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This is the crap that drives me crazy w/ PC gaming. I just want it to work - and as my team is remarkably limited being married and a father of 2, I just don't have time to waste - my gaming hours have to count.

I want to buy this for the PC - I really do. I'm just chicken shit.

I'd take Skyrim on the PC with a CTD every 60 minutes happily before I downgraded to a console copy.

Unless of course the 360/PS3 versions will be get lots and lots of awesome Skyrim mods . . .
 

Tequila

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3. If you want to know:
The robe is an item you get after completing the mage college quests. Takes a bit, but it's a nice robe.

Also for #3
You get a 100% regen mask from Morokei in the 2nd to last step and a decent staff so your total magicka regen is 200% with mask and arch mage robe. Robe also has 15% magicka reduction for all spells

Just wish I had known about the enchanting skills to get destruction reduced where none is consumed sooner... man that seems so OP lol. Did some enchanting last night and I'm only 60. Nice info on that, Rebel

Really happy I stuck with pure mage. Still need conjured pet once in a while, but I imagine once I get 100% destruction reduction I won't need pet anymore.

Also a tip for getting destruction up faster is to play on Expert mode. This way mobs have more hp and it takes more casts to kill them. I tried Master mode but too much magicka is consumed especially against multiple mobs and you get one shotted real easy. I'll try Master again once I get the above taken care of.
 
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Also for #3
You get a 100% regen mask from Morokei in the 2nd to last step and a decent staff so your total magicka regen is 200% with mask and arch mage robe. Robe also has 15% magicka reduction for all spells

Just wish I had known about the enchanting skills to get destruction reduced where none is consumed sooner... man that seems so OP lol. Did some enchanting last night and I'm only 60. Nice info on that, Rebel

Really happy I stuck with pure mage.

And about that item you mentioned, it's pretty nice looking, but you'll want to dump it for a circlet with fortify destruction for the max effect. Of course, you could keep it and just deal with it.

Sadly, you can't wear both. I really, really wish you could re-enchant items.
 

sigurros81

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I'm just curious, I think I already know the answer but I want to make sure: All the quests that are given to you by your guilds after you've finished their main quests are all randomized and never-ending right? I keep getting the quest "Silthus Forever" even when I didn't even want to pick it up.
 

Merad

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Oh good !!!

Now if somebody could make a MOD to utilize more than 2 cores, that'd be awesome ...

The game already multi threads effectively. On my system it keeps an even load across all 4 cores.

Doesn't really matter either way since changes on that level would require the source code.
 

Zenoth

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Same thing happened to me, was it in <something> Pass where there was a lot of snow/wind in it?

I checked again to get the name, it's White River Watch, but it happened in others before, not my first CTDs in caves. And @AMDZen my system is running at complete default frequencies and voltages, there's zero over-clocks, latest WHQL audio/video/chipset drivers, and ambient room temperature is 24ºC (about 75ºF). I have about 40 games currently installed, playing a dozen of them within the past few months, none of them crash, ever.

I'm used to getting random CTDs anyway in Bethesda games. I had the same random CTD issues with Morrowind (I first had it on my original XBOX, and I still remember having freezing issues even on the XBOX version), Oblivion, and Fallout 3 (I didn't bother with New Vegas) way before I even started modding them. I bought Skyrim because Bethesda labeled their engine as new, named it Creation Engine, and I believed them very sincerely. Maybe it's new or "augmented", they could call it Rainbow Horses Engine for all I care, what I do know is that Skyrim crashes just as much as any previous Bethesda games for me and many others out there.

As I mentioned, it pisses me off since I just adore Skyrim, I liked Morrowind a lot, I thought Oblivion was good especially with mods, and Fallout 3 was a superb game, I liked them all. I even made a mod myself for Fallout 3, a good two months of time went in it. But over time, trying to play with random CTDs just destroyed the fun, and I have to say that I don't have much patience with faulty software, be it games or not, but especially with games. I'll try to continue playing Skyrim until the end, once I finish the main quest I'll stop playing it and I won't bother with mods, if vanilla CTDs like this, I can't imagine what it will be like later on with mods.

A freaking waste of an otherwise magnificent game.
 

AMDZen

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Well ... I don't know what to say. I have had one crash in Skyrim and it wasn't even a CTD, it was a freeze and I know it was caused by my VidCard OC because of the artifacts, I tuned it down a little and have had zero issues since.

I guess I'm just happy I don't have these problems like you do.

I have never really had any significant problems with any Bethesda game actually. With Oblivion I did a little but only when using Mod's. Once you worked through load order and all the other mod tools to discover mods that clash with each other, I would stop having issues even after I had tons of mods loaded. Skyrim has been smooth as silk for me
 

s1njin

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I checked again to get the name, it's White River Watch, but it happened in others before, not my first CTDs in caves. And @AMDZen my system is running at complete default frequencies and voltages, there's zero over-clocks, latest WHQL audio/video/chipset drivers, and ambient room temperature is 24ºC (about 75ºF). I have about 40 games currently installed, playing a dozen of them within the past few months, none of them crash, ever.

I'm used to getting random CTDs anyway in Bethesda games. I had the same random CTD issues with Morrowind (I first had it on my original XBOX, and I still remember having freezing issues even on the XBOX version), Oblivion, and Fallout 3 (I didn't bother with New Vegas) way before I even started modding them. I bought Skyrim because Bethesda labeled their engine as new, named it Creation Engine, and I believed them very sincerely. Maybe it's new or "augmented", they could call it Rainbow Horses Engine for all I care, what I do know is that Skyrim crashes just as much as any previous Bethesda games for me and many others out there.

As I mentioned, it pisses me off since I just adore Skyrim, I liked Morrowind a lot, I thought Oblivion was good especially with mods, and Fallout 3 was a superb game, I liked them all. I even made a mod myself for Fallout 3, a good two months of time went in it. But over time, trying to play with random CTDs just destroyed the fun, and I have to say that I don't have much patience with faulty software, be it games or not, but especially with games. I'll try to continue playing Skyrim until the end, once I finish the main quest I'll stop playing it and I won't bother with mods, if vanilla CTDs like this, I can't imagine what it will be like later on with mods.

A freaking waste of an otherwise magnificent game.

Reading this, its just a damned shame. No way I'm buying this game twice - once to try to make it sing on my PC, and once on a console to suffer through the poor graphics but have it playable. Ugh ... this should be easy.
 

terry107

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I checked again to get the name, it's White River Watch, but it happened in others before, not my first CTDs in caves. And @AMDZen my system is running at complete default frequencies and voltages, there's zero over-clocks, latest WHQL audio/video/chipset drivers, and ambient room temperature is 24&#186;C (about 75&#186;F). I have about 40 games currently installed, playing a dozen of them within the past few months, none of them crash, ever.

I'm used to getting random CTDs anyway in Bethesda games. I had the same random CTD issues with Morrowind (I first had it on my original XBOX, and I still remember having freezing issues even on the XBOX version), Oblivion, and Fallout 3 (I didn't bother with New Vegas) way before I even started modding them. I bought Skyrim because Bethesda labeled their engine as new, named it Creation Engine, and I believed them very sincerely. Maybe it's new or "augmented", they could call it Rainbow Horses Engine for all I care, what I do know is that Skyrim crashes just as much as any previous Bethesda games for me and many others out there.

As I mentioned, it pisses me off since I just adore Skyrim, I liked Morrowind a lot, I thought Oblivion was good especially with mods, and Fallout 3 was a superb game, I liked them all. I even made a mod myself for Fallout 3, a good two months of time went in it. But over time, trying to play with random CTDs just destroyed the fun, and I have to say that I don't have much patience with faulty software, be it games or not, but especially with games. I'll try to continue playing Skyrim until the end, once I finish the main quest I'll stop playing it and I won't bother with mods, if vanilla CTDs like this, I can't imagine what it will be like later on with mods.

A freaking waste of an otherwise magnificent game.

Speaking of the large address mod, have you tried it? This guy said it cleared up his crashes (about 3:30 in).
 
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AMDZen

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Reading this, its just a damned shame. No way I'm buying this game twice - once to try to make it sing on my PC, and once on a console to suffer through the poor graphics but have it playable. Ugh ... this should be easy.

Personally I think Zenoth is in the minority with having so many issues. But you make your own decision.
 

RavenSEAL

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Reading this, its just a damned shame. No way I'm buying this game twice - once to try to make it sing on my PC, and once on a console to suffer through the poor graphics but have it playable. Ugh ... this should be easy.
The console versions have just as many problems, if not more, you won't be missing out on anything as far as that. Also, one of the advantages of the PC version is mod mods, which tend to fix a lot of problems.
 

sigurros81

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Reading this, its just a damned shame. No way I'm buying this game twice - once to try to make it sing on my PC, and once on a console to suffer through the poor graphics but have it playable. Ugh ... this should be easy.

How about exerting a smidgen of patience and wait for a patch. Every single Bethesda games launched with a lot of things broken, but games generally tend to be so good that everyone ignore the broken aspects of the game and soldier on through, like what me and a lot of people out there are doing.

The game itself has been stable for me aside from random CTD that happens once every couple of hours, usually after I minimize a lot. Another gripe is that the game has a lot of broken quests I've ran into, and also the game runs worse on crossfire than a single card. With all that said, I still think the game is a worthy purchase. Personally I cannot wait for the mods to start rolling out.
 

s1njin

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How about exerting a smidgen of patience and wait for a patch. Every single Bethesda games launched with a lot of things broken, but games generally tend to be so good that everyone ignore the broken aspects of the game and soldier on through, like what me and a lot of people out there are doing.

The game itself has been stable for me aside from random CTD that happens once every couple of hours, usually after I minimize a lot. Another gripe is that the game has a lot of broken quests I've ran into, and also the game runs worse on crossfire than a single card. With all that said, I still think the game is a worthy purchase. Personally I cannot wait for the mods to start rolling out.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading this thread b/c I intend on buying it for PC - but it really is a shame w/ all the CTDs I'm reading. You mean to say in all of Bethseda's QA it never once CTD and made them think 'Hey, we might have something going on here ...'? Patches for performance or extras or textures or something I get, but it really shouldn't crash except for obscene configurations or issues. My 2 cents, not trying to stir anything up w/ you.
 

RavenSEAL

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Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading this thread b/c I intend on buying it for PC - but it really is a shame w/ all the CTDs I'm reading. You mean to say in all of Bethseda's QA it never once CTD and made them think 'Hey, we might have something going on here ...'? Patches for performance or extras or textures or something I get, but it really shouldn't crash except for obscene configurations or issues. My 2 cents, not trying to stir anything up w/ you.

You have NO IDEA how big this game is, there are a lot of variables that go into it. It's easier to have a million people test it out and report a problem than 5 Q&A guys.
 

sigurros81

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Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading this thread b/c I intend on buying it for PC - but it really is a shame w/ all the CTDs I'm reading. You mean to say in all of Bethseda's QA it never once CTD and made them think 'Hey, we might have something going on here ...'? Patches for performance or extras or textures or something I get, but it really shouldn't crash except for obscene configurations or issues. My 2 cents, not trying to stir anything up w/ you.

No I hear you, it's such a damn shame that a game of this magnitude could have been much more stable on initial release. I paid 60 bucks for the game, so I do expect a level of polish, but my point is that the crashes aren't really that bad, at least for me anyways. People with issues tend to be more vocal on the forums, while those who don't have much issues are too busy enjoying the game.
 

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Personally I think Zenoth is in the minority with having so many issues. But you make your own decision.

I think the most common issue is CTDs,had about 10 over the last 55 playing hours so not too bad..
I'm trying the large address mod to see if that stops CTDs.

Basically CTDs is my main issue but no glitches or other serious issues so I'm still enjoying the game.
 

VulgarDisplay

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First 10 hours I played I had almost no crashes. Now I crash at least once every half hour. It's getting really annoying.
 

Anteaus

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The large address mod is for system memory, not video card.

I'm curious what people hope to gain by this. Obviously increasing the amount of memory accessible by the game is a good thing, but there are hard limits to what is achievable. 32-bit software (i.e. Skyrim) is code limited to 2GB with 32-bit windows and 3GB with 64-bit windows. This limitation exists regardless of physical ram...it's hard coded into Windows.

Modding Skyrim to use additional system memory can lead to serious issues if it tries to grab more than Windows will let it. This is why Supreme Commander kept crashing at release. Bethesda would have considered this when developing the game.

Of course I could be missing something here in regards to how the mod works, so if anyone can key me in on how they were able to work around this I'm all ears.

To add, I've played for hours with no CTD and in some cases played 2 min to be hit with CTD. I don't think it's related to the amount of available memory.
 

AMDZen

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I think the most common issue is CTDs,had about 10 over the last 55 playing hours so not too bad..
I'm trying the large address mod to see if that stops CTDs.

Basically CTDs is my main issue but no glitches or other serious issues so I'm still enjoying the game.

I wonder whats causing it for some and not for others. I haven't had a single CTD since I started playing and I'm probably closer to 40 hrs on this thing than 30 like I said earlier.

At work now and all I can think about is getting off and playing more

I'm curious what people hope to gain by this. Obviously increasing the amount of memory accessible by the game is a good thing, but there are hard limits to what is achievable. 32-bit software (i.e. Skyrim) is code limited to 2GB with 32-bit windows and 3GB with 64-bit windows. This limitation exists regardless of physical ram...it's hard coded into Windows.

Modding Skyrim to use additional system memory can lead to serious issues if it tries to grab more than Windows will let it. This is why Supreme Commander kept crashing at release. Bethesda would have considered this when developing the game.

Of course I could be missing something here in regards to how the mod works, so if anyone can key me in on how they were able to work around this I'm all ears.

I agree, in theory it makes no sense, but if it fixes their crashing than its reason enough to do it
 

VulgarDisplay

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I'm curious what people hope to gain by this. Obviously increasing the amount of memory accessible by the game is a good thing, but there are hard limits to what is achievable. 32-bit software (i.e. Skyrim) is code limited to 2GB with 32-bit windows and 3GB with 64-bit windows. This limitation exists regardless of physical ram...it's hard coded into Windows.

Modding Skyrim to use additional system memory can lead to serious issues if it tries to grab more than Windows will let it. This is why Supreme Commander kept crashing at release. Bethesda would have considered this when developing the game.

Of course I could be missing something here in regards to how the mod works, so if anyone can key me in on how they were able to work around this I'm all ears.

To add, I've played for hours with no CTD and in some cases played 2 min to be hit with CTD. I don't think it's related to the amount of available memory.

The large system address mod on skyrim nexus does nothing. The guy who uploaded it edited the description saying it's worthless.
 

AMDZen

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The large system address mod on skyrim nexus does nothing. The guy who uploaded it edited the description saying it's worthless.

The youtube video above says that guy was having crashes every 15 minutes, and after updating the TESV exe to use more memory he has had zero crashes.

Personally I have zero crashes any way, but if it worked for him and it can work for others like Zenoth then its hardly worthless.
 
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