the system and used one of the new SATA cables provided. XP install went fine, overclocked the E2160 to 3Ghz, all stable for 3 hours on Orthos.

Powerd down and connected the other drives using the Abit locking SATA cables that came with the AT8-32X board. Powered up and the drives were not recognised! After hours of frustration (including reset to standard timings, swapping drives into another computer to confirm that they were OK) I tried one of the new Abit locking SATA cables and the drive was recognised. Replaced the other Abit cables with new Abit cables and the drives were all there.

Lesson learned - use the new cables provided in the box with the motherboard, not the older same design cables that worked perfectly with the old board.

 

[bobo2]

Well I decided to order some new ram OCZ platinum rev.2 PC-6400 when it arrives. I will let everyone know the outcome. This is what is happening with the corsair. Will not Post no matter what slot you use. Reset cmos. Have tried everything that (Master of None) on abit forums has suggested. Just waiting on the OCZ.

 

[Muadib]

I have a problem with the temps on my Q6600. The first two cores are 5c hotter than the other two. Any idea what would cause this? I'm using both speedfan & core temp for the measurement.

I'm currently running at 3060 MHz, 340 x 9, with the memory at 1:1 5-5-5-15. I fail prime95 if I clock it any higher, and I'm afraid to add anymore voltage to the cpu, until I can figure out why I have such a variance in the core temps. Any ideas?

 

[MadScientist]

Originally posted by: Muadib
I have a problem with the temps on my Q6600. The first two cores are 5c hotter than the other two. Any idea what would cause this? I'm using both speedfan & core temp for the measurement.

I'm currently running at 3060 MHz, 340 x 9, with the memory at 1:1 5-5-5-15. I fail prime95 if I clock it any higher, and I'm afraid to add anymore voltage to the cpu, until I can figure out why I have such a variance in the core temps. Any ideas?

It's not uncommon to have one or more cores running at different temps on a Q6600. I have one core that's 7C lower than the other three. It could be that your IHS is not flat, lapping?; could be your HS mounting, try remounting or if you have those POS pushpins replace them with a Thermalright Bolt-Thru Kit; or as in my case it's just the way the IHS sits on the cores and there's nothing you can do about it.

What's the VID, per Core Temp, of your Q6600? Mine is 1.2375V. What's your load temps, Small FFTs, at 3.06 Ghz?

My Q6600 needs 1.2975 bios, 1.248V idle, 1.208V load (CPUZ) @ 3.40Ghz, 12 hrs. Prime95 (small FFts) stable, 32C idle, 52C load with a Coolermaster Hyper TX2 HSF and an Antec 900 case, room temp 66-68F (winter).
It will do 3.6Ghz at 1.3575V bios, 1.312V idle, 1.272V load (CPUZ), 34C idle, 57C load stable, but for now I'm running it at 3.4Ghz.


Q6600 GO stepping @3.4 Ghz (9 x 378), 1.2975V bios
Gigabyte Geforce 8800GT GV-NX88T512HP
4 x 1GB Crucial Ballistix PC6400 @946Mhz, 1:1.25 ratio, 5-4-4-12-2T, 2.1V, MCH 1.25V
Vista Ultimate 64, SP1
2 x Maxtor 300GB SATA HDs
Samsung SH-S203B SATA DVD Burner
Corsair 620W PSU
Cooler Master Hyper TX2 HS/fan
Antec 900 case

 

[bryanW1995]

ok, finally fired up the ip35-e. unfortunately for said mobo, I lost one of the tiny fan screws for my cnps9700, so I'm stuck using that pathetic itty bitty stock hsf for now . right now I'm testing it at 8x375 @1.245v in bios and 1.112v in cpu-z (yes, I know that's mad vdroop).

It came with bios 15b02 and booted right up with my Q9450. I'll look at flashing to v16 or the 17 beta when I get decent cooling figured out.

 

[thegisguy]

Quick question about this board. I'm sort of a n00b to overclocking. Right now I have my E2180 at stock. In the Bios it says my FSB is 204, and my multiplier is 10, and reports a 2.04Ghz CPU speed. However it also says some about a 6x multiples and a core speed of 1.2Ghz. I forget now what the exact wording is (I'm at work right now). XP reports it as a 2.04Ghz. Which is it, or what am I missing?

 

[bryanW1995]

with power savings like eist enabled in your bios the multiplier is automatically dropped to 6 while the cpu is not under load. 6x200=1200.

 

[bryanW1995]

ok, guys, has anybody seen a new ip35 e available recently? I've checked the usual suspects without success. I'm trying to send a link to a buddy for a deal like the $65-$70 AR that we've seen a lot of lately, and I can't seem to find any in stock at all!

 

[Winterpool]

The board has been gone at least a week from Newegg. Supposedly it's gone in and out before, but a week is quite a long time, and it's no longer available at most of the usual suspects. I suspect the rebates have succeeded in clearing out Abit's inventory. Perhaps they were a bit too eager in clearing their IP35-Es, since it appears P45 may have been delayed (again?).

I hope they try again to clear the IP35 Pro aggressively from Newegg with one of those $100 AR deals.

 

[bryanW1995]

yeah, $100 for an ip35 pro was just stupid...made me kick myself for jumping on the ip35e...

 

[thegisguy]

Thanks Bryan. I'm kicking myself. I should have known that was what was up. I even read the sticky on the CPU page! Thanks again.

 

[YoYoBabyYo]

erase

 

[RRTRACKS]

Attempting to upgrade to an Abit IP35 Pro board is not something I have been able to do for reasons that go beyond any possible explanation. Hopefully someone here might have some insights into this problem. A shorthand version follows. If you need more information let me know.

Moving from a AsRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 motherboard with a Q6600 CPU to the Abit board is the objective.

The first brand new board I got from Newegg would not post the bios information. The board would post only an 87 code on the motherboard LED error indicator and then turn off. Setting the bios switch to clear would not display the expected CC code. Thinking I had a bad board it was exchanged.

The replacement board I received did a little better. The first time I booted I got to the bios setup screen. Unfortunately I did not carefully examine the information it displayed as I thought the problem had been solved. Setting the correct date and time I thought I was on my way. This was not the case.

Upon saving the bios setting and rebooting, the bios would not post to the screen. The motherboard LED code of 87 came up again followed by a system shut down. At least this time when setting the bios switch to clear I get the CC code on the motherboard LED. However upon powering up the 87 code comes up followed by a system shutdown.

The chances of getting a defective motherboard cannot be all that great. Getting two in a row has to be about the same as winning the lotto. It just does not happen.

All the components except the mother board have worked in the other setups I have used: PSU, GPU, CPU, cooling fan, memory, cables, and the case. Seeing that the memory was properly seated and placed in the correct slots along with possible cabling errors, such as the reset switch were double checked.

Before sending the second motherboard in for an exchange it would be useful to know that this problem was not created by something I did. Any comments and or suggestions revealing a possible bone headed mistake I might and probably did would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Rich

 

[Heidfirst]

1. you are in the wrong thread as this is for the IP35-E.

2. The most common cause for 8.7. (which I suspect that it was rather than 87) is not having the ATX12V1 plugged in properly.
What PSU are you using?

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: MadScientist

Originally posted by: Muadib
I have a problem with the temps on my Q6600. The first two cores are 5c hotter than the other two. Any idea what would cause this? I'm using both speedfan & core temp for the measurement.

I'm currently running at 3060 MHz, 340 x 9, with the memory at 1:1 5-5-5-15. I fail prime95 if I clock it any higher, and I'm afraid to add anymore voltage to the cpu, until I can figure out why I have such a variance in the core temps. Any ideas?

It's not uncommon to have one or more cores running at different temps on a Q6600. I have one core that's 7C lower than the other three. It could be that your IHS is not flat, lapping?; could be your HS mounting, try remounting or if you have those POS pushpins replace them with a Thermalright Bolt-Thru Kit; or as in my case it's just the way the IHS sits on the cores and there's nothing you can do about it.

What's the VID, per Core Temp, of your Q6600? Mine is 1.2375V. What's your load temps, Small FFTs, at 3.06 Ghz?

My Q6600 needs 1.2975 bios, 1.248V idle, 1.208V load (CPUZ) @ 3.40Ghz, 12 hrs. Prime95 (small FFts) stable, 32C idle, 52C load with a Coolermaster Hyper TX2 HSF and an Antec 900 case, room temp 66-68F (winter).
It will do 3.6Ghz at 1.3575V bios, 1.312V idle, 1.272V load (CPUZ), 34C idle, 57C load stable, but for now I'm running it at 3.4Ghz.


Q6600 GO stepping @3.4 Ghz (9 x 378), 1.2975V bios
Gigabyte Geforce 8800GT GV-NX88T512HP
4 x 1GB Crucial Ballistix PC6400 @946Mhz, 1:1.25 ratio, 5-4-4-12-2T, 2.1V, MCH 1.25V
Vista Ultimate 64, SP1
2 x Maxtor 300GB SATA HDs
Samsung SH-S203B SATA DVD Burner
Corsair 620W PSU
Cooler Master Hyper TX2 HS/fan
Antec 900 case

You might be on to something with the pushpins. I have the Xigmatek HDT-S1283, and it uses those plastic pushpins. I might order that bolt on kit, but if you say it's normal for quads, maybe I won't bother. I really don't want to rip everything out again.

My temps under load topped out at 60C with a room temp of 75F. Core temp says my VID is 1.2125v. I have the vcore set to 1.2725 in the bios. I also have my memory voltage set to 1.90V, with the timings set really low for now.

Another concern I had was the pwm temp. Speedfan had it at 70C under load. Is that normal for the IP35-E?

 

[RRTRACKS]

Originally posted by: Heidfirst
1. you are in the wrong thread as this is for the IP35-E.

2. The most common cause for 8.7. (which I suspect that it was rather than 87) is not having the ATX12V1 plugged in properly.
What PSU are you using?

Heidfirst,

1. Most of the information I learned about this board came from this forum, and as there is much more activity here for essentially the same board in terms of the core chip set, I posted here.

2. You are correct in the error code does have decimal points. 8.7. There is no doubt the ATX12V1 plug was seated correctly. Both the four and eight pin plugs my Antec Earthwatts 500 power supply were used in trying to get this board to work. The manual states either a four or eight pin plug can be used in this socket.

This is the same power supply I had used with the AsRock motherboard that was working correctly, before this attempted upgrade.

Thanks,

Rich

 

[MadScientist]

Originally posted by: Muadib

Originally posted by: MadScientist

Originally posted by: Muadib
I have a problem with the temps on my Q6600. The first two cores are 5c hotter than the other two. Any idea what would cause this? I'm using both speedfan & core temp for the measurement.

I'm currently running at 3060 MHz, 340 x 9, with the memory at 1:1 5-5-5-15. I fail prime95 if I clock it any higher, and I'm afraid to add anymore voltage to the cpu, until I can figure out why I have such a variance in the core temps. Any ideas?

It's not uncommon to have one or more cores running at different temps on a Q6600. I have one core that's 7C lower than the other three. It could be that your IHS is not flat, lapping?; could be your HS mounting, try remounting or if you have those POS pushpins replace them with a Thermalright Bolt-Thru Kit; or as in my case it's just the way the IHS sits on the cores and there's nothing you can do about it.

What's the VID, per Core Temp, of your Q6600? Mine is 1.2375V. What's your load temps, Small FFTs, at 3.06 Ghz?

My Q6600 needs 1.2975 bios, 1.248V idle, 1.208V load (CPUZ) @ 3.40Ghz, 12 hrs. Prime95 (small FFts) stable, 32C idle, 52C load with a Coolermaster Hyper TX2 HSF and an Antec 900 case, room temp 66-68F (winter).
It will do 3.6Ghz at 1.3575V bios, 1.312V idle, 1.272V load (CPUZ), 34C idle, 57C load stable, but for now I'm running it at 3.4Ghz.


Q6600 GO stepping @3.4 Ghz (9 x 378), 1.2975V bios
Gigabyte Geforce 8800GT GV-NX88T512HP
4 x 1GB Crucial Ballistix PC6400 @946Mhz, 1:1.25 ratio, 5-4-4-12-2T, 2.1V, MCH 1.25V
Vista Ultimate 64, SP1
2 x Maxtor 300GB SATA HDs
Samsung SH-S203B SATA DVD Burner
Corsair 620W PSU
Cooler Master Hyper TX2 HS/fan
Antec 900 case

You might be on to something with the pushpins. I have the Xigmatek HDT-S1283, and it uses those plastic pushpins. I might order that bolt on kit, but if you say it's normal for quads, maybe I won't bother. I really don't want to rip everything out again.

My temps under load topped out at 60C with a room temp of 75F. Core temp says my VID is 1.2125v. I have the vcore set to 1.2725 in the bios. I also have my memory voltage set to 1.90V, with the timings set really low for now.

Another concern I had was the pwm temp. Speedfan had it at 70C under load. Is that normal for the IP35-E?

That's a great VID for a Q6600 and according to Frosty Tech's review the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 is one hell of a heatsink. So why are your CPU and pwm temps high? Are you running your HS's fan at max, 2200RPM? Your room temp's a bit toasty at 75F. Poor case air flow? At 1.1275 Vcore in bios on full load my Q6600 is running in the low 50s and my pwm temp is in the 50s. My room temps are cooler than yours, but even on medium fan settings my Antec 900 case moves a lot of air. With your VID, HS, a slightly lower room temp, and good case air flow your Q6600 should have no problem doing 3.6 Ghz at full load temps in the 60's.

 

[Peav]

Originally posted by: Muadib
You might be on to something with the pushpins. I have the Xigmatek HDT-S1283, and it uses those plastic pushpins. I might order that bolt on kit, but if you say it's normal for quads, maybe I won't bother. I really don't want to rip everything out again.

My temps under load topped out at 60C with a room temp of 75F. Core temp says my VID is 1.2125v. I have the vcore set to 1.2725 in the bios. I also have my memory voltage set to 1.90V, with the timings set really low for now.

Another concern I had was the pwm temp. Speedfan had it at 70C under load. Is that normal for the IP35-E?

My PWM goes up to around 70C under load. My Overclock is the same as yours but my Vcore is 1.35V VID is 1.3.

I have noticed the cores on my quad have different temps under load. Cores 0 and 1 around 63C at load but cores 2 and 3 are usually around 3-5C lower. I think its normal and your temps all seem within acceptable limits.

I use a Xp120 with a YS-Tech 120MM 5 Blade fan @ 7v on it.

 

[METALWORK]

I have yet to attempt OC with my system and I would like to know if Vcore or fsb should be pushed first? I read the oc tips sticky and there the fsb is raised first, vs. in SR's original review under oc tips the vcore for a quad was first raised to 1.4v and then incremental increases made in fsb.

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: RRTRACKS

Originally posted by: Heidfirst
1. you are in the wrong thread as this is for the IP35-E.

2. The most common cause for 8.7. (which I suspect that it was rather than 87) is not having the ATX12V1 plugged in properly.
What PSU are you using?

Heidfirst,

1. Most of the information I learned about this board came from this forum, and as there is much more activity here for essentially the same board in terms of the core chip set, I posted here.

it's still an IP35-E thread though so imo you would have been better posting it in it's own thread.
Or even better if you want activity for that specific mobo the abit USA forums.

As you say the chances of getting 2 mobos faulty is remote but the chance of getting 2 faulty with exactly the same code is even rarer so it's probably a common factor to both builds.
Can you try another (preferrably non-Antec) PSU?

 

[RRTRACKS]

[/quote]
it's still an IP35-E thread though so imo you would have been better posting it in it's own thread.
Or even better if you want activity for that specific mobo the abit USA forums.

As you say the chances of getting 2 mobos faulty is remote but the chance of getting 2 faulty with exactly the same code is even rarer so it's probably a common factor to both builds.
Can you try another (preferrably non-Antec) PSU?

[/quote]

Heidfirst,

First off I would like to say thank you for the comments you provided.

Upon looking I was surprised there is not a thread on this forum for the Abit I35-Pro board. It appears you might have known this as you suggested I create a new thread. Since the issues associated with OCing might differ between the E and the Pro boards, a new thread on that issue would make sense. Unfortunately I am 10,000 miles from that point.

Your suggestion about going to the Abit USA forums was excellent. For anybody that is interested in this forum, the following link will get you there: http://forum.uabit.com/ .

You were correct in an 8.7. code being a problem with the power supply. Unfortunately I did not realize there is also an 87 code indicating: Net PC: Build Structure, whatever the heck that means, other than it is really bad news. It is rather embarrassing for me to say at this point I am not sure which of the two error codes I got.

Using another power supply with an 8.7. error code is an excellent suggestion. Nixed, I do not have another power supply to use for testing.

One good thing coming out of this problem is I can now remove and install a motherboard in less than 30 minutes. Not that this was a skill I wanted to acquire. But this skill will be used to test the board in question to see exactly which of the two codes I was getting. If it is the 8.7. code, I will be purchasing a new power supply. If it is the 87 code I will be getting another RMA.

As I prefer using a PC rather than working on one, I have put this project off until tomorrow. I will let you know how this turns out.

I suspect sometimes there are glitches in the quality control process of electronic parts that result in a higher number of defects expected to be seen by the consumer. About 10 years ago I was bit with this problem with some Maxtor drives I purchased. Two out of three from the retailer and one of the two replacements sent to me by the Maxtor. The refurbished electronic items seen for sale on Ebay and other places are more than likely a product of this problem.

Thanks Again,

Rich