The official consequences caused by the overturning of Roe thread

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uclaLabrat

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ch33zw1z

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Doesn't the FDA supercede this? Can you criminalized something the FDA has deemed safe and effective or otherwise not scheduled?
Good questions, I don’t know the answer. I don’t see it stopping the selective states rights enthusiasts
 
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IronWing

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Why should the Federalist Society be the exclusive clearing house for SCOTUS justices?

Smells like monopoly
The Federalist Society is the bullpen for Moscow Mitch's donor network. As long as a President selects from the Federalist Society members, Senate confirmation is smooth sailing when Mitch is in charge.
 

MrSquished

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Maybe Joe Manchin, the progressive hero, can help us with this pesky Roe v Wade issue and save the day!
 

Pens1566

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Manchin needs to ride off into the sunset and go back to what he was best at ... installing carpet.
 

Pens1566

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I mean who cares what he does now. He was an incredibly valuable senator while he was in office but that’s basically over now so we should just thank him and move on.

His "value" was entirely due to circumstances (numbers) outside of any action of his. He was only in that position because the senate was so close. And I don't know many that are thanking him considering he torpedoed just as many (if not more) pieces of legislation as he supported. Brett Kavanaugh thanks him, I guess.

He's basically Tuberville that gets along better with Saban.
 
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Here’s a consequence, per this mornings news 20% of registered voters blame Biden for the restrictions.
Twenty Fucking Percent. Democrats need to get out there and explain whom brought the suit to the Court and whom appointed which Justices who voted.
 

fskimospy

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His "value" was entirely due to circumstances (numbers) outside of any action of his. He was only in that position because the senate was so close. And I don't know many that are thanking him considering he torpedoed just as many (if not more) pieces of legislation as he supported. Brett Kavanaugh thanks him, I guess.

He's basically Tuberville that gets along better with Saban.
Well if people aren't thanking them then I suspect they have not thought the situation through. The question isn't if he was the most liberal senator, the question is always what Manchin was in contrast to any plausible replacement, which would nearly certainly be a Republican and probably a very right wing one.

If you want to say he only had value because the Senate was close I would still disagree but it seems that discussion is not necessary because the Senate WAS that close and without him Democrats don't organize the chamber, don't confirm lots of judges, have all the same legislation torpedoed and then some (all?). I think those things are very valuable and without Manchin they wouldn't have happened.
 
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fskimospy

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Here’s a consequence, per this mornings news 20% of registered voters blame Biden for the restrictions.
Twenty Fucking Percent. Democrats need to get out there and explain whom brought the suit to the Court and whom appointed which Justices who voted.
I would be very interested to see the cross tabs for that poll as that doesn't actually seem that high and I suspect a significant portion of that number are going to be Republican partisans who are just expressing their anger with Biden by saying things they know aret false.

Like if you ran a poll and asked if Joe Biden was responsible for 9/11 you'll get some non-trivial percentage of people who will say yes, not because they believe it, but because they want to signal disapproval.
 

Stokely

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Exactly, 20% is lower than I would have thought.

Republicans are very experienced at blaming Democrats for the thing they themselves did/the thing they hate, there is no shame and it doesn't matter what any amount of facts or evidence say, or how ludicrous it is. It's the Karl Rove approach, though he of course didn't invent it, just perfected it.

The only reason its that low is that a ton of Republicans think the restrictions are great and won't budge on them despite public majority sentiment, so they don't want to give "credit" to any damn dirty Democrat for them.

All the Democrats can do is keep hammering it. Those 20% aren't going to vote Democrat I reckon, they are the hardest core abortion banners. Need the mushy middlers to win the election.
 
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Exactly, 20% is lower than I would have thought.

Republicans are very experienced at blaming Democrats for the thing they themselves did/the thing they hate, there is no shame and it doesn't matter what any amount of facts or evidence say, or how ludicrous it is. It's the Karl Rove approach, though he of course didn't invent it, just perfected it.

The only reason its that low is that a ton of Republicans think the restrictions are great and won't budge on them despite public majority sentiment, so they don't want to give "credit" to any damn dirty Democrat for them.

All the Democrats can do is keep hammering it. Those 20% aren't going to vote Democrat I reckon, they are the hardest core abortion banners. Need the mushy middlers to win the election.
If they are the hardest core anti abortion why would they cite Biden as being responsible for the new restrictions?
 

fskimospy

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If they are the hardest core anti abortion why would they cite Biden as being responsible for the new restrictions?
Because they aren't the hardest core anti-abortion people. About 40% of Republicans say abortion should be legal in most or all cases.


So the evangelicals are probably happily crediting Trump with overturning Roe but that still leaves a lot of Republicans who like abortion but hate Biden.
 

Dave_5k

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I somehow missed this earlier, but several of the scientific articles used by plaintiffs to successfully argue that mifepristone is unsafe in front of their hand-picked Christian Fundamentalist judge were retracted from publication just before the case was heard by the Supreme Court back in March.

Issues included both inaccurate and deceptive presentations, as well as material methodology errors that “demonstrate a lack of scientific rigor and invalidate the authors’ conclusions in whole or in part.” These handful of apparently fraudulent articles used to help bring the case were in stark contrast to the more than 100 other studies showing mifepristone to be safe, in fact safer than tylenol.

After further investigation, several of the "peer reviewers" and authors on these falsified studies that claimed mifepristone as unsafe were unsurprisingly found to be pro-life activists, with undisclosed connections and conflicts of interest (some apparently acquainted through their common pro-life advocacy group memberships).

Gifted Washington Post link:
 

fskimospy

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I somehow missed this earlier, but several of the scientific articles used by plaintiffs to successfully argue that mifepristone is unsafe in front of their hand-picked Christian Fundamentalist judge were retracted from publication just before the case was heard by the Supreme Court back in March.

Issues included both inaccurate and deceptive presentations, as well as material methodology errors that “demonstrate a lack of scientific rigor and invalidate the authors’ conclusions in whole or in part.” These handful of apparently fraudulent articles used to help bring the case were in stark contrast to the more than 100 other studies showing mifepristone to be safe, in fact safer than tylenol.

After further investigation, several of the "peer reviewers" and authors on these falsified studies that claimed mifepristone as unsafe were unsurprisingly found to be pro-life activists, with undisclosed connections and conflicts of interest (some apparently acquainted through their common pro-life advocacy group memberships).

Gifted Washington Post link:
Oh yeah the ‘studies’ literally consisted of them reading posts on anti abortion message boards in one case. Lol.

Total hacks.
 
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