The Official Kaveri Review Thread (A10-7850K, etc)

[monstercameron]

got my a10 today after much delay, now my motherboard wont play,GOD is newegg g*y.

 

[Abwx]

got my a10 today after much delay, now my motherboard wont play,GOD is newegg g*y.

Would be nice to have power numbers with a typical build
rather than the statistics we got from reviews using , well,
1250W PSU at Anand while TR used an innefficient 750W
PSU to test a 65/45W device....

 

[monstercameron]

Would be nice to have power numbers with a typical build
rather than the statistics we got from reviews using , well,
1250W PSU at Anand while TR used an innefficient 750W
PSU to test a 65/45W device....

well I have to go find another board and finally pickup a killawatt, im just so pissed at gigabyte and newegg for shipping a board that wont work because of an older bios.

 

[Abwx]

well I have to go find another board and finally pickup a killawatt, im just so pissed at gigabyte and newegg for shipping a board that wont work because of an older bios.

Hardware.fr plugged their Kaveri on a MB that was previously running
a Richland and it wasnt readily updated to see the outcome, actualy
the chip worked without bios update , the bios was dated october 2013,
so no FM2 APU was required to flash the bios...

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/913-5/cpu-protocole-ddr3-2400.html

 

[garagisti]

well I have to go find another board and finally pickup a killawatt, im just so pissed at gigabyte and newegg for shipping a board that wont work because of an older bios.

Which gigabyte board? sniper or ud4?

 

[AtenRa]

So what? It's not making up for the loss of sales of other CPU product lines.

Not yet.

 

[monstercameron]

Which gigabyte board? sniper or ud4?

im cheap
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128652

 

[CHADBOGA]

Not yet.

Not ever.

 

[AtenRa]

Not ever.

We have a full year to find out

 

[Dresdenboy]

HD7790 $115
G3220 $70
H81 $48
8GB 1333 $70
=$303

A10-7770K $170
A75 FM2+ $60
2x4 2133 $85
=315

im not saying A8-7600 its not gona sell, its a nice APU, but a Celeron for 42-52 + a R7 250 or 240 gona be cheaper.

Haswell Celeron $55
R7 240 is at $70
H81 $50

We are talking about $175 for a cpu+mb+dgpu, if the 7600 cost $120 we are talking about just 55 for the FM2+ mb, that they MAY get, but what about memory? the best case escenario will put the celeron + 240 at the same price of the 7600... yeah TDP its diferent but no one cares about that on desktop, the cases are the same, the PSU are the same...

BTW, a R7 250 cost $90. And dont forget OEM pay less for the things, is a safe bet the dgpu for them are cheaper.

OEMs also pay less for iGPU and save some money by not having to handle a gfx card.

BTW, by how much would that memory config cripple the G3220's performance?

And TDP is a difficult topic since some people say, it's not important while others say, Intel is better because of this (which gets nullified with a dGPU).

 

[Yuriman]

OEMs also pay less for iGPU and save some money by not having to handle a gfx card.

BTW, by how much would that memory config cripple the G3220's performance?

And TDP is a difficult topic since some people say, it's not important while others say, Intel is better because of this (which gets nullified with a dGPU).

Basically not at all.

 

[el etro]

Would be nice to have power numbers with a typical build
rather than the statistics we got from reviews using , well,
1250W PSU at Anand while TR used an innefficient 750W
PSU to test a 65/45W device....

If you use under 200w DC on a 1250W PSU, you are staying under 20% of the PSU capacity. PSU max efficiency shows at 50% capacity and around.

 

[Phynaz]

Not yet.

It's been years. When will APU sales make up for lost CPU sales?

 

[AtenRa]

It's been years. When will APU sales make up for lost CPU sales?

Sorry but more than 75% of AMD CPU sales are APUs. I believe you wanted to ask when high end APUs will make up for the entry level loses. I believe that will come within the next two or three quarters and Computing solutions will be profitable for 2014.

 

[mrmt]

It's been years. When will APU sales make up for lost CPU sales?

APU was never intended to become a high end product, it's the fanboys that are touting is as a top product now that the FX line is dead. The APU idea was to leverage in AMD presence in the bottom and mainstream markets and add a beefier GPU, and charge more for that.

The plan backfired big time, because the GPU became bandwidth starved, the market didn't pay a price premium for the beefier iGPU, Bulldozer is crap and the world changed to mobile and power efficiency, which don't make a good match to Globalfoundries and clock speed uber alles architecture.

In the end AMD ended up with a product with a worse cost structure than the previous line up, so even if they could make up for lost revenues, they wouldn't for FCF because of the worse cost structure.

 

[Abwx]

It's been years. When will APU sales make up for lost CPU sales?

When sites dubbed serious will stop spreading viral marketing,
and innacuracies , like in this quote :

As a comparison point, one core in Haswell has the same floating point performance per cycle as two modules (or four cores) in Steamroller

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7711/...f-kaveri-and-other-recent-amd-and-intel-chips

 

[Fjodor2001]

Does anybody have any idea why AMD will not be releasing the mobile versions of Kaveri until Q2/Q3? Intel will be doing just the opposite with Broadwell, and release mobile CPUs before desktop CPUs... :hmm:

 

[monstercameron]

maybe AMD are having yield issues for mobile skus?

 

[Abwx]

Production started on late october/early november , surely
that they are quietly binning enough chips for a hard launch.

 

[Fjodor2001]

maybe AMD are having yield issues for mobile skus?

Hmm... why would it be harder to get sufficient yield on mobile vs desktop APUs?

 

[sefsefsefsef]

Hmm... why would it be harder to get sufficient yield on mobile vs desktop APUs?

Is this a serious question? Mobile chips have to run at lower voltage, so they will always have lower yield than desktop CPUs. Desktop CPUs are would-be mobile chips that failed validation. This is why mobile chips are much more expensive than their desktop counterparts, even if they run at only half the frequency.

 

[monstercameron]

Hmm... why would it be harder to get sufficient yield on mobile vs desktop APUs?

relatively new manu process, very dense chip are my guesses, as for broadwell, remember that there will be a haswell refresh on the desktop, so this probably pushed back broadwell desktop launch. As for why? IDK.

heck maybe the mobile chip will have quad channel. still so hopeful.

 

[Abwx]

Hmm... why would it be harder to get sufficient yield on mobile vs desktop APUs?

Process variability , on DT you can always increase supply
voltage to reach a target frequency but on mobile it s the
reverse , low supply voltage is the desirable parameter.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Process variability , on DT you can always increase supply
voltage to reach a target frequency but on mobile it s the
reverse , low supply voltage is the desirable parameter.

Then why are Intel releasing them in opposite order for Broadwell? Mobile first, then desktop.

 

[AtenRa]

Does anybody have any idea why AMD will not be releasing the mobile versions of Kaveri until Q2/Q3? Intel will be doing just the opposite with Broadwell, and release mobile CPUs before desktop CPUs... :hmm:

AMD said they wanted developers to immediately start coding on the desktop Kaveri first because it will be easier to get hold of one in order to use for development.

If they would release the Mobile first, it would take more than 3-4 months for the first Laptops to be retail released and the cost to obtain one would be higher than just a desktop APU + Motherboard(assuming everyone has some spare parts available such as Memory, PSU etc)