The Official iPhone 5 Thread

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Rottie

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iPhone 5 is nice but I will stick with iPhone 4s until iPhone 5s/6 next year.
 

Rottie

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How come Apple is not ready for Quad-core cpu? Almost smartphones out there already have Quad-ccore cpu.
 

BD2003

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How come Apple is not ready for Quad-core cpu? Almost smartphones out there already have Quad-ccore cpu.

It's kind of a spare no expense device, so if they felt they needed it, I'm sure it'd have it. Neither my 4S or my iPad 3 feel like they're being held back by a last gen dual core, so if they can double that with a next gen dual core chip like they claim, it's still a significant upgrade, quad core or not.

It's not a gaming rig, I'm not running 3dmark or anything. If its more than fast enough to do what I need it to, single, dual, quad, hex....doesn't matter.
 

krumme

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I am no apple fan, but think the ip5 is a very nice upgrade.

The ip4 was heavy. It was a brick. Why on earth it wasnt slammed to the ground for it is beyound my imagination. If any - ANY - android phone was going to the market with 140g and a 3.5 screen everybody would laugh - even if the design was super nice.

The IP4 was a record fragile phone. Why on earth you can design a phone using the two most idiotic materials for it, i dont understand. Again if samsung designed something that was so fragile everyone would laugh. Even the fans. Only THE major brand can do it, and turn it into an advantage saying it was because of the design. The ip5 shows it was pure bs.

IP5 is lighter, slimmer and will be solid. Thats major improvement in my book, that makes it competitor on objective terms with other phone with the same size like fx. sgs2. And the phone looks really nice and will have super sharp screen.

If it have the a15 fine, if it have 1.6Ghz A9 with 32nm powergated cores fine. The phone will be plenty fast.

But i think people just want bigger screens today for the simple fact that most people use their phone different from 5 years ago and surf a lot using the phone. One sign of that is fx. the data usage is exploding. Its a solid sign that the phone is used differently. We even see a huge market for fx. the note. I think apple will have to change their strategy for the next ip6, and diverse the product line.
 
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MrX8503

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The 5 is so non-compelling that I'm looking to go to a SG3. With all of the money and resources that Apple has, this is the best they could come out? I'm even more disappointed with iOS6.

I don't understand what people expect. The iPhone 5 uses next gen ARM15 SoC, the first smartphone to do so.

How come Apple is not ready for Quad-core cpu? Almost smartphones out there already have Quad-ccore cpu.

Because its a next gen ARM15. Everyone else is on quad ARM9. Apple beat everyone to the punch in implementing ARM's newest SoC.
 
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krumme

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I don't understand what people expect. The iPhone 5 uses next gen ARM15 SoC, the first smartphone to do so.



Because its a next gen ARM15. Everyone else is on quad ARM9. Apple beat everyone to the punch in implementing ARM's newest SoC.


The first time i saw pictures of the ip5 i thought that i looked at the new ipod, and thought it was a cute music player. Then i realized it was the phone - lol. I still think its cute, i just dont think its going to cut it any more. And frankly who cares if its a15? what argument is that? its a nerd android argument.

Ofcourse this phone will sell like hotcakes. What ever Apply would have produced the result would have been more or less the same also because the software base is known. But its going to hurt on the long run. Now they changed the form factor, next time its size. But they should have done that this time.
 

MrX8503

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The first time i saw pictures of the ip5 i thought that i looked at the new ipod, and thought it was a cute music player. Then i realized it was the phone - lol. I still think its cute, i just dont think its going to cut it any more. And frankly who cares if its a15? what argument is that? its a nerd android argument.

So you think it's cute and that no one cares about the ARM15 soc.

Riggghhht......
 

ViRGE

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How come Apple is not ready for Quad-core cpu? Almost smartphones out there already have Quad-ccore cpu.
It's still fairly unusual to see quad core phones, and for good reason. There are distinct tradeoffs in terms of performance, die size (cost), and power consumption when you use a quad core over a dual core. Meanwhile the benefit of a quad core is mostly lost on such a device since it's a unitasker, as most programs do not have workloads that can properly utilize that many cores.

Spec-wise a quad core processor looks good, but what little performance you're getting would not be worth the higher power consumption. This is an especially apt comparison when we're talking about next-gen architectures (A15, Krait, etc) compared to A9, since those dual cores are already as fast as a quad core A9 in some tasks.

Anyhow, a quad core processor is a much better fit for a tablet (though whether it's necessary even there is debatable) since you get to pair it with a much larger battery, which helps to mitigate the power requirements.
 

Tom

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with the 4 being free, 4s for $100, and 5 for $200, it will be interesting which direction Apple's US market share goes.
 

JackBurton

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I am no apple fan, but think the ip5 is a very nice upgrade.

The ip4 was heavy. It was a brick. Why on earth it wasnt slammed to the ground for it is beyound my imagination. If any - ANY - android phone was going to the market with 140g and a 3.5 screen everybody would laugh - even if the design was super nice.

The IP4 was a record fragile phone. Why on earth you can design a phone using the two most idiotic materials for it, i dont understand. Again if samsung designed something that was so fragile everyone would laugh. Even the fans. Only THE major brand can do it, and turn it into an advantage saying it was because of the design. The ip5 shows it was pure bs.

IP5 is lighter, slimmer and will be solid. Thats major improvement in my book, that makes it competitor on objective terms with other phone with the same size like fx. sgs2. And the phone looks really nice and will have super sharp screen.

If it have the a15 fine, if it have 1.6Ghz A9 with 32nm powergated cores fine. The phone will be plenty fast.

But i think people just want bigger screens today for the simple fact that most people use their phone different from 5 years ago and surf a lot using the phone. One sign of that is fx. the data usage is exploding. Its a solid sign that the phone is used differently. We even see a huge market for fx. the note. I think apple will have to change their strategy for the next ip6, and diverse the product line.

No they don't. I actually am not too excited that the new iPhone 5 has a larger screen. I want a freakin' PHONE not a f**king tablet that I hold up to my ear. The iPhone 4/4S was a perfect size IMO. The iPhone 5 is a little bigger so I'm ok with it, but no way do I want to carry around a big f**king phone with me. If I wanted a larger screen, I'll use an iPad not a PHONE. Maybe the next Samsung Galaxy phone will have a 10" screen so all the geeks will say, "Oooooo see how much better the Android phones are. They're much bigger than the little iPhones....which means they are better."
 

eelw

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with the 4 being free, 4s for $100, and 5 for $200, it will be interesting which direction Apple's US market share goes.

Doubt there will be a huge shift in market share. But Apple will still hold the top 3 device sales though.
 

TheStu

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No they don't. I actually am not too excited that the new iPhone 5 has a larger screen. I want a freakin' PHONE not a f**king tablet that I hold up to my ear. The iPhone 4/4S was a perfect size IMO. The iPhone 5 is a little bigger so I'm ok with it, but no way do I want to carry around a big f**king phone with me. If I wanted a larger screen, I'll use an iPad not a PHONE. Maybe the next Samsung Galaxy phone will have a 10" screen so all the geeks will say, "Oooooo see how much better the Android phones are. They're much bigger than the little iPhones....which means they are better."

I say that somewhere between 3.5-4" is about the sweet spot. My Surround had a 3.7 or 3.8" display and that was just as comfortable as the iPhone, without wandering into absurdly large territory. Unfortunately, at the rate that the market is going, my next phone will either be another iPhone (I suppose) or an older WP7 device like the Lumia 800.
 

krumme

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So you think it's cute and that no one cares about the ARM15 soc.

Riggghhht......


ROLF.

Yeaa its a cute littlle children phone. And have a little cute improved Av7 variant. You might be disapointed, but you will have to wait for the next android to have the real powerfull 15 stuff if you need a real powerhouse or just buy a sgs3 or whatever just not Apple.

Spin the v7 all you want. Haha
 

krumme

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No they don't. I actually am not too excited that the new iPhone 5 has a larger screen. I want a freakin' PHONE not a f**king tablet that I hold up to my ear. The iPhone 4/4S was a perfect size IMO. The iPhone 5 is a little bigger so I'm ok with it, but no way do I want to carry around a big f**king phone with me. If I wanted a larger screen, I'll use an iPad not a PHONE. Maybe the next Samsung Galaxy phone will have a 10" screen so all the geeks will say, "Oooooo see how much better the Android phones are. They're much bigger than the little iPhones....which means they are better."

Thats what all survey shows.

But dont worry, you would have bought even it if it was 4.3. Apple defines what you are ok with. You say the ip4 was perfect, so you are okey with 140g in your pocket?
 

Aikouka

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6292/iphone-5-a6-not-a15-custom-core

I want a freakin' PHONE not a f**king tablet that I hold up to my ear.

I don't own one, but I tried holding a few larger Android phones in my hand yesterday for fun. They do really fill up my hand, and I have pretty big hands. That may cause a problem for people with smaller hands that want to hold it with one hand. I don't think it would be an issue with holding it in landscape mode though.

Apple could release more than one phone, and have them be in different sizes. Although, that may introduce more resolutions if Apple still would try and keep them with such high pixel densities. One of the benefits of the Apple phones from a developer standpoint is that they're pretty good at keeping things relatively the same, and when they do change, they make it easier to work with. For example, the new iPhone 5 will play any normal iPhone app with black bars (i.e. no crazy stretching), and that's because they increased one dimension.

It's still fairly unusual to see quad core phones, and for good reason. There are distinct tradeoffs in terms of performance, die size (cost), and power consumption when you use a quad core over a dual core. Meanwhile the benefit of a quad core is mostly lost on such a device since it's a unitasker, as most programs do not have workloads that can properly utilize that many cores.

I agree with you here. iOS devices really don't need more than two cores... especially with iOS's multitasking implementation. However, I've always thought that at least two cores felt the most responsive. I remember the release of the Athlon 64 X2, and the difference between that and my Athlon 64 was amazing.

I like that since the iPhone 4's lackluster GPU, Apple has been keeping the GPU performance up with each device.

Anyhow, a quad core processor is a much better fit for a tablet (though whether it's necessary even there is debatable) since you get to pair it with a much larger battery, which helps to mitigate the power requirements.

I really don't think it necessarily does a lot for tablets either. At least in regard to iOS, the software may differ between device types, but tablets don't operate much differently in the background than the phones do.
 

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The iPhone 5's A6 SoC: Not A15 or A9, a Custom Apple Core Instead

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6292/iphone-5-a6-not-a15-custom-core

Wow. I wonder what it actually is. Wish Apple would provide more details. They have hired a lot of design talent in the past couple of years. It will be interesting to see the performance levels that the A6 will reach.


I really don't think it necessarily does a lot for tablets either. At least in regard to iOS, the software may differ between device types, but tablets don't operate much differently in the background than the phones do.

Yeah, I really don't think that most software is even remotely up to requiring quad-core. Tablets simply aren't there yet. I have a quad i7 in my MBP, and I would consider it overkill were it not for the fact that I am running a Windows 7 VM most of the time, to which I have 3 out of 8 cores dedicated (8 because of hyperthreading), leaving OSX to work with 5.
 
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JackBurton

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Thats what all survey shows.

But dont worry, you would have bought even it if it was 4.3. Apple defines what you are ok with. You say the ip4 was perfect, so you are okey with 140g in your pocket?

It's not the weight I have an issue with, it is the size (bulk) that is an issue. If an iPad weighed 1g, HTF is that going to help with it fitting in my pocket? It's too big and bulky. IMO, a phone should only be so big for portability. And a big freakin' Samsung Galaxy S III is WAY too big for a phone IMO. Again, I want a phone not a tablet.
 

BD2003

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I honestly couldn't care less about size and weight at this point. Even the original iPhone was small and light enough that it was easy to pocket and to hold. I also wish they would just give up on the glass and metal and just rubberize the casing, so I don't have to use a case with it. The design of anything but the front is literally irrelevant as long as they keep building a phone so fragile that you need to be either rich or stupid to use it without a case. Every single person I knew that tried to go caseless ended up with shattered glass and a huge repair bill. Accidents happen to everyone.
 

MrX8503

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ROLF.

Yeaa its a cute littlle children phone. And have a little cute improved Av7 variant. You might be disapointed, but you will have to wait for the next android to have the real powerfull 15 stuff if you need a real powerhouse or just buy a sgs3 or whatever just not Apple.

Spin the v7 all you want. Haha

Aren't toys for kids made of plastic. What's the SGS3 made of?

ROLF

I honestly couldn't care less about size and weight at this point. Even the original iPhone was small and light enough that it was easy to pocket and to hold. I also wish they would just give up on the glass and metal and just rubberize the casing, so I don't have to use a case with it. The design of anything but the front is literally irrelevant as long as they keep building a phone so fragile that you need to be either rich or stupid to use it without a case. Every single person I knew that tried to go caseless ended up with shattered glass and a huge repair bill. Accidents happen to everyone.

Every iPhone comes with 1yr apple care free. Shatter your phone they'll fix it free.

I have the original iPhone 4 for over 2 yrs now and went caseless. Haven't shatter my phone yet, guess I'm lucky.
 
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sportage

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You guys are hilarious. Keep on complaining about how Apple is failing while the preorders sell out like mad. And the screen size was exactly what was expected - what crack are you smoking?

They say pre orders are selling out. Whatever....

But the 16x9 screen is a HUGE fail for me.
I just looked at the HTC-one offered me as upgrade by ATT and that too is the 16x9 screen.
I can not see the deal with keeping the thin screen width while stretching the screen length.
Soon these 16x9 phones will look like an old fashion handset on the 1950 dial phones, except flat.
Who wants a long phone out of proportion to its width? Not me.

Now the HTC Titanium has a 4.7 screen that looks more acceptable.
And has a much better camera.
And the Samsung's 5.5" screen is more like something between a phone and a pad.

But since neither supports iTunes, I'll happily stick with my 4S iPhone.
I also have tried so many android products, and I prefer my media life organized, not willie nillie.

As to smoking anything.. I bet I've had/used/owned a more complete line of Apple products than YOU.
So I have a legit opinion as to the smart vs the not so smart when it comes to apple R&D.
Jumping on something new only for the sake of it being new sounds like some drug induced affliction to me.

My suggestion... those with the iPhone 4s should stick with their 4s.
If your coming from the 4, or 3g, then yes, you probably will want the 5.

PS. The 4s is still a damn good phone.
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Eug

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^^^ I agree but then again the 4S has a pretty good resale value on ebay , or at least so says my friend who is going from 4S to 5.

P.S. The 5 has 1 GB RAM. Finally.
 
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Every iPhone comes with 1yr apple care free. Shatter your phone they'll fix it free.
No need to lie, especially when the truth is so easy to find on Apple's own website: http://store.apple.com/us/product/AP...are-for-iphone

Every iPhone comes with one year of hardware repair coverage and 90 days of telephone technical support. AppleCare+ for iPhone extends repair coverage and technical support to two years from the original purchase date of your iPhone and adds coverage for up to two incidents of accidental damage due to handling, each subject to a $49 service fee plus applicable tax.
Apple has NEVER offered standard accidental damage warranty coverage on any of their products. A broken screen on an iPhone costs $99 upfront for AppleCare+, and a $49 service fee for the accidental damage repair.
 
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