The Official iPhone 4 Thread

[ubercaffeinated]

I'm shocked he keeps using "dood" in multiple posts like it's cool or accepted English.

Anyway, I checked out a demo unit at a local at&t store yesterday. Out of all the new stuff this phone brings in from the 3GS, my most "anticipated" was the high-res screen, and it did not disappoint in the slightest. It makes my 3G screen look like complete shit now.

I will upgrade when I can walk into a store and buy one. The guy said they were expecting a line Tuesday morning for the next round of units, so I guess I'll be waiting a bit more. I'm definitely not going to stand in line.

i was born and raised in southern california. it's definitely "accepted" English here, but thanks for pointing out that i probably use it too much

 

[InverseOfNeo]

i was born and raised in southern california. it's definitely "accepted" English here, but thanks for pointing out that i probably use it too much

Yea... ummm no. Dude may be a bit more acceptable. But dood?? I can pull the same "born and raised" card as you and would never spell that word the way you are.

 

[zylander]

Yea... ummm no. Dude may be a bit more acceptable. But dood?? I can pull the same "born and raised" card as you and would never spell that word the way you are.

Yea...Im gonna have to go ahead and agree with you there.

 

[ManBearPig]

Let's play nice kiddies. Keep the topic on the iPhone 4 please...however controversial the use of the word dood may be.

 

[Paperlantern]

iPhone 3Gs running OS 4.0. No complaints so far except they really could have left out "multitasking", it... doesn't actually do anything except make you feel like you have to close shit out all the time, it's terrible. Overall though it does feel a little faster in e mail and in general. I like the wallpaper actually being wallpaper now instead of ONLY being on the lock screen. Threaded e mails are a plus. Though while using gmail, they really need to have the ability to Archive OR Delete, not just one or the other, I do both on a regular basis, keeping pertinent or important conversations in archive, and deleting garbage or stuff I won't ever need again, it's really frustrating to have the ability ot archive stuff, but not be able to use it. I'm perfectly fine with turning archive off and continuing to use delete to weed out the garbage form the phone, and archiving on a PC when I use one, but it REALLY needs to be able to do BOTH.

 

[Kmax82]

iPhone 3Gs running OS 4.0. No complaints so far except they really could have left out "multitasking", it... doesn't actually do anything except make you feel like you have to close shit out all the time, it's terrible. Overall though it does feel a little faster in e mail and in general. I like the wallpaper actually being wallpaper now instead of ONLY being on the lock screen. Threaded e mails are a plus. Though while using gmail, they really need to have the ability to Archive OR Delete, not just one or the other, I do both on a regular basis, keeping pertinent or important conversations in archive, and deleting garbage or stuff I won't ever need again, it's really frustrating to have the ability ot archive stuff, but not be able to use it. I'm perfectly fine with turning archive off and continuing to use delete to weed out the garbage form the phone, and archiving on a PC when I use one, but it REALLY needs to be able to do BOTH.

See response to the other thread. Apps have to be updated to use multitasking and most haven't, so at first you aren't going to be seeing a big change with most of your apps.

 

[Paperlantern]

See response to the other thread. Apps have to be updated to use multitasking and most haven't, so at first you aren't going to be seeing a big change with most of your apps.

Still doesnt change the fact that CURRENTLY, its terrible, tho I am looking forward to this being implemented in the apps. However, I hope it doesnt affect performance much, I cant imagine an OS that normally doesnt multitask suddenly doing so could be good for speed, but we'll see, if its done well it could be very useful. I am heading back over to the other thread now to check out the link you posted there.

 

[Kmax82]

Still doesnt change the fact that CURRENTLY, its terrible, tho I am looking forward to this being implemented in the apps. However, I hope it doesnt affect performance much, I cant imagine an OS that normally doesnt multitask suddenly doing so could be good for speed, but we'll see, if its done well it could be very useful. I am heading back over to the other thread now to check out the link you posted there.

Well, it doesn't make it terrible, just makes it unusable at the moment. The devs had months to get their apps working with multitasking, but they didn't. There are a few that work... All the native iOS 4 apps, Twitter for iPhone and more. They work just as I'd expect.. Super fast to load and easy to quickly switch back and forth between.

What I hate is how flawlessly it works for the apps that support it and how hideously slow it makes my phone feel now that the other apps don't function in this way.

 

[Paperlantern]

Well, it doesn't make it terrible, just makes it unusable at the moment. The devs had months to get their apps working with multitasking, but they didn't. There are a few that work... All the native iOS 4 apps, Twitter for iPhone and more. They work just as I'd expect.. Super fast to load and easy to quickly switch back and forth between.

What I hate is how flawlessly it works for the apps that support it and how hideously slow it makes my phone feel now that the other apps don't function in this way.

Well in my book, something that is unusable, can be considered terrible, but youre right, it does just need to be added to the vast majority of apps, and then things will improve with it. As it stands though, not making a lick of a difference in any capacity for 99.99% of apps, it rather sucks. Heh.

After reading the article, assuming what it says to be true, things being completely suspended, it shouldn't affect performance much at all.

 

[ManBearPig]

Guys, can any of you help me out please? My insurance is being a PITA; they want me to find them an "advertisement or document that shows what the retail price (of the iPhone 4) would be" so that they can insure it. They want the $599 price tag somewhere. Thanks a ton.

 

[AMDZen]

Well, it doesn't make it terrible, just makes it unusable at the moment. The devs had months to get their apps working with multitasking, but they didn't. There are a few that work... All the native iOS 4 apps, Twitter for iPhone and more. They work just as I'd expect.. Super fast to load and easy to quickly switch back and forth between.

What I hate is how flawlessly it works for the apps that support it and how hideously slow it makes my phone feel now that the other apps don't function in this way.

Are you kidding me? Even apps that don't support it load so fast its rediculous. Games load twice as fast as the 3GS so even if you have to wait its like blazing fast. And you know more and more apps will support it within a week or two and probably all of them within a month at most

 

[Kmax82]

Are you kidding me? Even apps that don't support it load so fast its rediculous. Games load twice as fast as the 3GS so even if you have to wait its like blazing fast. And you know more and more apps will support it within a week or two and probably all of them within a month at most

Well, I don't have the 4. Using it on my 3GS. So I definitely do notice when multitasking isn't enabled on the apps.

 

[Paperlantern]

Are you kidding me? Even apps that don't support it load so fast its rediculous. Games load twice as fast as the 3GS so even if you have to wait its like blazing fast. And you know more and more apps will support it within a week or two and probably all of them within a month at most

Same, no 4 here either, i'm only talking about the OS itself, not the new OS on the new phone, of course the new phone will be faster genius. I still have a 3Gs though, and no im not kidding you, there is NO difference for 99.99% of apps. If i launch them from the screen, or launch them again from the multitasking bar after having closed them previously, they still go through exactly the same startup, splash screens and all, there is ZERO difference, so I would appreciate a tone change there sir. I am also not in agreement with you that there will be any significant amount of apps completely OS4 and multitasking compatible after only "a week or two". i'm thinking more like three weeks or a month, maybe more. The two apps that i HAVE seen of my 80 some odd apps have only added OS4 compatability, they STILL start up the same way and do not appear to take advantage of "multitasking".

It is not to say i don't hope you are correct, i hope you are right and it is only a week or two to get the patches for the majority of apps. but I just dont think its a realistic hope unfortunately.

 

[Kmax82]

Paperlatern, try out Popcap's Plants vs Zombies, if you have it. That has had multitasking enabled.. and holy cow is it a difference. Literally one sec to resume your game vs almost 20 sec to load back up. So I definitely think this will be huge once all the apps have built it in.

 

[AMDZen]

Same, no 4 here either, i'm only talking about the OS itself, not the new OS on the new phone, of course the new phone will be faster genius. I still have a 3Gs though, and no im not kidding you, there is NO difference for 99.99% of apps. If i launch them from the screen, or launch them again from the multitasking bar after having closed them previously, they still go through exactly the same startup, splash screens and all, there is ZERO difference, so I would appreciate a tone change there sir. I am also not in agreement with you that there will be any significant amount of apps completely OS4 and multitasking compatible after only "a week or two". i'm thinking more like three weeks or a month, maybe more. The two apps that i HAVE seen of my 80 some odd apps have only added OS4 compatability, they STILL start up the same way and do not appear to take advantage of "multitasking".

It is not to say i don't hope you are correct, i hope you are right and it is only a week or two to get the patches for the majority of apps. but I just dont think its a realistic hope unfortunately.

It seems to me that you probably did the upgrade and not a restore. Its already been known that you should never upgrade an iPhone when a major release comes out but to back it up and restore it from scratch instead. This was the same thing when 3.0 came out, and people still running 2.1 and older did an upgrade instead. Even if you were on 3.1.3 you should have done a restore. If you haven't done this, go back and try it.

As has been already explained, the app has to support it too. Why would you be an early adopter of it and then cry about it? Every app will eventually support it which devs still support, some will get it done faster then others. This isn't something I am theorizing, its a fact. From what I've read its a fairly simple bit of code to add to any app, and there are numerous apps out already which support it. There is no reason why the apps which already support it will not be running quicker, but you seem to have a misconception that apps which show as "tested on iOS4" is the same thing as being multitasking capable, its not the same thing. They are saying it works on iOS4 without crashing or something, not that its optimized for multitasking

Go get angry birds, its $0.99 and a rediculously good game which supports multitasking

 

[JC86]

fwiw, beejive im just updated with iOS4 support and it makes a huge difference when i'm jumping in and out of convos and using other apps. Once launched, I can close it and relaunch it from the multitask bar or from its regular icon and i'm right back where I was . . . As a serial text/messaging user, it makes a difference. I do agree with you, however, that for the apps that its not enabled on, pretty pointless at this point.

 

[zylander]

Got my phone this morning. Volume buttons are fine and no yellow or brown spots on the screen. However I do have the antennae problem. During calls it does bother me because I dont hold my phone from the bottom, but sometimes when I am holding my phone, browsing a web page or using an app I hold the phone at the bottom and my signal cuts out. Pretty annoying.

 

[Paperlantern]

It seems to me that you probably did the upgrade and not a restore. Its already been known that you should never upgrade an iPhone when a major release comes out but to back it up and restore it from scratch instead. This was the same thing when 3.0 came out, and people still running 2.1 and older did an upgrade instead. Even if you were on 3.1.3 you should have done a restore. If you haven't done this, go back and try it.

As has been already explained, the app has to support it too. Why would you be an early adopter of it and then cry about it? Every app will eventually support it which devs still support, some will get it done faster then others. This isn't something I am theorizing, its a fact. From what I've read its a fairly simple bit of code to add to any app, and there are numerous apps out already which support it. There is no reason why the apps which already support it will not be running quicker, but you seem to have a misconception that apps which show as "tested on iOS4" is the same thing as being multitasking capable, its not the same thing. They are saying it works on iOS4 without crashing or something, not that its optimized for multitasking

Go get angry birds, its $0.99 and a rediculously good game which supports multitasking

You seem to have difficulty comprehending my post. GO back and read it again. I did not say i expected multitasking support when it says it gave support, i said "The two apps that i HAVE seen of my 80 some odd apps have only added OS4 compatability, they STILL start up the same way and do not appear to take advantage of "multitasking"." So no i do not have a misconception that OS4 compatability equals multitasking support.

Also, i am not CRYING about anything, i'm not complaining, i'm just stating that multitasking as it stands isn't all that great, and there is no difference right now in the vast majority off apps out there. It will take a little time to get them up and running, why would you attempt to contradict something i said when what you said is merely a reiteration. Youre saying it takes time to apply the multitasking patch, i know that, and thats what i said, though i said i think it will take longer than simply a week or two, but that i am still hopeful that it WILL only take a week or two.

Make sure you understand a post before you attempt to tear it down.

 

[blurredvision]

Despite the reception issues, I think I'll still drive by my local at&t store in the morning to maybe pick one up. I drive a street away from the store about 7am every morning, so I figure I'll take a look on my way in and see what's up. If there's any more than 10 people standing in line, then I'm just going to keep on. I'm hoping the tales of more people camping aren't true, seeing as to how they sold 1.7 million of the damn things already.

 

[zylander]

I wish you could chose which apps you want to background instead of every app that is opened automatically go into backgrounding. Having to close all these stupid apps all the time is annoying.

 

[TheWart]

I wish you could chose which apps you want to background instead of every app that is opened automatically go into backgrounding. Having to close all these stupid apps all the time is annoying.

You don't need to 'close' them. They are not using any system resources unless they are actually doing something.

 

[aphex]

You don't need to 'close' them. They are not using any system resources unless they are actually doing something.

Agreed. I don't think thats what's actually backgrounded from what I recall, just what you can pull up quickly from wherever you are.

 

[blurredvision]

You don't need to 'close' them. They are not using any system resources unless they are actually doing something.

Yeah, but once you use enough stuff, won't you have a shit ton of apps "open" on the multitasking bar? Seems like it'd be annoying to me, too.

 

[TheWart]

Yeah, but once you use enough stuff, won't you have a shit ton of apps "open" on the multitasking bar? Seems like it'd be annoying to me, too.

I thought it would be, but it hasn't bothered me one bit and I think it reflects a sort of flawed understanding of how multitasking works on the iPhone.

The bar that comes up with the double-click of the home button isn't the 'multitasking bar.' It is, rather, the quicklaunch bar. It just has your most recently used apps. *Every* app (if coded for it), uses multitasking. So if you launch something from the home screen, then hit the home button once, and launch something else, then hit the home button once again, and launch your original app, it will launch from its multitasking state.

It is not as if you need to do the double-click home button deal to somehow 'access' multitasking. It is actually a really slick implementation, and basically it is like all of the apps on my phone are now always loaded, yet they dont use any resources so my battery life is really, really, good.

 

[TheWart]

Oh yeah, I thought this was a very good -and thorough- review of the iPhone 4 for those still on the fence:

http://www.suntimes.com/technology/ihnatko/2444024,iphone4-ihnatko-review-apple-062810.article#