The Official iPhone 5 Thread (Liveblog links inside!)

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Sure i agree with that. However when you pay a premium price, you should get a full upgrade. And im not singling out Apple on this, plenty of Android OEMs are worse. Its like buying a flagship device with an 8 core CPU but then you find out they were too cheap to use Gorilla Glass and went with regular instead to save costs. I know your opinion is that iPad 1 is still good with 5.1 but i disagree, its far from iOS smooth now and Safari crashes constantly, one of the reasons is because Apple cheaped out on the RAM.

Your logic is that its pointless to have better specs today when they are not used anyway. My logic is that even if its pointless today, what about 18 months from now?

The iPad 1 might be a blunder and it was pretty apparent by the time the iPad 2 was out. Now the iPad 3 is out, we're 1.5 years since the introduction of the iPad 2. The iPad 2 does just fine, and in fact very damn well. Meanwhile it's like if you didn't have quad core on Android you're really missing out.

I guess the question is what do you really need a quad or octa core for on a PC to do basic tasks? If you game heavily or do some crazy rendering I can see a purpose, but what more are you going to get out of your iPhone with a quad core CPU? Is the 60fps constant smoothness going to be turned into 120 fps? No. Android had this issue because it lagged in a lot of aspects and going from dual to quad made a huge difference.

People were like "wow that 1ghz is close to iOS smooth" and then said the same thing when dual core came out, and again when quad came out and then finally when JellyBean was released. So we were never really at iOS smoothness for the longest time. I guess that's why upgraded hardware mattered so much.

I do think we need improved hardware, but at the same time I don't think there should be some crazy race to the latest and greatest. While it'd be nice, I don't think it *should* ruin any phone if the OS is properly designed and optimized.

 

[Dominato3r]

Eh, so what?

At this point it's just a matter of waiting as all the credible rumors have already been posted and discussed to death. Besides, it's not as though your post is on topic either. :sneaky:

Just be thankful the whole thread hasn't devolved into people taking potshots at each other like so many threads before it have.

All that said, I think I'm way more interested in the rumored mini iPad. It's kind of strange that there have been a lot of leaks related to the iPhone, including the shell, internal components, etc., but almost nothing similar for the alleged mini iPad.

Also, it's been a while since the last iPod refresh. New phone hardware (especially with a different screen size) seems like a prime reason to release a new iPod. However, there haven't been any part leaks of that either, at least not that I recall hearing about.

So why is it that it's only been iPhone parts that have been leaking?

I wouldn't be surprised if there is no iPad Mini. Recall a couple of months back the rumors of an Apple branded television, which were all false despite every tech site reporting it

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is no iPad Mini. Recall a couple of months back the rumors of an Apple branded television, which were all false despite every tech site reporting it

I think Apple needs a mini to compete in the lower price setting.

$499 iPad 3
$399 iPad 2
$299 iPad Mini?
$199 iPod Touch?

I think people like that.

 

[buckshot24]

I disagree. I have iOS 5.1.1 on my first generation iPad and it runs just fine. Sure it doesn't run like an iPad3 but it performs just fine.

Hmm, I've got all generations so maybe I'm spoiled but when I use my first gen it just lags like crazy.

 

[ControlD]

Hmm, I've got all generations so maybe I'm spoiled but when I use my first gen it just lags like crazy.

The thing is, I always felt the iPad 1 was laggy as hell when it came to web browsing so maybe I went into 5.1.1 with tempered expectations. My iPad pretty much is a media consumption device. I use it for Netflix, ebooks, Amazon VOD, some browsing, and endless hours of Junk Jack. For those tasks the iPad 1 is plenty fast enough. I am curious to see how Baldur's Gate Enhanced runs on it. If that is too much for my iPad then I will happily upgrade to a newer model!

 

[buckshot24]

The thing is, I always felt the iPad 1 was laggy as hell when it came to web browsing so maybe I went into 5.1.1 with tempered expectations. My iPad pretty much is a media consumption device. I use it for Netflix, ebooks, Amazon VOD, some browsing, and endless hours of Junk Jack. For those tasks the iPad 1 is plenty fast enough. I am curious to see how Baldur's Gate Enhanced runs on it. If that is too much for my iPad then I will happily upgrade to a newer model!

Yeah, maybe it isn't ios 5.1 that causes the lag, I don't know.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is no iPad Mini. Recall a couple of months back the rumors of an Apple branded television, which were all false despite every tech site reporting it

It could go either way at this point. there's been a lot of chatter about it but I've only seen one spy pic so far which is suspicious since we've seen tons of ip5 pics.

 

[Eug]

There is definitely going to be an iPad mini. It's too big a market to ignore. And there have been several parts pics already for the iPad mini. We've seen the iPad mini dock assembly, and recently there was a supposed iPad mini shell pic leak.

Likely one reason there haven't been more is because the iPad mini probably will come out a lot later. However, I am still counting on a release before the Xmas holidays.

 

[slag]

Trying to get this back on Iphone 5 topic...

So from what I've seen, it has a new connector and is taller with more vertical screen size, but, I'm not sure if its wider.

I'm eligible for a new phone from Sprint and I'm trying to decide between this iphone 5 or a SGS3. I have a lot of current android apps and tether from time to time a few times a year at most, but would like the stability of IOS and have an ipad at home already.

 

[ControlD]

Trying to get this back on Iphone 5 topic...

So from what I've seen, it has a new connector and is taller with more vertical screen size, but, I'm not sure if its wider.

I'm eligible for a new phone from Sprint and I'm trying to decide between this iphone 5 or a SGS3. I have a lot of current android apps and tether from time to time a few times a year at most, but would like the stability of IOS and have an ipad at home already.

I am sort of in the same boat as I am somehow eligable for an upgrade through Verizon even though my 4S is less than a year old. My feeling is that if all I am gaining is a taller screen, which seems like an almost pointless upgrade, and I have to give up all of the various accessories to deal with a different dock connector then I will just stick with what I have. If however the phone gives me something really upgrade worthy (like 2X the battery life) then I will be tempted to make the switch.

In any case, I won't even consider an upgrade until an untethered jailbreak is available.

 

[Red Storm]

I am somewhat anxious about this launch because the iPhoners are finally going to jump on the LTE bandwagon. While I'm happy they finally get respectable speeds, I just hope the swarm of users doesn't have too big of a negative impact on performance/stability.

 

[Oyeve]

I am somewhat anxious about this launch because the iPhoners are finally going to jump on the LTE bandwagon. While I'm happy they finally get respectable speeds, I just hope the swarm of users doesn't have too big of a negative impact on performance/stability.

Hah! Verizon is gonna crawl in NYC! Hell, it pretty much crawls now!

 

[bearxor]

I am sort of in the same boat as I am somehow eligable for an upgrade through Verizon even though my 4S is less than a year old. My feeling is that if all I am gaining is a taller screen, which seems like an almost pointless upgrade, and I have to give up all of the various accessories to deal with a different dock connector then I will just stick with what I have. If however the phone gives me something really upgrade worthy (like 2X the battery life) then I will be tempted to make the switch.

In any case, I won't even consider an upgrade until an untethered jailbreak is available.

If you're going to be coming from a 4S, it's likely not going to be worth an upgrade. This will be a 4S+ or a 4GS, essentially. I picked up a 4S to replace my wife's 4 because I knew she would want some of the newer iOS 6 features, but wouldn't care about having a new phone. I'm probably going to pick up a new one. Would want to jailbreak it, but just for BiteSMS and 3G Unrestrictor.

 

[Skurge]

The iPad 1 might be a blunder and it was pretty apparent by the time the iPad 2 was out. Now the iPad 3 is out, we're 1.5 years since the introduction of the iPad 2. The iPad 2 does just fine, and in fact very damn well. Meanwhile it's like if you didn't have quad core on Android you're really missing out.

I guess the question is what do you really need a quad or octa core for on a PC to do basic tasks? If you game heavily or do some crazy rendering I can see a purpose, but what more are you going to get out of your iPhone with a quad core CPU? Is the 60fps constant smoothness going to be turned into 120 fps? No. Android had this issue because it lagged in a lot of aspects and going from dual to quad made a huge difference.

People were like "wow that 1ghz is close to iOS smooth" and then said the same thing when dual core came out, and again when quad came out and then finally when JellyBean was released. So we were never really at iOS smoothness for the longest time. I guess that's why upgraded hardware mattered so much.

I do think we need improved hardware, but at the same time I don't think there should be some crazy race to the latest and greatest. While it'd be nice, I don't think it *should* ruin any phone if the OS is properly designed and optimized.

SGS on 2.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHXuPHztISQ&feature=player_embedded#!

SGS2 on 2.3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkZiHzalUQU&feature=player_embedded#!

SGS3 on 4.0.4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzDwxpFgoDg&feature=player_embedded#!

SGS3 on 4.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFG3BEfKdSg&feature=player_embedded#!

Gnex on 4.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex1irokhuMA&feature=player_embedded#!

The SGS and SGS2 are pretty smooth so to me it seems like android has become progressively more demanding and the single core phones were smooth on older versions of Android. the SGS3 just looks like it has motion blur added to the UI and just has apps open faster rather then being smoother.

 

[Phokus]

SGS on 2.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHXuPHztISQ&feature=player_embedded#!

SGS2 on 2.3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkZiHzalUQU&feature=player_embedded#!

SGS3 on 4.0.4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzDwxpFgoDg&feature=player_embedded#!

SGS3 on 4.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFG3BEfKdSg&feature=player_embedded#!

Gnex on 4.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex1irokhuMA&feature=player_embedded#!

The SGS and SGS2 are pretty smooth so to me it seems like android has become progressively more demanding and the single core phones were smooth on older versions of Android. the SGS3 just looks like it has motion blur added to the UI and just has apps open faster rather then being smoother.

They removed s-voice from the JB version of the SGS3? I'm going to get one, awesome

 

[WelshBloke]

They removed s-voice from the JB version of the SGS3? I'm going to get one, awesome

I removed it from my ICS version as well.

 

[MrX8503]

The SGS and SGS2 are pretty smooth so to me it seems like android has become progressively more demanding and the single core phones were smooth on older versions of Android. the SGS3 just looks like it has motion blur added to the UI and just has apps open faster rather then being smoother.

If it ain't on JB, it's not smooth. This was Android's biggest fault, that and the UI being ugly.

Luckily JB has fixed pretty much both. Halo theme looks a lot better, but could still use some work.

 

[Dominato3r]

If it ain't on JB, it's not smooth. This was Android's biggest fault, that and the UI being ugly.

Luckily JB has fixed pretty much both. Halo theme looks a lot better, but could still use some work.

JB is broken. While Google's competitors are trying to make software efficient and lean, Google adds bloat and features not needed for phones that can't handle them. I got an OTA for JB on my Nexus S, and it has made my phone un-usable. Google sent the update, so they must have expected it to be a good experience - it's anything but.

 

[kaerflog]

SGS on 2.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHXuPHztISQ&feature=player_embedded#!

SGS2 on 2.3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkZiHzalUQU&feature=player_embedded#!

SGS3 on 4.0.4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzDwxpFgoDg&feature=player_embedded#!

SGS3 on 4.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFG3BEfKdSg&feature=player_embedded#!

Gnex on 4.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex1irokhuMA&feature=player_embedded#!

The SGS and SGS2 are pretty smooth so to me it seems like android has become progressively more demanding and the single core phones were smooth on older versions of Android. the SGS3 just looks like it has motion blur added to the UI and just has apps open faster rather then being smoother.

The video for the original GS1 looks good but thats far from the truth.
I used a Vibrant with a custom ROM for a while and that phone was a lag fest.
The worst was when I'm texting and it lagged like crazy.
I wanted to throw the phone away at times.
The GS2 for Tmo was decent.
Not until I got a One S that I can finally say the smoothness is at the level os iOS.
I also recently got my hand on a SG2 from ATT that uses the Exynos soc and that phone was definitely smoother than my Tmo SG2.

 

[Skurge]

The video for the original GS1 looks good but thats far from the truth.
I used a Vibrant with a custom ROM for a while and that phone was a lag fest.
The worst was when I'm texting and it lagged like crazy.
I wanted to throw the phone away at times.
The GS2 for Tmo was decent.
Not until I got a One S that I can finally say the smoothness is at the level os iOS.
I also recently got my hand on a SG2 from ATT that uses the Exynos soc and that phone was definitely smoother than my Tmo SG2.

I can't say much for the carrier specific phones. But the international versions were that smooth. I had an SGS before my Gnex. 4.0.2 that the Gnex was on out of the box was horrific. 4.0.4 was much better. The only thing was multitasking was impossible on less 1GB of ram.

 

[Red Storm]

and the UI being ugly.

That may be your opinion, but I think even Froyo/Gingerbread era Android looked better than iOS. The wall o' icons has been around since the original iPhone, no innovation on that front.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

JB is broken. While Google's competitors are trying to make software efficient and lean, Google adds bloat and features not needed for phones that can't handle them. I got an OTA for JB on my Nexus S, and it has made my phone un-usable. Google sent the update, so they must have expected it to be a good experience - it's anything but.

JB is pretty fast on the Nexus S. Not fully smooth like a GNex, but still decent.

I don't think Apple's making their software efficient and lean. The 3G bogged down with iOS4, and the 3GS shows age with iOS5. I expect requirements to go up. It should take advantage of better hardware, but it shouldn't be jumping faster than hardware. Furthermore, low and mid range phones *should* be able to run the phone fine. So it seems the 3GS can run iOS5 ok, but a single core Android phone feels like crap.

That may be your opinion, but I think even Froyo/Gingerbread era Android looked better than iOS. The wall o' icons has been around since the original iPhone, no innovation on that front.

Sure it's just a wall of icons but even things like the settings menu in apps and the OS itself looks polished. I disagree and think Froyo and Gingerbread look butt ugly. There's plenty of Android apps out there that look like ass and look like crudely made programs too. ICS is solid and a decent competitor. Thank goodness someone woke up in the UI department.

 

[deathBOB]

That may be your opinion, but I think even Froyo/Gingerbread era Android looked better than iOS. The wall o' icons has been around since the original iPhone, no innovation on that front.

I don't know how anyone could make this statement with a straight face. ICS? Looks great. Pre-ICS? Blah

 

[foghorn67]

JB is pretty fast on the Nexus S. Not fully smooth like a GNex, but still decent.

I don't think Apple's making their software efficient and lean. The 3G bogged down with iOS4, and the 3GS shows age with iOS5. I expect requirements to go up. It should take advantage of better hardware, but it shouldn't be jumping faster than hardware. Furthermore, low and mid range phones *should* be able to run the phone fine. So it seems the 3GS can run iOS5 ok, but a single core Android phone feels like crap.




Sure it's just a wall of icons but even things like the settings menu in apps and the OS itself looks polished. I disagree and think Froyo and Gingerbread look butt ugly. There's plenty of Android apps out there that look like ass and look like crudely made programs too. ICS is solid and a decent competitor. Thank goodness someone woke up in the UI department.

iOS 5 made my non-s 4 a bit slow sometimes.

 

[dguy6789]

First gen iPad became noticeably slower with each OS transition from 3 to 4 to 5.