The Official E3 2014 thread

[cmdrdredd]

The rumor I heard was bungie wanted to build a new game but MS wanted halo all the time. When they had their chance they left MS and a small team stayed behind to keep working on Halo.

Just rumors.

 

[Lil Frier]

Hard to blame either team there, I suppose. Bungie wants more recognition beyond that franchise, but Microsoft wants to keep its money-making, console-selling franchise. Not sure why Microsoft wouldn't have moved Bungie to Destiny and just had a 343 team as well, if the alternative was losing the Bungie team entirely.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Creative differences are sometimes very hard to work out and if one aide feels slighted, you may never see eye to eye again.

 

[Topweasel]

Creative differences are sometimes very hard to work out and if one aide feels slighted, you may never see eye to eye again.

My biggest issue with Destiny is that it comes off as Halo the MMO. Seems silly to spend 1.25-1.5 Billion in separating from MS and in development of Destiny to make a Halo game without the backing and support of the Halo franchise.

I hope they got enough money from ODST and Reach to keep them afloat if Destiny bombs.

That's a lot of money to spend because they didn't see eye to eye.

 

[sze5003]

It looks like Halo but plays like borderlands. I think it's quite unique. Halo is fun and all but it hasn't changed a lot.

 

[cmdrdredd]

My biggest issue with Destiny is that it comes off as Halo the MMO. Seems silly to spend 1.25-1.5 Billion in separating from MS and in development of Destiny to make a Halo game without the backing and support of the Halo franchise.

I hope they got enough money from ODST and Reach to keep them afloat if Destiny bombs.

That's a lot of money to spend because they didn't see eye to eye.

Except...*gasp* it's not Halo. Wow...imagine that. Also Bungie is at least 10x times better than 343 at making games. That's a fact. Halo 4 was pretty bad. As a huge Halo fan, I think Destiny is better and more fun and I've only played an Alpha of it. That doesn't just happen.

That's like saying "you know, Titanfall looks like CoD. Seems dumb to separate from Activision and make CoD- The Mech Shooter". See how ridiculous that sounds?

Further, they are backed by Activision. They swim in money. Bungie isn't funding Destiny, Activision is. They invested $500,000,000 into the project.

 

[zerocool84]

Call of Duty has been getting exclusive stuff on Xbox or stuff earlier than other systems for a while. It works both ways, nothing wrong with it.

 

[Lil Frier]

Call of Duty has been getting exclusive stuff on Xbox or stuff earlier than other systems for a while. It works both ways, nothing wrong with it.

"I don't like it" != "It's wrong"

Ignoring that I haven't gotten anything on 360 exclusively because I don't buy DLC (and they just give a timed DLC release, not actual content), my point doesn't change. I don't like that they do it on Xbox One any more than the fact that they do it on PS4. The problem arises when I am expected to pay the same as a PS4 owner when I get less content. Heck, if it was like that Soul Caliber game (was it the second?) gave the 350 Yoda and the PS3 Vader or something. Different content (like changing pre-order stores) doesn't bother me too much, but LESS content does.

 

[futurefields]

My biggest issue with Destiny is that it comes off as Halo the MMO. Seems silly to spend 1.25-1.5 Billion in separating from MS and in development of Destiny to make a Halo game without the backing and support of the Halo franchise.

They don't need the Halo name. Fans these days are informed, everybody knows who Bungie is.

 

[Arkaign]

They don't need the Halo name. Fans these days are informed, everybody knows who Bungie is.

This is true. Given Halo 4 and 343i, Destiny actually may end up destroying the future of the 'Halo' brand name. With how retardedly awesome Destiny is shaping up, Halo5 needs to REALLY up their game or it will be a seriously declining franchise. It doesn't help that the XB1 is struggling mightily this gen. It's doing marginal in the US/UK, and is utterly hopeless everywhere else. The $399 SKU bumped them up a few spots on Gamestop/Amazon for about 36 hours, but now it's back to the nether regions of the charts while PS4 sticks in the top 10.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Arkaign]

Just as an update :

Amazon Current charting :

#1 : Mario Kart U
#2, #3, #4, #5 : PS Gift Cards
#6 : Persona Q for 3DS
#7 : Destiny PS4
#8 : Xbox $10 Card
#9 : PS4 Bare Console
#10 : Halo MCC
#11 : PS4 Destiny Console
#18 : Destiny XB1
#23 : Playstation TV
#39 : XB1 Bare Console
#43 : PS4 Camera
#51 : XB1 Titanfall Bundle
#59 : WiiU 32GB

And that's it for the list in terms of major hardware and notable software in the top 100. Anyone expecting $399 to turn the tide is in for a rude surprise when June's NPDs hit the streets.

I'm still puzzled as to why they didn't trumpet $399 at E3 and in an advertising blitz. Missed opportunity for sure.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I find it quite interesting to see #2-5 are PS Gift cards I wouldn't expect that. I understand Mario Kart and Persona Q occupying those top spots for now. The WiiU was hurting for games (still is IMO) but Mario Kart had a lot of hype surrounding it for fans clamoring for something new to play. Persona Q looks to be a fantastic JRPG and combined the rosters for two of the best JRPGs in the last decade IMO. I also think there is a bit of a drought for JRPG fans these days. I expect both of these titles though to taper off a bit moving forward.

As for the rest, when Destiny for PS4 is getting in the Top 10 at #7 and on XB1 it's #18 I can't help but wonder why. The game will be the same minus a few bonus content things that I don't think will affect the game significantly. Maybe it's that in the near future people are more hyped for that on PS4 and less so on XB1 because of the Halo Master Chief collection that is at #9 right now (I just checked). I find it odd that the PS4 has both a bare console and Destiny in the top 10 when they have a destiny bundle with a unique color (maybe people don't prefer white) that is also in the top 10. It's odd when you think about Halo selling well at #9 but hardware way down at #40 right now. I would expect the game to sell hardware too. Maybe it's a matter of Destiny not selling PS4 hardware itself but people buying PS4 anyway and Destiny selling itself so people can get in the beta. With so many PS4s out there maybe there's just that many people who want to try it.


The sales patterns are puzzling to me though. I was sure the Halo collection would bump the XB1 console sales, I was sure the $400 console would also bump sales more than it has. I too am wondering why they didn't make a spot about the new console pricing. "We had a vision with the XB1 and some of you questioned that vision. We listened and are now offering the XB1 without Kinect . We still feel the Kinect offers vast potential for immersion in games moving forward, but we are offering gamers a choice. You can buy the XB1 with Kinect for the original $499 pricepoint but if you want the console only, without the kinect experience we are offering that option for $399" I think that would have worked fine. I wonder if some people even know at this point that there is a $399 option without Kinect. If I were to guess I'd say that a lot of people who don't follow all the information on the Internet surrounding E3 and video games in general, don't know about this.

 

[Lil Frier]

Well, I think the Destiny gap is pretty simple: It's a volume sales figure, and there are more PS4 customers than One customers. That alone is going to create a gap. When you throw in the fact that there will be some jilted lovers in the form of Microsoft console owners who feel betrayed, it's pretty easy to see why a gap would arise in platform sales. Oh, and don't forget that (like you hinted at) some will skip Destiny because the Halo collection follows shortly after. Personally, I see no point in spending $60 on Destiny (let alone pre-ordering it) when a giant mass of Halo (4 games and a beta, plus the miniseries) will follow 2 months later. MY September buy will likely be Forza Horizon 2 instead, depending on what I see from The Crew (the hinted-at scale of that game is impressive, while FH2 has almost no information on that front).

I think many know about the $00 price point. They've been good at getting ads (particularly the Aaron Paul ones) out and about, and there are displays at most retail locations. I honestly can't say I'm surprised the sales haven't spiked though. All of the titles announced are 3+ months away, some even held until 2015, so there is nothing that sells a $400 One right now better than what hasn't really sold the $500 One so far. I'd expect the sales spike to come once Sunset Overdrive and Destiny and Halo: The Master Chief Collection (and, yes, CoD) all start rolling out, because buying a $00 One now will just mean a $00 dust collector until September or November.

 

[sze5003]

I don't think destiny will kill the halo name at all. Halo has been out for a very long time. I haven't been following halo much and haven't played more than the second one but I mainly played for the single player. Destiny plays more like borderlands and just has sci fi elements like halo.

It's funny because I never really got into borderlands but I'm enjoying destiny a lot. The vast environment is really detailed and interesting to explore. I wonder if in the retail version enemies will respawn like in the alpha.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I'll say it right now... Destiny is better than Halo. I love Halo and have said that many times on this forum. I think Destiny is many times better than remakes and re-releases of games I played a decade or more ago, even in Alpha/Demo form. I'm still buying the Halo collection but I already like Destiny a whole lot more.

It's really almost nothing like borderlands. Aside from some RPG elements and the fact that is an FPS with loot, it's really not the same game at all. It's bigger, with more of an open world, I already know it has a better story, it has better visuals, the gunplay is better, the AI is smarter and reacts better, and there's more to do in the hub city. It'll also have multiple locations on each planet to explore, each location is about as big as Borderland's entire map. That's a huge game world. You'll be able to go to different points on Earth, Mars, Mercury, Io(Jupiter moon), Earth's Moon and more. Borderlands is not in a massive online connected world, nor does it have a multiplayer PVP arena

 

[sze5003]

I really never seen an alpha like destiny so bug free and smooth. I'm suprised they did such a nice job but bungie makes good games but I was expecting lag, connection issues, random errors. I got none of that. I wonder if before the alpha is over I can create a third character as I've already leveled up the last two but I was wondering playing as a titan would be like. I think warlock is the easiest.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I really never seen an alpha like destiny so bug free and smooth. I'm suprised they did such a nice job but bungie makes good games but I was expecting lag, connection issues, random errors. I got none of that. I wonder if before the alpha is over I can create a third character as I've already leveled up the last two but I was wondering playing as a titan would be like. I think warlock is the easiest.

I play a titan and have no desire to try the other ones quite yet even though I'm lv8 because my skills continue to level. I like the flashbang grenade, helps a ton with the Hive Knights.

 

[sze5003]

I play a titan and have no desire to try the other ones quite yet even though I'm lv8 because my skills continue to level. I like the flashbang grenade, helps a ton with the Hive Knights.

The one before the warlock, forget the name has an annoying super charge..the golden gun but he has a neat throwing knife you can unlock. The warlock has a weak melee until you level it up but a good supercharge.

I wonder if our data will be carried over to the beta. I think if the retail version is on different databases and and servers then we may have to start over but I wouldn't mind.

The skills menu has so many features I haven't looked at it all. There is a lot to do in the map so far. I also played some domination online and it was fun. I couldn't see the enemies too well but you get the hang of it quickly.

The super powers are a bit overpowered but you have to be quick anyway. I haven't played battlefield hard line in all this time. I'm not sure if I'll buy that one honestly.

They need to make the movement like bf4 and graphics a bit better. I think after that I'll be able to play it smoothly without feeling weird about it.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Some of my weapons are leveling too. The green ones (uncommon) level after usage and give you bonuses, as do uncommon pieces or armor.

The Hunter is the one you mentioned. The titan has a melee attack that deals lightning damage and vaporizes most weaker or weakened enemies in one hit.

 

[sze5003]

Nice I think I'll create a titan character and play through with him also before it's over. The strike mission is really action packed too. It took my friend and I about three tries with another person to get it done.

 

[Lil Frier]

I'll say it right now... Destiny is better than Halo. I love Halo and have said that many times on this forum. I think Destiny is many times better than remakes and re-releases of games I played a decade or more ago, even in Alpha/Demo form. I'm still buying the Halo collection but I already like Destiny a whole lot more.

It's really almost nothing like borderlands. Aside from some RPG elements and the fact that is an FPS with loot, it's really not the same game at all. It's bigger, with more of an open world, I already know it has a better story, it has better visuals, the gunplay is better, the AI is smarter and reacts better, and there's more to do in the hub city. It'll also have multiple locations on each planet to explore, each location is about as big as Borderland's entire map. That's a huge game world. You'll be able to go to different points on Earth, Mars, Mercury, Io(Jupiter moon), Earth's Moon and more. Borderlands is not in a massive online connected world, nor does it have a multiplayer PVP arena

Did you ever try Defiance? I kind of felt that Destiny was a first-person version of that--the shooter MMO, but with traditional MMORPG elements added. It seemed to be like an MMO of Borderlands, with the talents and loot hunting, but with more of a Defiance-like setup, as far as being in a sci-fi environment and such.

I can't find out if Destiny is as good as (or better) than Halo (though I think I'd sentimentally reject that possibility anyway, I know my biases). They opted to not put the alpha on the One, and it didn't do enough for me in the showing to want to go buy it without trying it. Sunset Overdrive intrigued me more (I've become more solo-centric without people to play games with online early on this generation), and Forza is the known franchise I want to buy. Both launch around the same time.

Heck, on top of all of that, I admit my bitterness towards Bungie. I don't care that they left Microsoft, because wanting sales and freedom and recognition with the third-party option is understandable. However, I'm annoyed by the fact that I can't sign up for the alpha on the One, so it's turned me off to the game a bit. It's likely that if I get Destiny it will be used in 2015, once I've gotten through Halo thoroughly.

I'll certainly keep an eye on it, and maybe I'll rent it at launch (we actually have video rentals stores here, CRAZY!), but I just can't get on-board with a game whose developers are treating my console as a second-class citizen, while being locked out of trying the game.

 

[cmdrdredd]

You know the beta comes next month and it on all consoles. This is really a demo that they called a first look alpha because it is far too polished to be called Alpha. I've played some alpha games in the past and they weren't close to feeling as done as Destiny is now.

 

[sze5003]

You could just put 5 bucks down. Pre order for a beta code on your Xbox one. Register for the beta on the destiny site and try it out. If you dont like it then go and cancel your pre order.

 

[Topweasel]

Except...*gasp* it's not Halo. Wow...imagine that. Also Bungie is at least 10x times better than 343 at making games. That's a fact. Halo 4 was pretty bad. As a huge Halo fan, I think Destiny is better and more fun and I've only played an Alpha of it. That doesn't just happen.

That's like saying "you know, Titanfall looks like CoD. Seems dumb to separate from Activision and make CoD- The Mech Shooter". See how ridiculous that sounds?

Further, they are backed by Activision. They swim in money. Bungie isn't funding Destiny, Activision is. They invested $500,000,000 into the project.

Activision paid a but load for Distro rights for Bungie for like 10 years. But Bungie is still a standalone studio that paid out the nose to separate themselves from MS. So point being Activision won't be there to say well this title sucked but we trust you guys. If they were part of Activision like they were with MS, then maybe. It will still be up to them to keep themselves funded if Destiny bombs.

There is a lot more different with Titanfall and COD than Destiny vs. Halo. Art style, setting, combat all have very Halo like styles. Which is more core issue, when they announced the separation from MS, I was hoping to see what kind of interesting ideas or genres they were going to work with. Halo without Halo as an MMO disappoints me. May be a little bit because I wasn't a Halo fan to begin with.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Activision paid a but load for Distro rights for Bungie for like 10 years. But Bungie is still a standalone studio that paid out the nose to separate themselves from MS. So point being Activision won't be there to say well this title sucked but we trust you guys. If they were part of Activision like they were with MS, then maybe. It will still be up to them to keep themselves funded if Destiny bombs.

There is a lot more different with Titanfall and COD than Destiny vs. Halo. Art style, setting, combat all have very Halo like styles. Which is more core issue, when they announced the separation from MS, I was hoping to see what kind of interesting ideas or genres they were going to work with. Halo without Halo as an MMO disappoints me. May be a little bit because I wasn't a Halo fan to begin with.

So you're back to the argument that it's Halo...when it isn't.

The world is bigger, the maps are bigger, you actually create your character now, there are more weapon choices, you can change armor, you can upgrade weapons and armor, it has a different story and lore, it's an online connected world, you can co-op more than 2 players, you have powers to upgrade, the AI is better, the game has a monetary system for buying weapons and armor, the game isn't linear and you can choose how to spend your time in it. Yet because it's from Bungie, is an FPS, and has a sci-fi setting...it's Halo.