The Official iPhone 4 Thread

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TheWart

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Here are some relevant images from the Anand review for those with battery questions:





 

AMDZen

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Not sure if this was posted here already, but the Anandtech review of the iPhone is out and gives some very interesting info regarding the antenna issues: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review

Wow, this basically validates what I was saying in the other thread on the antenna issue per my own testing.

From my day of testing, I've determined that the iPhone 4 performs much better than the 3GS in situations where signal is very low, at -113 dB (1 bar). Previously, dropping this low all but guaranteed that calls would drop, fail to be placed, and data would no longer be transacted at all. I can honestly say that I've never held onto so many calls and data simultaneously on 1 bar at -113 dB as I have with the iPhone 4, so it's readily apparent that the new baseband hardware is much more sensitive compared to what was in the 3GS. The difference is that reception is massively better on the iPhone 4 in actual use.

With my bumper case on, I made it further into dead zones than ever before, and into marginal areas that would always drop calls without any problems at all. It's amazing really to experience the difference in sensitivity the iPhone 4 brings compared to the 3GS, and issues from holding the phone aside, reception is absolutely definitely improved. I felt like I was going places no iPhone had ever gone before. There's no doubt in my mind this iPhone gets the best cellular reception yet, even though measured signal is lower than the 3GS.


Conference call with three calls going at the same time, and transacting data, all at minimum signal. Impressive.

That brings me to the way that signal quality should really be reported - Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR). SNR is essentially a measure of how much of the signal is compromised by noise or interference. It's readily apparent that because the iPhone 4 works almost perfectly fine at -113 dB, it has much better sensitivity. The deciding factor for reporting the signal quality metric is then SNR, something Apple and other handset manufacturers will have to move to eventually instead of just power. In reality, reporting based on SNR makes a lot more sense, since I couldn't make calls drop driving around an entire day cupping the phone, despite being at -113 dB (1 bar) most of the time.

The drop in signal from holding the phone with your left hand arguably remains a problem. Changing the bars visualization may indeed help mask it, and to be fair the phone works fine all the way down to -113 dB, but it will persist - software updates can change physics as much as they can change hardware design. At the end of the day, Apple should add an insulative coating to the stainless steel band, or subsidize bumper cases. It's that simple.
 

Paperlantern

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Not useless at all. You get instant access to your most recently used apps. Like alt-tab on the computer, unless you find that useless as well.

Wow you really are a hater. Just sell your iPhone and get rid of it since the multitasking and everything is so useless.

On my old 3G that was upgraded to 4.0, they added an option to the general settings that let you control the behavior of double-clicking the home button. Since there was no multitasking on the 3G, they had options like going to your favorites screen, to the search screen, etc. I'm sad to see that's not available on the iP4. I'd much rather have double-clicking the home button go to my phone favorites rather than the multitasking bar.

Thank you peritusONE, I agree. Actually, double tapping a button, and cumbersomely flicking through screens of recently used apps does not even compare to the instant and fast use of alt tab... in addition, al tab shows actual, real, running programs in a true multitasking operating system. To compare it, this would be like double tapping say left alt, and having a box come up with all the programs id recently opened, running or not, basically just a big menu of shortcuts. You dont need to fix soemthing that isnt broken, i have a whole screen full of shortcuts to my apps, thats all the home screen is, a giant desktop full of shortcuts to my apps, i dont need another menu full of shortcuts. BUT AGAIN, thats just ME. I'd still much rather hit on favorites, or be able to pull up my camera quickly, thank you. Just my preference for THAT aspect of the OS. I am not Damning the whole device. If, this bar WAS a true ultitasking bar, and WOULD only show apps that WERE in fact running but in a suspended state BECAUSE they supported multitasking, that would insanely more useful.

I'm not a hater, i adore the iPhone, someone isn't allowed to hate on a feature of an OS? How many people before on these boards have griped about certain aspects of Windows 7, or MAC OSX when they get recent upgrades, arguing that those people should just sell their computer or Operating System based on that is absurd, so in general, that statement was completely absurd.

I probably wont use it, i find it faster to switch to a recently used app since i know where it is on the home screen, it takes less time for me to flip to it and tap it than to double tap home and hit it there. but that's just me. Take a chill guys, seriously, wow, someone finds a flaw in something that you find SO PERFECT and its off to war.

What do you use to clean your iPhone off with every night when you're done making love to it? Hmmm?

On a more serious note, the more recent of your posts had good info, thank you for the graphs and performance reviews.
 
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TheWart

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Be gone ye Apple shill!

The antenna was personally crafted by Jobs so that Apple could sell its $30 bumpers, and they are only now hiring antenna engineers to save face! lol
 

Kmax82

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Thank you peritusONE, I agree. Actually, double tapping a button, and cumbersomely flicking through screens of recently used apps does not even compare to the instant and fast use of alt tab... in addition, al tab shows actual, real, running programs in a true multitasking operating system. To compare it, this would be like double tapping say left alt, and having a box come up with all the programs id recently opened, running or not, basically just a big menu of shortcuts. You dont need to fix soemthing that isnt broken, i have a whole screen full of shortcuts to my apps, thats all the home screen is, a giant desktop full of shortcuts to my apps, i dont need another menu full of shortcuts. BUT AGAIN, thats just ME. I'd still much rather hit on favorites, or be able to pull up my camera quickly, thank you. Just my preference for THAT aspect of the OS. I am not Damning the whole device.

I'm not a hater, i adore the iPhone, someone isn't allowed to hate on a feature of an OS? How many people before on these boards have griped about certain aspects of Windows 7, or MAC OSX when they get recent upgrades, arguing that those people should just sell their computer or Operating System based on that is absurd, so in general, that statement was completely absurd.

I probably wont use it, i find it faster to switch to a recently used app since i know where it is on the home screen, it takes less time for me to flip to it and tap it than to double tap home and hit it there. but that's just me. Take a chill guys, seriously, wow, someone finds a flaw in something that you find SO PERFECT and its off to war.

What do you use to clean your iPhone off with every night when you're done making love to it? Hmmm?

On a more serious note, the more recent of your posts had good info, thank you for the graphs and performance reviews.

Yea, I hear ya. I actually like the double click, but wish they had made a triple click, or the ability to toggle between the two.. so if you don't want multitasking bar on double click, you could move it to triple and then setup double click to do the other normal stuff. I definitely don't like them taking away that feature.

Or, it'd be nice if you could customize the multitasking bar.. say maybe having a few favorite apps always be there, or have it auto go to the music controls while playing music, etc...

There are definitely improvements still to be made in notifications, and the way multitasking behaves on a system level. I like it, but it's far from perfect.
 

gorcorps

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Aw fuck... I just thought of an issue for me. If mutitasking bar is linked to a double tap, then I'll have to find a new easy way to launch the camera as that's what I used. That sucks =/
 

zylander

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Aw fuck... I just thought of an issue for me. If mutitasking bar is linked to a double tap, then I'll have to find a new easy way to launch the camera as that's what I used. That sucks =/

Ya, I miss having mine linked to favorites.
 

Zebo

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What's the consensus on the bumper improving reception?

There are 2 things I must have in a phone.
All day battery life - my TP2 is horrendous
Ability to talk far out where weak towers are since I'm on the lake a lot.
 

akshatp

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Wow. My phone which I ordered from apple on June 16th just shipped today, and will arrive on July 7th. (FedEx from China)

My buddy ordered his YESTERDAY online at att.com, and it got delivered today at lunch!

Shiiiiiit I should have just waited and ordered from att!
 
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Had my first facetime video call today with a friend from work. I was actually pretty impressed with how smoothly and quickly it worked. The video quality was definitely passable and ran like a champ over our wifi connections. Had absolutely no problems with getting it going. I got a tour of his apartment, which I've never been to, and he finally got a look at the new pool and deck I built in the backyard.

Overall, pretty nice. Will be even nicer when it's not so restricted and dependent on wifi.
 

InverseOfNeo

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Well I am not near the battery life that was listed...
Battery is at 9%
Usage 7 hrs 10 minutes
Standby 11 hrs 43 minutes
Call time 1 hr 38 miuntes
Data Sent: 4.8 MB
Received: 34.0 MB

Last night I did a clean install. Perhaps cycling the batter a few times will help.
 
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Well I am not near the battery life that was listed...
Battery is at 9%
Usage 7 hrs 10 minutes
Standby 11 hrs 43 minutes
Call time 1 hr 38 miuntes
Data Sent: 4.8 MB
Received: 34.0 MB

Last night I did a clean install. Perhaps cycling the batter a few times will help.

My first full day produced the following:

5 hours, 8 minutes of usage
1 day, 0 hours of standby

That was taking it off the charger yesterday morning at about 6:45am and the battery completely dieing at right about the same time this morning. I played around with the phone quite a bit yesterday during work though, so there was a ton of on/off cycles of the backlight. Most of the usage was playing games and admiring the screen, but I also downloaded a few new apps, updated a couple others, had wifi on for maybe 2-3 hours, tested out facetime for about a 15-minute call, and very little messaging/voice included.

Right before I went to bed last night, the battery was at 12%, and when I checked it again approximately 6 hours later when I woke up, it was at 2%. That was all standby time with mail checking every 15 minutes. I have no other notifications turned on.
 

Sentrosi2121

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I'm just wondering if I should go order it through AT&T or go to the store and pick one up.
 

bobdole369

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All I need to see to understand that folks are noobs by thinking that "holding it" is messing up the call by thinking they are actually touching the antenna:

http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/5pCNUTKIUwsjNipX.huge

Dunno if that has been posted or not, clearly shows the bottom antenna is not part of the case, but that the bottom bit is actually a groundplane. The black bits people think are the antennas are insulators, I suppose bridging the gap with the rest of the case changes the groundplane a bit, but thats not enough to screw up a signal.



Also look here for the main antennas. They are in the back part of the case:

http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/uSvaGasZUBorLXIC.huge

Those little strips are a dipole in the back center.
 
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Ka0t1x

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I got lucky and found an iPhone 4 at an AT&T reseller store. I really love this phone, much more so than my 3G.
 

pakotlar

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All I need to see to understand that folks are noobs by thinking that "holding it" is messing up the call by thinking they are actually touching the antenna:

http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/5pCNUTKIUwsjNipX.huge

Dunno if that has been posted or not, clearly shows the bottom antenna is not part of the case, but that the bottom bit is actually a groundplane. The black bits people think are the antennas are insulators, I suppose bridging the gap with the rest of the case changes the groundplane a bit, but thats not enough to screw up a signal.



Also look here for the main antennas. They are in the back part of the case:

http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/uSvaGasZUBorLXIC.huge

Those little strips are a dipole in the back center.

It was always known that the black strips are insulators, so I'm not sure that it was widely assumed otherwise. The major issue is how easy it is to bridge that gap. Also, the antennas need to be 1/4 of the wavelength they are meant to resonate with. When you grab the antenna, you are effectively increasing this length, and screwing with the antenna's effectiveness.
 

airdata

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I've had mine for about a week now and am loving it. I was eligible for an upgrade and came out +$4 after selling my old iphone 3g on craigslist.

The antenna deal has only effected me once or twice. Yesterday I was trying to check my email and it wouldn't load and then after trying to reload a few times I realized I was holding my phone incorrectly ( LOL ) and held it further up....

Then I watched my bars re-appear and my email loaded up ordered a speck HD case off ebay for $26 and front/back protective guard for $4
 

alevasseur14

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I just did a restore on Sunday night and my phone made it all the way until 2PM today. I'm really happy with that!
 

alevasseur14

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You'll be waiting a while then.

Hah! All this recall talk is really starting to annoy me. Use the phone! It works fine! Even when I was up north for the 4th, I had zero or one bar the whole time and made and received calls no problem. iPhone 4 has much better reception than my 3G ever did!
 

Patranus

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Looks like the antenna issue might be a Foxconn manufacturing defect as opposed to an Apple design flaw.
 
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