The Official iPhone 5 Thread (Liveblog links inside!)

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Considering almost every iPhone released with a GPU that stomps the competition, I think it'll be ok. The CPU is less powerful, but not by a huge margin. iOS is more GPU dependent anyway.

In what alternate reality did this happen?

iPhone 3G used Power VR MBX just like Nokia N95 wich was released years before it

iPhone 3GS used SGX 535, the Motorola Droid used SGX 530, the difference between them was far from "stomping"

iPhone 4 continued to use SGX 535 while Galaxy S used SGX 540 wich doubled the FLOPS at the same clock

It wasnt until iPhone 4S that Apple used a GPU that stomped the competition. If you think iPhone 5 will have a GPU that stomps the competition then im afraid you clearly dont understand Apples tick-tock strategy. There are 2 phones coming next month using Adreno 320 that is beating the iPad 3. Do you seriously expect iPhone 5 to do better GPU wise than iPad 3?

 

[grkM3]

In what alternate reality did this happen?

iPhone 3G used Power VR MBX just like Nokia N95 wich was released years before it

iPhone 3GS used SGX 535, the Motorola Droid used SGX 530, the difference between them was far from "stomping"

iPhone 4 continued to use SGX 535 while Galaxy S used SGX 540 wich doubled the FLOPS at the same clock

It wasnt until iPhone 4S that Apple used a GPU that stomped the competition. If you think iPhone 5 will have a GPU that stomps the competition then im afraid you clearly dont understand Apples tick-tock strategy. There are 2 phones coming next month using Adreno 320 that is beating the iPad 3. Do you seriously expect iPhone 5 to do better GPU wise than iPad 3?

Thank you!!! you just saved me 5 min about posting the same thing.

What will iphone 5 have that can beat the s4 pro quadcore chips that are going to smoke the gs3 that just came out in 3 months.

I think LG just launched its s4pro cell and I can bet my life it will out perform the iphone 5 all day

its on par with an ipad3 and I dont think apple is putting a quad gpu in the iphone 5

 

[MrX8503]

In what alternate reality did this happen?

iPhone 3G used Power VR MBX just like Nokia N95 wich was released years before it

iPhone 3GS used SGX 535, the Motorola Droid used SGX 530, the difference between them was far from "stomping"

iPhone 4 continued to use SGX 535 while Galaxy S used SGX 540 wich doubled the FLOPS at the same clock

It wasnt until iPhone 4S that Apple used a GPU that stomped the competition. If you think iPhone 5 will have a GPU that stomps the competition then im afraid you clearly dont understand Apples tick-tock strategy. There are 2 phones coming next month using Adreno 320 that is beating the iPad 3. Do you seriously expect iPhone 5 to do better GPU wise than iPad 3?

My mistake. It was more of the iPhone keeping pace and then stomping with the 4S. I believe this year is a chassis change with minimal hardware boost. The 5S or whatever they'll call it will have the hardware boost.

 

[dguy6789]

My mistake. It was more of the iPhone keeping pace and then stomping with the 4S. I believe this year is a chassis change with minimal hardware boost. The 5S or whatever they'll call it will have the hardware boost.

The 4S is actually less powerful than Android phones since February 2011 in everything but the GPU.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I think his point is that if any other company had released a phone with those specs, it would be called a midrange device and priced as such. What exactly is worth 600+ bucks? iOS6? 0.5 inch increase in screen size?

Yes we dont need uber specs. But by that logic we dont need the iPhone 5 either since the cheaper iPhone 4S works just aswell

High end or mid end it isn't about raw CPU performance. If you look at phones before the iPhone and touchscreen revolution, it was about what kind of camera they'd pack, FM radio? Wifi? screen size?

I think those things are still critical. I think from the 4 => 4s, having a bigger screen was more of an issue. Same with 4s => 5. CPU is only an issue if it's a bottleneck to using the phone.

 

[Oyeve]

High end or mid end it isn't about raw CPU performance. If you look at phones before the iPhone and touchscreen revolution, it was about what kind of camera they'd pack, FM radio? Wifi? screen size?

I think those things are still critical. I think from the 4 => 4s, having a bigger screen was more of an issue. Same with 4s => 5. CPU is only an issue if it's a bottleneck to using the phone.

Man, I wish I had FM on my sgs3. I do miss radio and pandora and others just arent as fun.

 

[TheStu]

Man, I wish I had FM on my sgs3. I do miss radio and pandora and others just arent as fun.

My HTC Surround had FM. Can't recall if that was mandated by MS or a feature that HTC added in to further push the whole 'music jambox thingy' aspect of the phone. I never actually used the FM mind you, but it had it.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Man, I wish I had FM on my sgs3. I do miss radio and pandora and others just arent as fun.

I blame the LTE radio... lol. I don't use FM much but I think it's nice to have.

 

[halik]

Hmm I will very likely switch from Gnexus to the new iphone (unless the features are completely horrid). I really couldn't care less for hardware specs, but android as of 4.02 still feels pieced together, bit laggy and just not as polished *. NFC works 2/10 times, google+ photo sync works 8/10 times and the 4g radio has a habit of dropping and reconnecting 30 seconds later.

All of that and the carrier-update-release model is just retarded.

Also the backup feature is laughable; I essentially had to reload everything when i got a replacement from Verizon.

* the date/time picker dialog box is a great example of how you can totally fuck up a UI element.

 

[Red Storm]

That and the backup feature is laughable; I essentially had to reload everything when i got a replacement from Verizon.

Are you talking about Verizon's backup thing or Google's? I never use Verizon's as the built in Android back up works quite well for me.

 

[zerocool84]

Are you talking about Verizon's backup thing or Google's? I never use Verizon's as the built in Android back up works quite well for me.

Yup backup has worked every time for me. Automatically had my wifi network passwords saved, started downloading all my apps, loaded all my calendar settings, contacts, etc even when I got a replacement phone a little over a month ago.

 

[halik]

Are you talking about Verizon's backup thing or Google's? I never use Verizon's as the built in Android back up works quite well for me.

Google "backup". What they really mean by backup is that your already exiting address book you've had in gmail for years now can be added on a new phone... and then you can go to the google store and download the apps you paid for before, one by one. And then you can set up all your icons, widgets, sounds.... all over again.

 

[cheezy321]

Hey guys, another iPhone thread turns into one about android. And its all the usual suspects doing it! What a surprise!

 

[Red Storm]

Google "backup". What they really mean by backup is that your already exiting address book you've had in gmail for years now can be added on a new phone... and then you can go to the google store and download the apps you paid for before, one by one. And then you can set up all your icons, widgets, sounds.... all over again.

No, if you let Google back up your settings it also downloads your apps, settings, wifi passwords, etc.

 

[Anubis]

No, if you let Google back up your settings it also downloads your apps, settings, wifi passwords, etc.

this, and TBH its actually annoying if you frequently rom your phone as it seems to stat pulling down aps before its even finished the setup, i normally dump it into airplane mode and restore from titanium because i don't want it to auto DL 50 aps that i paid for and no longer use

 

[Mopetar]

Hey guys, another iPhone thread turns into one about android. And its all the usual suspects doing it! What a surprise!

Eh, so what?

At this point it's just a matter of waiting as all the credible rumors have already been posted and discussed to death. Besides, it's not as though your post is on topic either. :sneaky:

Just be thankful the whole thread hasn't devolved into people taking potshots at each other like so many threads before it have.

All that said, I think I'm way more interested in the rumored mini iPad. It's kind of strange that there have been a lot of leaks related to the iPhone, including the shell, internal components, etc., but almost nothing similar for the alleged mini iPad.

Also, it's been a while since the last iPod refresh. New phone hardware (especially with a different screen size) seems like a prime reason to release a new iPod. However, there haven't been any part leaks of that either, at least not that I recall hearing about.

So why is it that it's only been iPhone parts that have been leaking?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

But the Android backup thing is useless (the checkmark from initial setup). All it does is restore your installed apps and a few settings. Usually I can apply those settings myself (ringtones). It's more app settings I'm concerned about and that gets preserved using Titanium Backup.

Thus Google's backup is quite useless. Oh I guess having wifi networks saved is nice but TB does that once again. As for address book and stuff those things are synced anyway, so it's not backed up. A true backup would also include call log and texts had Google wanted to do it right.

 

[ultimatebob]

I'm not sure what new features Apple will be showing up on the 12th, but we can be almost guaranteed that Samsung and Google will have a patent infringement lawsuit ready for half of them by the 13th

 

[Puddle Jumper]

My mistake. It was more of the iPhone keeping pace and then stomping with the 4S. I believe this year is a chassis change with minimal hardware boost. The 5S or whatever they'll call it will have the hardware boost.

The SGS stomped the 4 every bit as badly as the 4S stomped the SGS2.

Apple had a significant lead in GPU performance with the 4S when it launched but it's still a one time even and hardly part of a trend since the 4 was one of the least competitive iPhones on the gpu front.

 

[Robert Munch]

The SGS stomped the 4 every bit as badly as the 4S stomped the SGS2.

lol that's cute.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Well that didn't take long. Longer than I thought it would take though.

 

[exdeath]

Is it going to be anything more than a 4S with 3 more pixels in typical Apple incremental 1 up fashion?

I'm in the market for a new super phone this fall, I finally dropped my Droid X one too many times. Have my eyes on this HTC 5" 1080p device with the S4 Pro quad core and Adreno 320 GPU coming to Verizon. Supposedly the GPU benched almost double the SGS3 despite having twice the pixel count as well, so 4x more powerful?

I've been thinking about an iPhone because I seriously loathe Java for all it's lag and bloat, and Android = Java. Seriously, 30 MB for a damn hello world app? At this rate a basic hours, minutes, and seconds wrist watch is going to need a gig of ram soon and still lag behind a real clock.

Whatever I get needs to be a monumental improvement from my 2 year old X, not just another X with an additional lame 1 megapixel front camera and 2% higher screen resolution.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

The SGS stomped the 4 every bit as badly as the 4S stomped the SGS2.

Apple had a significant lead in GPU performance with the 4S when it launched but it's still a one time even and hardly part of a trend since the 4 was one of the least competitive iPhones on the gpu front.

ok all this stomping bs, how does it matter? do you all play 3d games so intense the iPhone 4 struggles? Or your SGS2 struggles?

I don't know but even accounting for people who game and play like Angry Birds I'm sure the phones do just fine. I have 9 pages of apps on my iPod Touch 4G and it does just fine.

Who cares that the Motorola Droid's GPU was better than the 3GS? It couldn't even load Google Maps without running out of memory after a long day of use...

Is it going to be anything more than a 4S with 3 more pixels in typical Apple incremental 1 up fashion?

I'm in the market for a new super phone this fall, I finally dropped my Droid X one too many times. Have my eyes on this HTC 5" 1080p device with the S4 Pro quad core and Adreno 320 GPU coming to Verizon. Supposedly the GPU benched almost double the SGS3 despite having twice the pixel count as well, so 4x more powerful?

I've been thinking about an iPhone because I seriously loathe Java for all it's lag and bloat, and Android = Java. Seriously, 30 MB for a damn hello world app? At this rate a basic hours, minutes, and seconds wrist watch is going to need a gig of ram soon and still lag behind a real clock.

Whatever I get needs to be a monumental improvement from my 2 year old X, not just another X with an additional lame 1 megapixel front camera and 2% higher screen resolution.

I think anything will be a huge step from your X. My Nexus S is just as fast with a faster GPU and I felt like it was night and day going to an SGS2. My gf's SGS3 flies compares to my SGS2.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

High end or mid end it isn't about raw CPU performance. If you look at phones before the iPhone and touchscreen revolution, it was about what kind of camera they'd pack, FM radio? Wifi? screen size?

I think those things are still critical. I think from the 4 => 4s, having a bigger screen was more of an issue. Same with 4s => 5. CPU is only an issue if it's a bottleneck to using the phone.

Sure i agree with that. However when you pay a premium price, you should get a full upgrade. And im not singling out Apple on this, plenty of Android OEMs are worse. Its like buying a flagship device with an 8 core CPU but then you find out they were too cheap to use Gorilla Glass and went with regular instead to save costs. I know your opinion is that iPad 1 is still good with 5.1 but i disagree, its far from iOS smooth now and Safari crashes constantly, one of the reasons is because Apple cheaped out on the RAM.

Your logic is that its pointless to have better specs today when they are not used anyway. My logic is that even if its pointless today, what about 18 months from now?

 

[halik]

But the Android backup thing is useless (the checkmark from initial setup). All it does is restore your installed apps and a few settings. Usually I can apply those settings myself (ringtones). It's more app settings I'm concerned about and that gets preserved using Titanium Backup.

Thus Google's backup is quite useless. Oh I guess having wifi networks saved is nice but TB does that once again. As for address book and stuff those things are synced anyway, so it's not backed up. A true backup would also include call log and texts had Google wanted to do it right.

^This. The app settings aren't preserved, texts are gone, widgets need to be reset etc.