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Kaido

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My impressions so far, after spending an evening with the iPhone 5: (I'll be critical here)

1. I am getting a weird chromatic aberration in my photos. It's more of a chromatic flare. It's not all the time, and it's not at all angles, but a handful of my photos have it. Happens in both daylight and at nighttime. Sample photo, look at the lower right:

https://twitter.com/i/#!/weaksauce12/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com/z1SxJac8

2. I am having focus issues. Sample photo:

https://twitter.com/i/#!/weaksauce12/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com/xy7tFlhi

3. Autofocus is faster.

4. Stupidly light. Feels like an Ikea prop. This is a big departure from the 4S, which always felt heavy to me.

5. The new lightning connector must be made out of unobtanium from Avatar. I can't bend it. It's not a weak connector. I really like the fact that it goes in both ways, and that it has a nice push-to-click to let you know that it's in. And also that you don't have to squeeze the sides to pull out it. Kind of wish it was magnetic like the laptop connectors though, just for added convenience.

6. I do not mind the black bars on the top and bottom of apps that haven't been converted to the new resolution yet. Don't even notice.

7. Video looks more grainy. Haven't imported yet, so I'm not sure if it's the screen or the actual video. Sharpness is better on the lens - I did some side-by-side shooting with my 4S, and while it's still noisy in some circumstances even for stills, the 5 produces a noticeably sharper picture.

8. Battery life seems good so far. Lasted all evening on half a charge.

9. Having really bad 4G/3G reception issues. Getting the "o" symbol that it can't connect to data all the time. I tooled around Hartford county last night and got LTE in a lot of places, but if I tried to use it, a lot of times it'd drop to 3G and then to "o" (no data reception). Not sure if it's just because everyone on the planet is activating a new phone or what. I used to get great 3G reception on my 4S. Network may have just been overloaded last night, but it's not super crowded around here so I dunno.

10. I am getting hand cramps from the new size. For real.

11. Screen is brighter. Slightly more vivid than the 4S.

12. I like the overall look of the design of the taller phone. It feels a bit more up to par with the new Droids coming out - the tallness.

13. The NAND does not seem any faster, which is unfortunate. I did some photo editing and it burned through applying effects noticeably quicker, but when I went to save, it took the same amount of time (i.e. forever).

14. 2D mode on the new Maps is kinda hard to read. Haven't used it for navigation yet. 3D in satellite view is a tad slow to load...wait, wait, wait.

15. Low-light is pretty good. Better than the 4S. The grain is easy to hide with an app that does film grain. This ball was really dark in person and came out viewable on the phone:

https://twitter.com/i/#!/weaksauce12/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com/lF5X2iEt

16. A lot of my apps don't work right yet (Camera+ produces banding when taking photos, Filmic Pro seems to have some focus issues, black bars on the top & bottom of apps), so I'll have to wait for things to get updated. Also a significant lack of cases & accessories, as to be expected. Waiting on an extended battery case from Boost, Gomite Tripod Mobile, Olloclip lens, HDMI cable, cheap Lightning USB cables, etc.

17. The exposure can be weird. I chased my kiddo around outside and snapped some photos - sometimes it'd expose correct and his shirt would be red, and other times it'd get a bit more blown out and become a very light orange, while the majority of the rest of the image would have good colors. Seems far more finicky that way than my 4S.

18. I know it has the same single-channel NAND or whatever, but I'm really bummed it's not USB 3.0. I offload a ton of photos/videos from my phone and really wanted a faster method for data offload. Or if they had added 802.11ac or something. Now that I have the 64GB model, I can shoot 4+ hours of HD at a time, and that will take forever and a day to transfer to my computer lol.

19. When you take a photo using the Camera app, it fills the screen. When you look at the photo, there are extra pixels (more image) on the top & bottom that you didn't see when you took the picture. This annoys me. The screen displays a crop of the final image while you are shooting. So you are not taking the photo you are seeing, you are taking more than the photo you are seeing and will have to crop it later to get that same photo. I don't see an option to put black bars on the sides to get a 1:1 viewfinder. Kind of dumb when you are composing an image and then it doesn't look the same when you preview the shot after capturing it.

20. Honestly, it doesn't feel like a huge upgrade at all. Yeah, it's faster, but not ridiculously faster, and the NAND is still the same for saving edited photos. It's a bit taller, it's a bit lighter, the 4G is a bit faster (I don't really notice a difference from 3G yet, honestly), camera is a little better but has some hiccups so far, etc. Very iterative. I almost wish they had named this the 4S+, lol. I primarily upgraded for the camera and to go from 32gb to 64gb for my photography & video hobby. If the camera issues keep up, I may have to downgrade to the 4S haha. I'll give it a week or two though!

21. Front-facing camera is much clearer, but still super prone to noise. I thought they might have been using the 720p camera from the 4, but it's still wicked grainy at times.

I'm coming from a black 32gb 4S to a black 64gb 5. I mostly use my phone for photos & videos, so the camera is a really big deal for me. I'll be out shooting today with it. I took about 100 photos yesterday, mostly decent but with some mixed results - there seems to be a focus issue, and there seems to be a chromatic flare issue at times, as well as a slightly odd exposure issue. There is still some noise even for pictures with a decent amount of indoor light...I wish they had gone with a slightly faster lens like maybe an f/2.0 or something.
 
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Oyeve

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The only bad thing is that now I've got an iPad 2 and the iPhone 5, which means I need both connectors. That tempts me to upgrade to the next version, which will most likely have the Lightning connector as well. Since I'm stuck on Verizon's shared plan, I might as well get one with mobile connectivity!

Sounds like apple has a plan.
 

Kaido

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So far, the biggest thing I have an issue with is the camera. It's both better and worse than the 4S. And I don't want to make a full judgement until I've spent a few days shooting with it, but so far I'm not real happy.

#1 - I am getting a LOT of purple flare - I may have a dud on my hands, since I haven't seen anyone else posting about this issue. Daytime/nighttime, photo/video mode. Also the iPhone LCD is more purple than my computer screen - WAY more purple, so it looks really bad on the 5's screen. I'm blaming the Sapphire Crystal upgrade, and/or the thinner construction of the lens.

#2 - Seems more grainy, although it could just be the higher resolution of the phone showing more detail.

#3 - Photos seem more smeary when you zoom in to look at them. Almost like it's doing a bit of noise reduction on the grain.

#4 - Autofocus is crap. Focus is crap. It's fast, but it doesn't do a good job. Half the time, I'll tap to focus on something, then hit the capture button, and it will refocus on the background a split second before I snap the picture. Garbage. And it seems to have trouble focusing sometimes, and will spend 2, 3, 4, 5 seconds trying to lock down focus - even in situations with really good light. And even stuff that looks in focus ends up not in focus when I look at the picture after taking it. Doesn't make much sense.

#5 - Really easy to blow out, high-key style. Sucks out the colors too.

#6 - Lens flare is interesting. They've managed to reduce the JJ Abrams effect (which I liked & used a lot), but if you manage to nail it just right, you'll not only get a huge lens flare, but you'll get to taste the rainbow as well - I have actual partial rainbows in some of my pictures. I kinda like it, but it's a little overwhelming. You can see the rainbow in the middle:

http://i.imgur.com/ai20Z.jpg

There's some other stuff, but again I'm going to hold off making a full judgement for a few days. Also, as I was typing this, I got some horizontal graphical glitches on my iPhone 5. Not sure if it's a result of hardware or software. Again, may have a slightly defective phone. Or this may be normal, and the camera just has purple haze & flare and the software is to blame for the graphical glitch I just saw.
 

ManBearPig

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What do you mean the connector isnt bendable? Were the other ones bendable? Seemed pretty solid to me, but I think I'm misinterpreting you.
 
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I just checked out the 5 at the Apple store. I generally liked it and will be buying one. A couple of observations:

- Overall, as a piece of industrial design, I think the 4/4S is a nicer object to hold in the hand (though not necessarily to use as a phone, and definitely not to drop!). The 5 has more glass/metal seams on the back, each of which is just slightly imperfect.

- Most of the black display units already had small dings where the black anodizing was worn away and looked ugly. I am a careful no-case user (my 4 looks virtually new after well over 2 years of constant use) but this wear seems inevitable because Al is a fairly soft material. I will be getting a white phone for this reason. If they sold a phone with all the metal parts(or at least the outer rim) silver and the glass parts black, I would probably get that.

- The phone is certainly much faster than mine, but I would expect it to be after 2 years.

- I guess I will like the extra screen real estate but after more than 4 years of iPhone usage the form factor feels a little weird to me.

In any case I will be ordering a 5 on Monday and look forward to using it.
 
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ManBearPig

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My black has one super incredibly tiny speck inside the little lightning port (which i didnt think was aluminum, so, weird, but it may be on the edge where the two parts meet) that i noticed. I hope this doesnt become a problem or resale is gonna be a bitch. I for one will return/exchange if i get screwed with this.
 

ViRGE

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Oct 9, 1999
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So far, the biggest thing I have an issue with is the camera. It's both better and worse than the 4S. And I don't want to make a full judgement until I've spent a few days shooting with it, but so far I'm not real happy.
I'm thinking you're right, you have a bad phone. Though I can't make 4S comparisons, I'm not seeing any of the obvious camera issues that you are. So far everything is turning out great on my 5's camera.
 

Kev

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Dec 17, 2001
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My impressions so far, after spending an evening with the iPhone 5: (I'll be critical here)

1. I am getting a weird chromatic aberration in my photos. It's more of a chromatic flare. It's not all the time, and it's not at all angles, but a handful of my photos have it. Happens in both daylight and at nighttime. Sample photo, look at the lower right:

https://twitter.com/i/#!/weaksauce12/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com/z1SxJac8

2. I am having focus issues. Sample photo:

https://twitter.com/i/#!/weaksauce12/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com/xy7tFlhi

3. Autofocus is faster.

4. Stupidly light. Feels like an Ikea prop. This is a big departure from the 4S, which always felt heavy to me.

5. The new lightning connector must be made out of unobtanium from Avatar. I can't bend it. It's not a weak connector. I really like the fact that it goes in both ways, and that it has a nice push-to-click to let you know that it's in. And also that you don't have to squeeze the sides to pull out it. Kind of wish it was magnetic like the laptop connectors though, just for added convenience.

6. I do not mind the black bars on the top and bottom of apps that haven't been converted to the new resolution yet. Don't even notice.

7. Video looks more grainy. Haven't imported yet, so I'm not sure if it's the screen or the actual video. Sharpness is better on the lens - I did some side-by-side shooting with my 4S, and while it's still noisy in some circumstances even for stills, the 5 produces a noticeably sharper picture.

8. Battery life seems good so far. Lasted all evening on half a charge.

9. Having really bad 4G/3G reception issues. Getting the "o" symbol that it can't connect to data all the time. I tooled around Hartford county last night and got LTE in a lot of places, but if I tried to use it, a lot of times it'd drop to 3G and then to "o" (no data reception). Not sure if it's just because everyone on the planet is activating a new phone or what. I used to get great 3G reception on my 4S. Network may have just been overloaded last night, but it's not super crowded around here so I dunno.

10. I am getting hand cramps from the new size. For real.

11. Screen is brighter. Slightly more vivid than the 4S.

12. I like the overall look of the design of the taller phone. It feels a bit more up to par with the new Droids coming out - the tallness.

13. The NAND does not seem any faster, which is unfortunate. I did some photo editing and it burned through applying effects noticeably quicker, but when I went to save, it took the same amount of time (i.e. forever).

14. 2D mode on the new Maps is kinda hard to read. Haven't used it for navigation yet. 3D in satellite view is a tad slow to load...wait, wait, wait.

15. Low-light is pretty good. Better than the 4S. The grain is easy to hide with an app that does film grain. This ball was really dark in person and came out viewable on the phone:

https://twitter.com/i/#!/weaksauce12/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com/lF5X2iEt

16. A lot of my apps don't work right yet (Camera+ produces banding when taking photos, Filmic Pro seems to have some focus issues, black bars on the top & bottom of apps), so I'll have to wait for things to get updated. Also a significant lack of cases & accessories, as to be expected. Waiting on an extended battery case from Boost, Gomite Tripod Mobile, Olloclip lens, HDMI cable, cheap Lightning USB cables, etc.

17. The exposure can be weird. I chased my kiddo around outside and snapped some photos - sometimes it'd expose correct and his shirt would be red, and other times it'd get a bit more blown out and become a very light orange, while the majority of the rest of the image would have good colors. Seems far more finicky that way than my 4S.

18. I know it has the same single-channel NAND or whatever, but I'm really bummed it's not USB 3.0. I offload a ton of photos/videos from my phone and really wanted a faster method for data offload. Or if they had added 802.11ac or something. Now that I have the 64GB model, I can shoot 4+ hours of HD at a time, and that will take forever and a day to transfer to my computer lol.

19. When you take a photo using the Camera app, it fills the screen. When you look at the photo, there are extra pixels (more image) on the top & bottom that you didn't see when you took the picture. This annoys me. The screen displays a crop of the final image while you are shooting. So you are not taking the photo you are seeing, you are taking more than the photo you are seeing and will have to crop it later to get that same photo. I don't see an option to put black bars on the sides to get a 1:1 viewfinder. Kind of dumb when you are composing an image and then it doesn't look the same when you preview the shot after capturing it.

20. Honestly, it doesn't feel like a huge upgrade at all. Yeah, it's faster, but not ridiculously faster, and the NAND is still the same for saving edited photos. It's a bit taller, it's a bit lighter, the 4G is a bit faster (I don't really notice a difference from 3G yet, honestly), camera is a little better but has some hiccups so far, etc. Very iterative. I almost wish they had named this the 4S+, lol. I primarily upgraded for the camera and to go from 32gb to 64gb for my photography & video hobby. If the camera issues keep up, I may have to downgrade to the 4S haha. I'll give it a week or two though!

21. Front-facing camera is much clearer, but still super prone to noise. I thought they might have been using the 720p camera from the 4, but it's still wicked grainy at times.

I'm coming from a black 32gb 4S to a black 64gb 5. I mostly use my phone for photos & videos, so the camera is a really big deal for me. I'll be out shooting today with it. I took about 100 photos yesterday, mostly decent but with some mixed results - there seems to be a focus issue, and there seems to be a chromatic flare issue at times, as well as a slightly odd exposure issue. There is still some noise even for pictures with a decent amount of indoor light...I wish they had gone with a slightly faster lens like maybe an f/2.0 or something.

seems like you need to buy a real camera dude
 

Aikouka

Lifer
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I haven't used the camera yet, but I'll have to give it a shot.

I'm wondering if my weird data issues might be a problem with the phone or just an issue with Verizon's network. The data is definitely fast, but sometimes it just takes forever to start retrieving data. Maybe it's something that's always been there, but I never noticed it on the other phones? Not sure.

Sounds like apple has a plan.

I love it when a good plan comes together!

I do want to upgrade my iPad anyway. I'd really prefer to double the RAM in it (the iPad 3 already did that), but the iPad 3 isn't a good upgrade for me given it uses the old dock connector.
 

Kaido

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What do you mean the connector isnt bendable? Were the other ones bendable? Seemed pretty solid to me, but I think I'm misinterpreting you.

It's a tiny connector. I primarily support Blackberries and Androids at work - I see broken Mini/Micro-USB connectors all the time. I was worried that the Lightning connector would be prone to breaking due to it's small size. However, it is extremely strong and doesn't seem like it would break very easily at all.
 

Kaido

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I'm thinking you're right, you have a bad phone. Though I can't make 4S comparisons, I'm not seeing any of the obvious camera issues that you are. So far everything is turning out great on my 5's camera.

Yeah, I'm going to see about a replacement. I think I just have a dud - I don't see any other complaints about purple haze from indirect light sources. Ah well, I went through the 1, 3, 3GS, and 4S without a problem, had to happen sometime :biggrin:
 

Kaido

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seems like you need to buy a real camera dude

I have a "real" camera, but I use my iPhone a lot more because it's very convenient and takes great pictures. Plus the on-camera editing feature is very nice. I've shot 20k+ photos with my 4S, so the camera is a big deal to me.

Plus, the iPhone is a viable camera. I'm pretty happy with the results. Here's some shots I took on my iPhone 5 today:

http://i.imgur.com/8RGXn.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qi6cU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tYJyS.jpg
 

Aikouka

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Wow, those are some nice photos!

Hearing a lot about the anodizing coming off makes me want to find a case that covers things a little bit better. For some reason, all camera openings show some of the aluminum plate for no real reason. I've seen just about every case doing that.
 

Kaido

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Wow, those are some nice photos!

Hearing a lot about the anodizing coming off makes me want to find a case that covers things a little bit better. For some reason, all camera openings show some of the aluminum plate for no real reason. I've seen just about every case doing that.

Thanks! It does seem sharper than the 4S, and seems to have a bit better color saturation. Editing is wicked fast in Camera+, PhotoFX, etc., but I'm still stuck in the slow lane with the onboard storage - saving still takes forever! Hopefully the 5S will be faster :biggrin:

As far as cases go, I'm waiting for a battery case. I had a Boost case on my 4S, which worked out pretty well. Protection + better battery life. So far I'm not noticing any big drains on the 5 - it's about the same as the 4S, despite the 4G and bigger screen, which is nice.
 

ViRGE

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Well that was weird. Somehow my notification sounds got tied to the application volume rather than to the ringer volume, which meant they were all far too quiet. A reboot fixed the issue, but I have no idea how that happened.
 

OnePingOnly

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Anyone affected by scuffgate? Even my white iPhone 5 is affected (only in 1 spot, so not that bad)

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1445493

My black has one super incredibly tiny speck inside the little lightning port (which i didnt think was aluminum, so, weird, but it may be on the edge where the two parts meet) that i noticed. I hope this doesnt become a problem or resale is gonna be a bitch. I for one will return/exchange if i get screwed with this.

Noticed a 0.5mm scuff near the headphone jack on my wife's black 16gb unit. Will be exchanging it down the road.
 

Aikouka

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Hmm I recall people stating that they were seeing great battery life. I'm curious what sort of numbers you're seeing? I'm seeing the usual first week or two of high battery consumption.
 

MotionMan

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Hmm I recall people stating that they were seeing great battery life. I'm curious what sort of numbers you're seeing? I'm seeing the usual first week or two of high battery consumption.

I am suffering from an unexplained battery drain. But, I suspect this will resolve shortly as it has done in the past.

MotionMan
 

ManBearPig

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No battery problems here, i think im getting pretty sweet battery life. Anyone know where to get inexpensive screen protectors?
 

Aikouka

Lifer
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No battery problems here, i think im getting pretty sweet battery life. Anyone know where to get inexpensive screen protectors?

What's your definition of sweet battery life? I mean... I was only down to 83% tonight, but I believe that my 4S would have only been to around 90% given the same workload. I saw its life drop gradually as it sat idle for a good portion of this afternoon.

Although, I kind of expect that sort of performance out of a new device with a Li-Ion battery.
 

rsutoratosu

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On sat, first day of use, 9am till 12am, down to 63%.. i hope a few more cycle charge will yield better.. then again, my 4s wasn't any better during the time. I was in 3g/4g coverage on att, not lte.. so that might play a factor
 

BD2003

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Man, this LTE is way, way faster. I measured 40/30....that's pushing up against my mid tier wired connection.
 
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