the *OFFICIAL* core 2 duo midnight release thread 2.0!!!

[Malenkov]

Originally posted by: Kwint Sommer
So did we use up all of our emotion yelling at price gougers and complaining about inadequate supply? E6600s are here and for something approaching a decent price, where?s the enthusiasm?

Everyone's too busy checking their mailboxes for shipping confirmation.

 

[dasmokedog]

Originally posted by: Mudokon
Quick question:

Gigabyte DS3 vs. Asus P5B?

no OC'ing, just outofthebox solid performance for low price.


Also i read DS3 HAS TO have a 1.8v RAM or wont post, im looking to get 1.9v RAM, stick with ASUS then?

Gigabyte has resolved the memory issue with the F3 BIOS. Also I would go with the DQ6 if you can afford it. The DQ6 really shines with its 12 phase PWM. Also this board smacks Asus when it come to overclocking. People are hitting 500MHz FSB with the DQ6.

 

[josh1014]

could someone recommend a good heatsink for me to go with an OEM e6700?

 

[dasmokedog]

Originally posted by: josh1014
could someone recommend a good heatsink for me to go with an OEM e6700?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118223

 

[Henny]

Originally posted by: Some1ne

This is also far from being a paper launch. People have no concept of what a real paper launch is like.

Actually, I think all the major factors are there, including:

- Extreme scarcity of product (especially retail product).
- Instant/near-instant sell-out's whenever a retailer gets some product in
- Prices as high as 50% over the suggested price, at several different retailers
- All of this despite an overstatement of supply, and a week and a half grace period to start getting chips out
- OEM's indicating that they will not ship for several more weeks

...so yes, it is a paper launch, Intel announced availability of a product that is not actually available for the vast majority of people. The last time something like this happened was with the 6xxx series of graphics cards, and if I remember correctly it was so irritating that anandtech actually posted on an article on their site that basically said "that's it, we're tired of these paper launches and virtually nonexistent availability, so we're not going to review any graphics card until we know that there is actualy retail availability of it".

I really don't see why they shouldn't come forward and make the same kind of statement about the Core 2, other than that new CPU's aren't released as often as new graphics cards are.

Edit: No, wait...actually I think it was the 5xxx series of grapics cards that pissed everyone off, or more specifically, the 59xx series from nvidia.

Right now anyone can get virtually any speed Conroe from a number of reseller sources and in a number of countries.

That is far far different from a paper launch.

Paper launch does not mean "I don't like the price". Paper launch does not mean "I'm to lazy to shop around". Paper launch does not mean "I want to buy from supplier A but can only find what I want at supplier B". Paper launch does not mean "I can get version A, Version B, Version C, but not version D".

I've seen plenty of classical paper launches. This is definately not one of them. It's simply extremely high demand and the first wave of supply in the channel.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: TheSynth
zzf has 6400 back in stock at $279

Ewiz has them for 265 shipped... (and in stock)

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=E6400BOX

These things should still be cheaper than that though.

 

[Henny]

Originally posted by: josh1014
could someone recommend a good heatsink for me to go with an OEM e6700?

I don't think you'll find a better one then this:

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I suspect it'll steal the thrown from Tuniq Tower based on early data.

 

[FreshCoyote]

Clubit has 84 6600s left. Still trying to hold out for retail for the warranty. I already have a Zalman 9500led on the table along with my Asus P5W DH Deluxe with 801 bios chip, XFX 7900 GX2 Extreme, and 2Gb OCZ DDR2-800 EL Gold. Old A7N8X Deluxe is getting flaky about recognizing SATA, so as long as I dont shut it down, I can wait a few more days. Yet I still return Clubit to watch the countdown.....

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: FreshCoyote
Clubit has 84 6600s left. Still trying to hold out for retail for the warranty. I already have a Zalman 9500led on the table along with my Asus P5W DH Deluxe with 801 bios chip, XFX 7900 GX2 Extreme, and 2Gb OCZ DDR2-800 EL Gold. Old A7N8X Deluxe is getting flaky about recognizing SATA, so as long as I dont shut it down, I can wait a few more days. Yet I still return Clubit to watch the countdown.....

Oh noes! 66 and slipping!

 

[Den]

64 and counting. I am sorely tempted, but I think I will be good and wait for shopblt and retail next week for $10 less.

 

[ichoglan]

Originally posted by: Henny

Originally posted by: josh1014
could someone recommend a good heatsink for me to go with an OEM e6700?

I don't think you'll find a better one then this:

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I suspect it'll steal the thrown from Tuniq Tower based on early data.

Interesting. What data are you referring to? And does this thing include paste? Cause this would be a convenient solution--the tuniq is impossible to find right now (at least for me).

And ya, Kwint is right that we should be a bit happier. But I don't think I'll really ease up until my clubit 6600 actually ships/makes it to me

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Den
64 and counting. I am sorely tempted, but I think I will be good and wait for shopblt and retail next week for $10 less.

Might be a little more than a week.

 

[Henny]

Originally posted by: ichoglan

Originally posted by: Henny

Originally posted by: josh1014
could someone recommend a good heatsink for me to go with an OEM e6700?

I don't think you'll find a better one then this:

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I suspect it'll steal the thrown from Tuniq Tower based on early data.

Interesting. What data are you referring to? Cause this would be a convenient solution--the tuniq is impossible to find right now (at least for me).

And ya, Kwint is right that we should be a bit happier. But I don't think I'll really ease up until my clubit 6600 actually ships/makes it to me

The data/reviews are in this thread:

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Draw your own conclusions but I predict Infinity will spank TT once some head to head reviews are done.

Here's some more reading:

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[Den]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Den
64 and counting. I am sorely tempted, but I think I will be good and wait for shopblt and retail next week for $10 less.

Might be a little more than a week.

It could be, you never know. shopblt has been very helpful and responsive to my email questions so far, but of course that does not guarantee they will get the processors when they have been told. And it's actually $40 less for me since I would have to pay Cali tax if I did the clubit deal.

 

[Some1ne]

Right now anyone can get virtually any speed Conroe from a number of reseller sources and in a number of countries

Who has *retail* versions of the E6600+ chips in stock and shipping? The availability of the OEM chips is quasi-acceptable, but doesn't really count.

It's simply extremely high demand and the first wave of supply in the channel.

No, the first wave of the retail E6600+ chips does not appear to be "in the channel" at all. That, or it was so small as to not even register on the radar screens. Given that the chips were nowhere to be found the day the embargo ended, that would imply they never entered the channel at all.

High demand makes sense, a 10% to 15% or maybe even 20% "cutting edge product" premium makes sense, places running out of their initial stock makes sense. These are all in-line with what is typically seen when a popular new product launches. However, places not even *having* any initial stock on the day of launch, or having no accurate or reasonable estimates of when there will be stock makes no sense, and are *not* part of a typical product launch. Yes, I'm only counting retail versions, no I don't think it makes any difference that it's possible to find an OEM variant. The launch covered both retail and OEM variants of the E6600+, but the retail ones are nowhere to be found. The fact that the OEM version can now, two and a half weeks after it was launched (the embargo never applied to OEM chips), be found in scant supply really doesn't count for anything in the face of the practically nonexistent retail versions.

 

[Eternalsin]

I pulled the trigger and bought from ClubIT.com for OEM, 359.99$ free shipping and handling and no tax. Thats a pretty good price if you ask me.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Some1ne
Who has *retail* versions of the E6600+ chips in stock and shipping? The availability of the OEM chips is quasi-acceptable, but doesn't really count.

Oh, right. Because 90% of the geeks here and on other tech forums have no plans to overclock or anything. They are going to need that stock HS/F and, of course, the shiny retail box.

Get over yourself. OEM or Retail, the chips are out there. Do you work for AMD?

 

[FreshCoyote]

I tried not to bite, but they are just sitting there at Clubit waiting to be picked off. 52 left and I should show 1 in stock on Friday.The Warranty was my only issue, but if it fries in 2 years it will only be a $100.00 cpu and I will be ready to buy an new AMDATI System. For those waiting for retail, watch Ewiz.com and Frys / Outpost.com.

 

[Mudokon]

yeah next week is my breaking point for retail c2d's, either e6600 or e6400, one of those chips is gonna get shipped to me, wether they like it or not!

 

[Anogar]

There were retail versions of the E6600s available, but they've sold out. More are shipping soon, supposedly on the 14th. Not a paper launch.

 

[Some1ne]

Oh, right. Because 90% of the geeks here and on other tech forums have no plans to overclock or anything. They are going to need that stock HS/F and, of course, the shiny retail box.

Get over yourself. OEM or Retail, the chips are out there. Do you work for AMD?

Nope, if I did I probably wouldn't be waiting to buy a Core 2. And really, what 90% of people plan to do or whether there's a preference for OEM vs. retail has no bearing on the fact that the launch of retail models was announced, and there aren't any. Do you work for Intel, or just like to complain when you see other people complaining?

 

[Nightmare225]

Thank god I got my Clubit OEM, now which heatsink to buy for overclocking...

 

[Henny]

Originally posted by: Some1ne

Right now anyone can get virtually any speed Conroe from a number of reseller sources and in a number of countries

Who has *retail* versions of the E6600+ chips in stock and shipping? The availability of the OEM chips is quasi-acceptable, but doesn't really count.

It's simply extremely high demand and the first wave of supply in the channel.

No, the first wave of the retail E6600+ chips does not appear to be "in the channel" at all. That, or it was so small as to not even register on the radar screens. Given that the chips were nowhere to be found the day the embargo ended, that would imply they never entered the channel at all.

High demand makes sense, a 10% to 15% or maybe even 20% "cutting edge product" premium makes sense, places running out of their initial stock makes sense. These are all in-line with what is typically seen when a popular new product launches. However, places not even *having* any initial stock on the day of launch, or having no accurate or reasonable estimates of when there will be stock makes no sense, and are *not* part of a typical product launch. Yes, I'm only counting retail versions, no I don't think it makes any difference that it's possible to find an OEM variant. The launch covered both retail and OEM variants of the E6600+, but the retail ones are nowhere to be found. The fact that the OEM version can now, two and a half weeks after it was launched (the embargo never applied to OEM chips), be found in scant supply really doesn't count for anything in the face of the practically nonexistent retail versions.

The retail E6600's were readily available at XPCGEAR and maybe others too. By now they're probably all sold and awaiting another shipment.

Out of 10 SKU's (OEM and Retail), the only one I didn't see this week was the Retail E6700. Maybe it was out there and I missed it. I could have hit the "Buy It Now" button on all the other 9 SKU's. (However the one I chose was the OEM E6600. I'm not a fan of the stock HSF and all I need is a 1 day DOA warranty. After that it'll be OC'd and lapped and any warranty coverage will go "poof".)

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Some1ne
Nope, if I did I probably wouldn't be waiting to buy a Core 2. And really, what 90% of people plan to do or whether there's a preference for OEM vs. retail has no bearing on the fact that the launch of retail models was announced, and there aren't any. Do you work for Intel, or just like to complain when you see other people complaining?

No, I just like to smack n00bs who spread FUD and make general fools of themselves.

 

[Some1ne]

the only one I didn't see this week was the Retail E6700.

That was the one chip that newegg *did* have (aside from the 6300 and 6400), for a couple of hours. They sold out at $600 apeice.